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Someone sent me this just today...
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We teach in our churches that everything is under God's control, and thereby everything is proceeding as divinely planned, and that somehow it all fits together. This concept did not attain the status of a universal explanation for evil until years after a man was born on the planet who was called Augustine. It's indeed historically true that what has constituted the most frequent explanation in the church and in western culture for why people suffer is due to the fact that a man was born on the planet called Augustine.
Someone sent me this just today...
Someone sent me this just today...
We teach in our churches that everything is under God's control, and thereby everything is proceeding as divinely planned, and that somehow it all fits together. This concept did not attain the status of a universal explanation for evil until years after a man was born on the planet who was called Augustine. It's indeed historically true that what has constituted the most frequent explanation in the church and in western culture for why people suffer is due to the fact that a man was born on the planet called Augustine.
Peter, it sounds like you want to have an intellectual discussion about church history - @dcontroversal is very knowledgeable about church history, perhaps he will discuss Augustine with you.
Me - well I just love God and enjoy talking about our Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ the Son and God's Holy Spirit and the scriptures but, NOT church history.
My only thoughts regarding "RELIGION" - ALL denominations are FLAWED, even Non-Denominational yet, attending church and fellowship with other believers is great - just filter ALL of man's teachings through the Holy Spirit and Word of God!
Also, God is in control is NOT a "concept" - it is fact.
Even the fact that He protects our freedom to choose, is His control - He is not controlling our decisions but God is protecting our free will to make decisions, however, the outcome of our decisions are always up to God.
We ONLY have free will because God chose to give us free will. God is definitely in control and I am comforted that God is in control - I need not be afraid or worried.
Me - well I just love God and enjoy talking about our Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ the Son and God's Holy Spirit and the scriptures but, NOT church history.
My only thoughts regarding "RELIGION" - ALL denominations are FLAWED, even Non-Denominational yet, attending church and fellowship with other believers is great - just filter ALL of man's teachings through the Holy Spirit and Word of God!
Also, God is in control is NOT a "concept" - it is fact.
Even the fact that He protects our freedom to choose, is His control - He is not controlling our decisions but God is protecting our free will to make decisions, however, the outcome of our decisions are always up to God.
We ONLY have free will because God chose to give us free will. God is definitely in control and I am comforted that God is in control - I need not be afraid or worried.
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Peter, it sounds like you want to have an intellectual discussion about church history - @dcontroversal is very knowledgeable about church history, perhaps he will discuss Augustine with you.
Me - well I just love God and enjoy talking about our Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ the Son and God's Holy Spirit and the scriptures but, NOT church history.
My only thoughts regarding "RELIGION" - ALL denominations are FLAWED, even Non-Denominational yet, attending church and fellowship with other believers is great - just filter ALL of man's teachings through the Holy Spirit and Word of God!
Also, God is in control is NOT a "concept" - it is fact.
Even the fact that He protects our freedom to choose, is His control - He is not controlling our decisions but God is protecting our free will to make decisions, however, the outcome of our decisions are always up to God.
We ONLY have free will because God chose to give us free will. God is definitely in control and I am comforted that God is in control - I need not be afraid or worried.
Me - well I just love God and enjoy talking about our Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ the Son and God's Holy Spirit and the scriptures but, NOT church history.
My only thoughts regarding "RELIGION" - ALL denominations are FLAWED, even Non-Denominational yet, attending church and fellowship with other believers is great - just filter ALL of man's teachings through the Holy Spirit and Word of God!
Also, God is in control is NOT a "concept" - it is fact.
Even the fact that He protects our freedom to choose, is His control - He is not controlling our decisions but God is protecting our free will to make decisions, however, the outcome of our decisions are always up to God.
We ONLY have free will because God chose to give us free will. God is definitely in control and I am comforted that God is in control - I need not be afraid or worried.
The answer is: Ancient Greek Mythology and Philosophy.
Peter, it sounds like you want to have an intellectual discussion about church history - @dcontroversal is very knowledgeable about church history, perhaps he will discuss Augustine with you.
Me - well I just love God and enjoy talking about our Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ the Son and God's Holy Spirit and the scriptures but, NOT church history.
My only thoughts regarding "RELIGION" - ALL denominations are FLAWED, even Non-Denominational yet, attending church and fellowship with other believers is great - just filter ALL of man's teachings through the Holy Spirit and Word of God!
Also, God is in control is NOT a "concept" - it is fact.
Even the fact that He protects our freedom to choose, is His control - He is not controlling our decisions but God is protecting our free will to make decisions, however, the outcome of our decisions are always up to God.
We ONLY have free will because God chose to give us free will. God is definitely in control and I am comforted that God is in control - I need not be afraid or worried.
Me - well I just love God and enjoy talking about our Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ the Son and God's Holy Spirit and the scriptures but, NOT church history.
My only thoughts regarding "RELIGION" - ALL denominations are FLAWED, even Non-Denominational yet, attending church and fellowship with other believers is great - just filter ALL of man's teachings through the Holy Spirit and Word of God!
Also, God is in control is NOT a "concept" - it is fact.
Even the fact that He protects our freedom to choose, is His control - He is not controlling our decisions but God is protecting our free will to make decisions, however, the outcome of our decisions are always up to God.
We ONLY have free will because God chose to give us free will. God is definitely in control and I am comforted that God is in control - I need not be afraid or worried.
If what God has foreseen is the entire human history at once, then the difficulty is to somehow allow for God's intervention into that history. This raises a serious problem. Does simple foreknowledge imply that God knows in advance His own decisions and actions? If God possesses foreknowledge of His own actions, then the problem is to explain how the foreknowledge can be the basis for the actions when it already includes the actions.
Would it then be impossible that God should use foreknowledge derived from the actual occurrence of future events to determine His own prior actions in the governance of the world? Such a God would then know what He is going to do before deciding what to do. Thus, He would be unable to plan, anticipate, or decide. He would simply know.
This seems to call the divine freedom into question, making God a prisoner of His own ability to know what's going on everywhere in the universe at every moment. And if God sees history "all at once" and His actions were not foreseen, then God never foresees any prophets making predictions given by Him.
1 John 1:8 -If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Adopted sons of God, parties to the new covenant, are declared righteous based on the ransom sacrifice of Christ and validated by his death. Although their sins are forgiven their fleshly bodies are not perfected and still subject to sins law.
Adopted sons of God, parties to the new covenant, are declared righteous based on the ransom sacrifice of Christ and validated by his death. Although their sins are forgiven their fleshly bodies are not perfected and still subject to sins law.
at the end of the day, you only have two choices to make, you either place all your efforts, values, morals and ethics on the world, or you choose Jesus and his way. That is the only decision you have to make. The rest is pointless. God is in control because this universe is all his, he created it for his joy. He would never cede control to somebody else.
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Peter, philosophy is fun and entertaining thinking for the human mind but, it really cannot compare to the Holy Spirit opening our understanding of the scriptures and even the depths of God's knowledge and understanding of life, creation, science, universe(s), witty inventions, etc.
Consider all that God gave to Daniel........
God's conversation with humans is NOT a sophisticated form of God talking to Himself - God says to us, "Come, let us reason together....."
God does have a dilemma.....
God is Love and the greatest need of Love is "to love and be loved" yet, love CANNOT be created because Love has to have a choice or it is NOT love. God had to create man with the capacity to love but, ONLY if the person chooses to do so.
God has to set up a system (safety net/boundary lines) that can accommodate all of our choices - blessings and curses, death and life, judgment and rewards, recompense and forgiveness, etc.
God is greatly desiring a loving relationship with each of us and He is governing with absolute control yet, He chooses to give us free will because He does NOT want pre-programmed robots, rather God wants us to KNOW Him, to LOVE Him and be loved by Him.
Jesus Christ's Blood and Body reconciled us back to our Father in Heaven and we can now be in fellowship with God through Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit BUT, we have to CHOOSE to do so.
Oh Peter, you're tripping over human reasoning trying to understand God.......you will need the Holy Spirit to understand God. Go and find all the references to the Holy Spirit, Spirit, Holy Ghost in the scriptures and ask God for His Holy Spirit.
God would need to explain to you the element of TIME and His AUTHORITY over TIME and the view from the Heavenly Realm - all that God sees. Trying to understand with our human minds is unattainable. If we try, we're just simply a hamster on a wheel - going nowhere really fast - never coming to the knowledge of the Truth.
There is a scroll in Heaven with 7 Seals that contains the Master Plan of God - The Father is the Architect, The Son is the General Contractor and the Holy Spirit is the Foreman on cite (Earth), the Angels and Believers are the Laborers.
God knows exactly what He has done, is doing and will do - He has written ALL of it down.
You have misunderstood God but, He does reveal Himself and His plans and purposes to those that love Him with all their heart and diligently seek Him personally - not to know about Him but, to know Him.
You cannot use "philosophy" to understand God. You will only understand by the Holy Spirit.
May you encounter Him, know Him and love Him - then, He will share His secrets with you........
Consider all that God gave to Daniel........
God's conversation with humans is NOT a sophisticated form of God talking to Himself - God says to us, "Come, let us reason together....."
God does have a dilemma.....
God is Love and the greatest need of Love is "to love and be loved" yet, love CANNOT be created because Love has to have a choice or it is NOT love. God had to create man with the capacity to love but, ONLY if the person chooses to do so.
God has to set up a system (safety net/boundary lines) that can accommodate all of our choices - blessings and curses, death and life, judgment and rewards, recompense and forgiveness, etc.
God is greatly desiring a loving relationship with each of us and He is governing with absolute control yet, He chooses to give us free will because He does NOT want pre-programmed robots, rather God wants us to KNOW Him, to LOVE Him and be loved by Him.
Jesus Christ's Blood and Body reconciled us back to our Father in Heaven and we can now be in fellowship with God through Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit BUT, we have to CHOOSE to do so.
Oh Peter, you're tripping over human reasoning trying to understand God.......you will need the Holy Spirit to understand God. Go and find all the references to the Holy Spirit, Spirit, Holy Ghost in the scriptures and ask God for His Holy Spirit.
God would need to explain to you the element of TIME and His AUTHORITY over TIME and the view from the Heavenly Realm - all that God sees. Trying to understand with our human minds is unattainable. If we try, we're just simply a hamster on a wheel - going nowhere really fast - never coming to the knowledge of the Truth.
There is a scroll in Heaven with 7 Seals that contains the Master Plan of God - The Father is the Architect, The Son is the General Contractor and the Holy Spirit is the Foreman on cite (Earth), the Angels and Believers are the Laborers.
God knows exactly what He has done, is doing and will do - He has written ALL of it down.
You have misunderstood God but, He does reveal Himself and His plans and purposes to those that love Him with all their heart and diligently seek Him personally - not to know about Him but, to know Him.
You cannot use "philosophy" to understand God. You will only understand by the Holy Spirit.
May you encounter Him, know Him and love Him - then, He will share His secrets with you........
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God is a God of perfect justice, true. Absolute justice is not perfect justice, though. Perfect justice takes ino consideration the abilities of the offender and the scale of the offense. Human justice, imperfect as it is, does not institute the death penalty for stealing a candy bar because the punishment doesn't fit the crime. We also don't punish as severely those who are incompetent for whatever reason. Yet when such things are accused of God we're suddenly supposed to pretend that God's justice is unlike man's justice not only in degree, but also in kind. The law and the cross demonstrate the perfect justice of God because they give consciousness of sin and a grounds for judgment that is equal and understandable. The issue with the penalty of sin is that it was absolute, falling on the righteous and the wicked alike. Yet God proved His perfect justice when the one man who was unjustly taken in death instead swallowed death up in Himself.
I would suggest to be careful how we hear or say we do.
David inspired by God and not the devil revealed if the foundations of the Lord is destroyed what could the believer do.
They would have no witness.
Blasphemy is attributing the works of God to the devil . Terrible ungodly video.
The person in the video as the the main issue said ; God did not put his rules in place. Making the word of God without effect. That completely destroys the "law of faith"
If God did not put his rules in place ?Then who did ?. Did the devil write the Bible?
On the last day death according to the letter of the law (the rules God put in place and not the devil ). It will be cast into the judgement fire of God never to rise and condemn through corruption a entire creation to suffer the consequences of hell for violating the rule God. . . Not rules the devil put in place .
The devil has no voice of his own. It was not the finger of the father of lies wrote wrote in stone the words coming form his mind . in the new heavens and earth the former things (the book of the law) will not be remembered or ever come to mid .
We lift up Christ who dwells in these earthen bodies of death . why offer you body to the one who has no power of its own?
The devil does not have power or over death . The letter of the law does. Its not the devil's letter .
Why give the devil glory? He will vanish when the power he robs from God is taken away
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
David inspired by God and not the devil revealed if the foundations of the Lord is destroyed what could the believer do.
They would have no witness.
Blasphemy is attributing the works of God to the devil . Terrible ungodly video.
The person in the video as the the main issue said ; God did not put his rules in place. Making the word of God without effect. That completely destroys the "law of faith"
If God did not put his rules in place ?Then who did ?. Did the devil write the Bible?
On the last day death according to the letter of the law (the rules God put in place and not the devil ). It will be cast into the judgement fire of God never to rise and condemn through corruption a entire creation to suffer the consequences of hell for violating the rule God. . . Not rules the devil put in place .
The devil has no voice of his own. It was not the finger of the father of lies wrote wrote in stone the words coming form his mind . in the new heavens and earth the former things (the book of the law) will not be remembered or ever come to mid .
We lift up Christ who dwells in these earthen bodies of death . why offer you body to the one who has no power of its own?
The devil does not have power or over death . The letter of the law does. Its not the devil's letter .
Why give the devil glory? He will vanish when the power he robs from God is taken away
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.