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Nehemiah6

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Coronavirus is a plague sent by the Lord...
Not really. This strain of flu was created in a laboratory in Wuhan, China.

EXCLUSIVE: There is increasing confidence that the COVID-19 outbreak likely originated in a Wuhan laboratory, though not as a bioweapon but as part of China's attempt to demonstrate that its efforts to identify and combat viruses are equal to or greater than the capabilities of the United States, multiple sources who have been briefed on the details of early actions by China's government and seen relevant materials tell Fox News.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources

While this report says "though not as a bio-weapon" it should be clear that for all intents and purposes this was an EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE bio-weapon. The Chinese must be delighted that Western economies are in shambles, and the Western "barbarians" have become captive to (1) lock downs, (2) social distancing, (3) masking and (4) total deception about all matters relating to this pandemic.

Add to that the fact that the West became totally dependent on China for pharmaceuticals, vaccines, and medical equipment, so the Chinese Communist government must be laughing at this time (since they even sent faulty masks and equipment while they received all the good stuff from the West).

Now they are anticipating that the Communists and Marxists in America will take control of the country in the next election, through the so-called Democrats. So the American *useful idiots* (including the media) are working on behalf of China, and China does not even have to send their soldiers to finish the job. Therefore they are concentrating on the Sino-Indian border.
 

John146

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Matthew 24 seems to discuss a few different events marked by certain events.

Matthew 24:4-14 notes the beginning of birth pains. Marked by closure when the gospel is preached to all nations in verse 14.

Matthew 24:15-25 marks the great tribulation, with the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place.

Matthew 24:26-31 marks the return of the Son of Man and the rapture.

Where in the timeline do you place us?
The Church is not in Matthew 24...
 
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Not really. This strain of flu was created in a laboratory in Wuhan, China.

EXCLUSIVE: There is increasing confidence that the COVID-19 outbreak likely originated in a Wuhan laboratory, though not as a bioweapon but as part of China's attempt to demonstrate that its efforts to identify and combat viruses are equal to or greater than the capabilities of the United States, multiple sources who have been briefed on the details of early actions by China's government and seen relevant materials tell Fox News.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources

While this report says "though not as a bio-weapon" it should be clear that for all intents and purposes this was an EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE bio-weapon. The Chinese must be delighted that Western economies are in shambles, and the Western "barbarians" have become captive to (1) lock downs, (2) social distancing, (3) masking and (4) total deception about all matters relating to this pandemic.

Add to that the fact that the West became totally dependent on China for pharmaceuticals, vaccines, and medical equipment, so the Chinese Communist government must be laughing at this time (since they even sent faulty masks and equipment while they received all the good stuff from the West).

Now they are anticipating that the Communists and Marxists in America will take control of the country in the next election, through the so-called Democrats. So the American *useful idiots* (including the media) are working on behalf of China, and China does not even have to send their soldiers to finish the job. Therefore they are concentrating on the Sino-Indian border.


Let's for a moment entertain the idea this was created. The fact that it has evolved multiple ways, and now has split off into another form (Italian) proves this is above the intelligence of biochemist. We have been able to identify things evolving from 1 bird Species into multiple Species of a Robin, but we have yet to be able to produce something that evolves in the mutated ways Covid has. First it attacked the Respiratory System, then later it began creating blood clots, now the split off is attacking smokers. When your Theory (Evolution) is false to begin with, it's even more difficult to think you could create a weapon that evolves. Even the flu does not evolve. It literally is separate strands of the base.
 

posthuman

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In Matt. 24:22 we are told of the last days plagues: “but those days will be limited, because of the elect”.

speaking of a flight (v.20) we should pray is not in winter, and tribulation such as has never been or ever will be again (v.21) no flesh would be spared unless those days were shortened/limited "
for the elect's sake"

not sure that the current respiratory virus is the interpretation of Matthew 24.
 
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Let's for a moment entertain the idea this was created. The fact that it has evolved multiple ways, and now has split off into another form (Italian) proves this is above the intelligence of biochemist. We have been able to identify things evolving from 1 bird Species into multiple Species of a Robin, but we have yet to be able to produce something that evolves in the mutated ways Covid has. First it attacked the Respiratory System, then later it began creating blood clots, now the split off is attacking smokers. When your Theory (Evolution) is false to begin with, it's even more difficult to think you could create a weapon that evolves. Even the flu does not evolve. It literally is separate strands of the base.

How the virus attacks the body differently for different people is not well known, however it is known that everyone's body is distinct and everyone has individual factors at play,

.....typically viruses are very good are at finding weak host cells in the body.
 
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How the virus attacks the body differently for different people is not well known, however it is known that everyone's body is distinct and everyone has individual factors at play,

.....typically viruses are very good are at finding weak host cells in the body.

Cannot argue with that logic (y)
 
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How the virus attacks the body differently for different people is not well known, however it is known that everyone's body is distinct and everyone has individual factors at play,

.....typically viruses are very good are at finding weak host cells in the body.
Thank you for being a voice of reason.
 

Nehemiah6

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When your Theory (Evolution) is false to begin with, it's even more difficult to think you could create a weapon that evolves.
I don't believe in evolution. All I needed to say is that the Wuhan virus was created in a laboratory, and many sources have concurred. We should also keep in mind that information coming out of China is generally disinformation or propaganda. The Chinese government floated the idea that the virus came from the wet markets, while they destroyed the lab evidence, and attacked the whistleblowers.
 

Blik

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This is one example but there are others https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+16&version=KJV of who the wrath and plagues ect. are poured out on (those who have the mark,worship the image ect.)...

Seeing you see that the corona-virus is the plague/wrath being poured out on the earth at present then it would be impossible unless the beast that was, was not yet is has ascended out of the pit and his mark is here now and people are worshiping the image and buying and selling with his mark and have been for some time. Who is the beast,what is his mark,name ect.?
I don't think any human can tell what time the Lord will give us the "end times". but we can know God is in control and we are again living through a plague. We can look at what scripture tells us of plagues to know how to respond to this one.

The Black Death was a plague. The Jews weren't as affected by this plague as the gentiles because they washed their hands in obedience to God's command before eating.

When the majority of people are disobedient to the Lord, the righteous through Christ who live among them must suffer the same as the disobedient unless there is sufficient numbers of God's children. Then the disobedient are saved from the plague along with the obedient.

We can know these things, but it is not in our power to know God's timing.
 
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I don't believe in evolution. All I needed to say is that the Wuhan virus was created in a laboratory, and many sources have concurred. We should also keep in mind that information coming out of China is generally disinformation or propaganda. The Chinese government floated the idea that the virus came from the wet markets, while they destroyed the lab evidence, and attacked the whistleblowers.
Not wanting to open up a can of worms but... (POP... too late.. worms all over the place).. Your resource was a credible link and following the trails to the sources you will learn that there is NO evidence that the virus was CREATED in the lab but rather that it was a natural occurring virus (possible from bats in the lab) and it infected a worker who then unknowingly spread it in the public. This is what the credible evidence in question shows. The fact that all the experts on viruses who have analyzed it from the beginning and even since this lab worker information was revealed have said that it is NOT man made but natural (and if you care to read about the complicated details, there are ways they can tell) also proves that the CONSENSUS is that it was NOT bioengineered. That is the information that I read. I have not read any information about it being suspected as biogengineered from any source. I do not count people wagging their tongues indiscriminately as reliable sources. :)
 

Blik

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Not really. This strain of flu was created in a laboratory in Wuhan, China.


Now they are anticipating that the Communists and Marxists in America will take control of the country in the next election, through the so-called Democrats. So the American *useful idiots* (including the media) are working on behalf of China, and China does not even have to send their soldiers to finish the job. Therefore they are concentrating on the Sino-Indian border.
I don't think that knowing where or how it started is any indication that the Lord is not in control of our world. God uses any human to carry out His will, God even used Nebuchadnezzar to send the Jews in exile.
 

Blik

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Believers in Christ are God's elect.
The Jews believe in a Messiah, but that Christ was not the Messiah. The Lord made them promises because he used them for our sake, and we are told not to be against them. For our sake, also, God has blinded them. Do you think God took back His promises to them?
 

posthuman

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Matthew 24 seems to discuss a few different events marked by certain events.
yes, because He's answering 3 specific questions the disciples asked ((v.3)) with 3 different answers.
  1. when will these things be? ((not one stone left on another))
  2. what will be the sign of Your coming?
  3. what will be the sign of the end of the age?

He answers all 3 but He doesn't answer in the order the questions were asked ;)
 
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as a person set aside by God, and what he has done for me, I can safely say, get your eyes off the world and look to him exclusevily. The world was always temporary and its days are numbered. Forget it, its over. So never mind the virus hoax, and start encouraging people to turn away from the world and prosperity, and start travelling north towards the mighty throne of Jesus Christ and God. Go buy a large bag of popcorn, find a comfortable place to watch, and enjoy the show.
 

posthuman

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The bible says, that Jesus healed ALL who were sick. So, why would He send a plague?
wow! crazy.
have you not read Exodus?

or is there so much red-letter Jimmy-Swaggart commentary in that book that you didn't notice the actual scripture in it?

God sends plagues.
the fact that Christ healed doesn't mean He didn't wither the fig tree.
 

posthuman

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No offense, but shouldn't a pandemic result in at least a 50% ratio between those who unfortunately contract Covid to those who die from it? Worldwide, it's about a 2% ratio. Hard to believe this is a pandemic, let alone a plague from God. I do believe if this evolved Italian Version makes its visit worldwide there will be more deaths. Italy is known for its smokers. And the Wuhan Covid was proven the nicotine in daily smokers kept the Wuhan version from being able set up house and mutate. But the Italian Version seems like smokers are getting it this round. Time will tell.
i think of the word "pandemic" as having to do with transmittability and infection rate, not resulting mortality rate. maybe i'm wrong
 

posthuman

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Who is the beast,what is his mark,name ect.?
Judas Iscariot?

why did John marvel. did he recognize the beast or have no idea who he was looking at. why does Judas "go to his own place" - something not said of anyone else in the scripture?