THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

[KJV1611]

Does it really matter where the temple was other than for archeological reasons as museum items?

What is the hope in looking at temporal corrupted rudiments of this world ? They tell a story that speak of the unseen. (law of faith). Just as when they were written . We must rightfully divide.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I've never seen coordinates given in the bible for any of the temples. That's just more futurist and Jewish hogwash.

 

[garee]

I've never seen coordinates given in the bible for any of the temples. That's just more futurist and Jewish hogwash.

I would agree. I would think the temporal 40 years "moving temple" a witness to the world was the only.

It ending in the propmised land .Used to signify the real promised eternal land (not seen) where there is no temple. Revelation 21. . And I would not call it Jewish hogwash, but unbelief hogwash, the other manner of spirit. Jews do not make up the whole of mankind, they are used at one time to represent it .

 

[PlainWord]

I've never seen coordinates given in the bible for any of the temples. That's just more futurist and Jewish hogwash.

The only thing important about that temple is it outlived its usefulness when Christ made it obsolete.

 

[VCO]

I've never seen coordinates given in the bible for any of the temples. That's just more futurist and Jewish hogwash.

You really need to read everything I have written. However I will give you the SHORTENED Version.

Here is one of the EARLIEST Videos to show that the so-called Temple Mount was the WRONG location for the location TEMPLE MOUNT.

This video was dated Sep. 26, 2016.

I will post this, and in the next video, I will give you the Evidence that POINTS to the City of David as the True Location of TEMPLE.

 

[KJV1611]

You really need to read everything I have written. However I will give you the SHORTENED Version.

Here is one of the EARLIEST Videos to show that the so-called Temple Mount was the WRONG location for the location TEMPLE MOUNT.

This video was dated Sep. 26, 2016.

I will post this, and in the next video, I will give you the Evidence that POINTS to the City of David as the True Location of TEMPLE.

Where does the bible give the specific location for any of the temples?

 

[VCO]

In the 7th Century, Caliph Umar, invited 70 Rabbi's to come from exile, to Jerusalem to set up a Sanhedrin, and vote on where the TEMPLE should be located. They could not come to an agreement, so the VOTED ON IT, and the more than half voted for the location, that the Dome of the ROCK now sits on.

The Biggest REASON, that site could NEVER BE the CORRECT LOCATION, is there is NOT LEVEL GROUND ON BEDROCK. When David Bought it from Ornan the Jebusite, it was ALREADY an established THRESHING Floor, thus a different LOCATION. And the BEST KIND OF GROUND FOR A THRESHING Floor, with a large FLAT Surface, preferably Bedrock.

I am about 99% sure this is DAVID's Tabernacle to the Right. A Sacrifice Altar, with a blood channel, open at the top, carved into the BEDROCK of a Threshing Floor. It discovered about two years ago, and only a FEW Yards from David's Palace, positively identified.

2 Chronicles 3:1 (ASV)
1 Then Solomon began to build the house of Jehovah at Jerusalem {Ancient Jerusalem was the modern day City of David.} on mount Moriah, where Jehovah appeared unto David his father, which he made ready in the place that David had appointed, in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

This Huge ROCK sticks up inside the Dome of the Rock, proving it never was a Threshing Floor.

So where is the mistake about Mount Moriah ? ? ? The mistake is Mount Moriah was it is the NAME of the RIDGE that runs the Entire length of Ancient Jerusalem (also known as the City of David), and on up past the Dome of the Rock. Therefore the Temple was location on Mount Moriah, and is at the Center Peak, which was the ORIGINAL Mount Zion, (not the Mount Zion that named in the 7th Century.)

So, THAT Fact ALONE makes the Dome of the ROCK the WRONG LOCATION, as it is UNLEVEL Ground. They had to fill it in with Dirt, and cover it with STONES. Solomon's Temple was BUILT on the SAME SITE as David's Tabernacle built on Ornan the Jebusite's Threshing Floor. That was the ORIGINAL MOUNT ZION. The 70 invited Sanhedrin in the 7th Century, also voted on WHERE Mount Zion was Located, and again they chose the WRONG SITE. They chose this HILL, and called it Mount Zion erroneously. WHY?

In 132 A.D. Prince Simon bar Kokhba, after kicking the ROMANS OUT, he order the Raised Plato, know as the Original MOUNT ZION, become a Rock Quarry to LOWER the Original Temple Mount, several meters to ground level, BECAUSE the ROMANS HAD BUILT ON THE ORIGINAL SITE OF SOLOMON'S TEMPLE A TEMPLE TO JUPITER. THAT DEFILED THE BEDROCK TOO, SO SIMON bar KOHKBA, and used it to fill in the road to the South of Jerusalem.

According to rabbinic sources, when the Roman emperor Hadrian vowed to rebuild Jerusalem from the wreckage in AD 130, he considered reconstructing Jerusalem as a gift to the Jewish people. The Jews awaited with hope, but after Hadrian visited Jerusalem, he was discouraged from doing so by a Samaritan.[8] He then decided to rebuild the city as a Roman colony, which would be inhabited by his legionaries.[9] Hadrian's new city was to be dedicated to himself and certain Roman gods, in particular Jupiter.[10] Wikepedia

Aelia Capitolina was a Roman colony, built under Emperor Hadrian on the site of Jewish Jerusalem, which had been almost totally razed after the siege of 70 CE, this being one apparent reason for the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132–136 CE.Wikipedia

. . . the Roman Emperor Hadrian built a pagan temple on the Mount. It was dedicated to the trio of pagan gods and goddesses Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva. Hadrian was a great worshiper of Jupiter, having erected the famous Olympian Jupiter temple in Athens. But he also worshipped himself and required worship from his subjects. On the Temple Mount he honored himself as a god with an equestrian statue. At the same time, a temple of Aphrodite was built over the tomb which Christians venerated as the tomb of Jesus. Hadrian outlawed the study and teaching of the Torah and made it a capital offense to practice Judaism.

At the time that Solomon's Temple was first built, the higher ground to the north was a Potato Field, according to this Tour Guide, Video #1,645. The City was CALLED JERUSALEM, and nick named City of David. Then Temple was in the Northwest Corner of the City of David on top of the OPHEL. At the time of Christ, there was at least to entrance door on the West side of the TEMPLE. That is after Herod had ENHANCED the TEMPLE, and the City had grown across the Central Valley, so 70 settled in the southern part of Jerusalem, NEAR Western GATES, just across the creak to the EAST.

There were supposed to be gates along the WEST SIDE, and that was why the 70 invites to be the Sanhedrin in the 7th Century wanted to be housed on the West Side. Only they never figured out where the LOCATIONS SHOULD BE, and thus it was NEVER REBUILT. And even today they are still CONFUSED. It seems like simple logic to me, but the Jews certainly are confused.

 

[VCO]

Where does the bible give the specific location for any of the temples?

I think I forgot one portion of Scripture. Here are the two verses about where David built his Tabernacle and Solomon built His Temple that leads to the conclusion that it had to be in the Ancient City of Jerusalem, also nick named, the CITY OF DAVID.

1 Chronicles 21:18-26 (ASV)
18 Then the angel of Jehovah commanded Gad {the Prophet of the King} to say to David, that David should go up, and rear an altar unto Jehovah in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of Jehovah.
20 And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons that were with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat.
21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshing-floor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.
22 Then David said to Ornan, Give me the place of this threshing-floor, that I may build thereon an altar unto Jehovah: for the full price shalt thou give it me, that the plague may be stayed from the people.
23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen for burnt-offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meal-offering; I give it all.
24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for Jehovah, nor offer a burnt-offering without cost.
25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.
26 And David built there an altar unto Jehovah, and offered burnt-offerings and peace-offerings, and called upon Jehovah;
and He answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt-offering.


2 Chronicles 3:1 (ASV)
1 Then Solomon began to build the house of Jehovah at Jerusalem {Ancient Jerusalem was the modern day City of David.} on mount Moriah, where Jehovah appeared unto David his father, which he made ready in the place that David had appointed, in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.


Flat level TOP of a HILL or Mount were used as a THRESHING FLOOR, and Solomon built on the SAME LOCATION where GOD answered DAVID by the FIRE upon the ALTAR.

There was NO LEVEL ENOUGH place for a THRESHING FLOOR on the so-called Temple Mount.

 

[VCO]

THRESHING FLOORS:

Most of them are considerably SMALLER then the TEMPLE would be. SO the Threshing Floor of Ornan the Jebusite had to be considerably LARGER.

AND IT MOST LIKELY HAD FLOOR MADE OUT OF BEDROCK, instead of Pieced together Stones.

The TEMPLE meant the THRESHING FLOOR HAD TO BE THIS BIG.

2 Chronicles 3:3 (HCSB)
3 These are Solomon’s foundations for building God’s temple: the length was 90 feet, and the width 30 feet.


Therefore the Threshing Floor had to be 90 feet in diameter, a third of a football field.

 

[VCO]

I've never seen coordinates given in the bible for any of the temples. That's just more futurist and Jewish hogwash.

ESPECIALLY when it comes to HOW GOD SAVES PEOPLE ? ? ?

Many Christians do not KNOW HOW HE SAVES PEOPLE.

MOST JEWS do not KNOW HOW HE SAVES PEOPLE.

Most Christians Do Not Know How HE SAVED PEOPLE OF THE O.T.

IT IS THE EXACT SAME WAY HE SAVES US.


Malachi 3:6 (NASB77)
6 "For I, the LORD, do not change;
therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.


So if we can find ONE individual that was CLEARLY and DECISIVELY SAVED BY GOD,
Then we will know HOW GOD SAVES ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE Definitely SAVED FOR SURE.

Romans 4:3-5 (HCSB)
3 For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.


O.T. SAINTS believe GOD would send a Messiah to pay for our SINS.

N.T. SAINTS believe GOD did send a Messiah to pay for our SINS.


THAT IS THE EXACT SAME FAITH, ALL HAVE, THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM;
NO Matter how to order of Service Differs.

And thus they are SAVED in the SAME WAY WE ARE.

Jews who believe their Works Saved them are SADLY MISTAKEN.
So are Christians disciples who think their WORKS SAVES THEM, ARE ALSO SADLY MISTAKEN.

IT IS BY GRACE YOU ARE SAVED, A FREE GIFT.

 

[KJV1611]

I think I forgot one portion of Scripture. Here are the two verses about where David built his Tabernacle and Solomon built His Temple that leads to the conclusion that it had to be in the Ancient City of Jerusalem, also nick named, the CITY OF DAVID.

1 Chronicles 21:18-26 (ASV)
18 Then the angel of Jehovah commanded Gad {the Prophet of the King} to say to David, that David should go up, and rear an altar unto Jehovah in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of Jehovah.
20 And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons that were with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat.
21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshing-floor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.
22 Then David said to Ornan, Give me the place of this threshing-floor, that I may build thereon an altar unto Jehovah: for the full price shalt thou give it me, that the plague may be stayed from the people.
23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen for burnt-offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meal-offering; I give it all.
24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for Jehovah, nor offer a burnt-offering without cost.
25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.
26 And David built there an altar unto Jehovah, and offered burnt-offerings and peace-offerings, and called upon Jehovah;
and He answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt-offering.


2 Chronicles 3:1 (ASV)
1 Then Solomon began to build the house of Jehovah at Jerusalem {Ancient Jerusalem was the modern day City of David.} on mount Moriah, where Jehovah appeared unto David his father, which he made ready in the place that David had appointed, in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.


Flat level TOP of a HILL or Mount were used as a THRESHING FLOOR, and Solomon built on the SAME LOCATION where GOD answered DAVID by the FIRE upon the ALTAR.

There was NO LEVEL ENOUGH place for a THRESHING FLOOR on the so-called Temple Mount.

Yeah there is no biblical requirement that the temple be built in a specific place, the Jews can and could've built the temple at any time they wanted.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are mixing 70 AD events (2 Thes 2 and Dan 9:27) with 165 BC events (Zech 14). You futurists crack me up. Maybe open a history book or two.

Maybe open your mind and reread scripture a few times

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This chart is far off base and leaves out much of it prophecy

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Or this. The nice thing about charts is you can make them show anything.

yeah you can make them say anything

I agree

Does not make it right

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know. You love to wallow in your ignorance.

Same could be said for you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I cannot allow you to promote your heretical views without challenging them. Sorry. The idea of a third temple should be repulsive to all Christians. Have you even considered the implications of a third temple and resumption of animal sacrifices? Have you even considered whether or not God would allow such a thing? What message would Jews sacrificing to God in a temple for covering of sins send to the rest of the world? It would nullify the sacrifice of His Son, wouldn't it? It would tell the world that there is a works-based, alternative way to heaven that does not require acceptance of His Son and His work on the cross.

Christ said that the only way to the Father is through Him!! Christ said He would rebuild the temple in 3 days and He did!! It is a spiritual temple and we are all a part of it. Is Christ as our temple (and temple of all those who are saved) not good enough for you?? Do you need to have one built by human hands again for Him to dwell in, ignoring the fact that He REPEATEDLY said He would NEVER dwell in a temple made with hands? He dwells in us - WE ARE THE TEMPLE. The Jews need to join us in OUR temple, not the other way around!!

God is NOT going to allow a third temple to be built and if He does, He certainly won't dwell in it or honor it in any way. To suggest He would is one of the most anti-Christian and sacrilegious concepts I've ever heard. Please stop promoting this and join me in condemning any Jewish plans to re-institute the Law. Our way to heaven is through the blood of Jesus, NOT through the blood of rams and bulls.

Acts 7:48
“However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:

Acts 17:24
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.

Matthew 12:6
Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.

Acts 17:24
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.

John 2:19-21
Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” But He was speaking of the temple of His body.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 19
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

2 Corinthians 6:16
...For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”

Christ Our Cornerstone
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

PLEASE STOP THIS LONGING FOR A THIRD TEMPLE DEAR BROTHER. YOU ARE HURTING OUR FAITH AND NULLIFYING THE SACRIFICE OF OUR SAVIOR WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT. WILL ANY OTHER CHRISTIAN STAND UP WITH ME AND REJECT THIS THIRD TEMPLE WISHING???? YOUR SACRIFICE IS ENOUGH FOR ME JESUS, MORE THAN ENOUGH.

This nonsence again

If you can not understand our theology your best bet is to back off and get a clue yourself

You have been duped into believing we think there is salvation apart from Christ. That’s a lie and as long as you propagate Otherwise you just put a nail in your own coffin and prove your word in this matter is untrustworthy

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I will say this, the Western Wall was part of the Antonia Fortress, not the temple complex. Remember, Christ said not one stone would be left upon another. Josephus documents that the Romans leveled everything except 3 Roman towers which were left as a sign of Roman might and victory. So, the Jews worshiping at the wailing wall, are praying at the remnant of a Roman fortress which was key to their destruction. Ironic, isn't it? This is how completely lost they are. They missed Christ's first coming just as VCO missed His second coming.

Hey we agree on something

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The only thing important about that temple is it outlived its usefulness when Christ made it obsolete.

It was not useful when christ was born. It was headed up by a high priest who did not know god. And even the sacrifices which were done could
Never take away sin (Hebrews)

Yet even in its sinful state Jesus called it his fathers house

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where does the bible give the specific location for any of the temples?

I think if you read this thread and watch all the videos you would see exactly where scripture points it to be

That is what this thread is about

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah there is no biblical requirement that the temple be built in a specific place, the Jews can and could've built the temple at any time they wanted.

Yes they Could but they will not. If they would it would have been built already. Remember they are a traditional and religious people who live by their history and traditions. It is part of their blindness and why they rejected christ

 

[preacher4truth]

I cannot allow you to promote your heretical views without challenging them. Sorry. The idea of a third temple should be repulsive to all Christians. Have you even considered the implications of a third temple and resumption of animal sacrifices? Have you even considered whether or not God would allow such a thing? What message would Jews sacrificing to God in a temple for covering of sins send to the rest of the world? It would nullify the sacrifice of His Son, wouldn't it? It would tell the world that there is a works-based, alternative way to heaven that does not require acceptance of His Son and His work on the cross.

Christ said that the only way to the Father is through Him!! Christ said He would rebuild the temple in 3 days and He did!! It is a spiritual temple and we are all a part of it. Is Christ as our temple (and temple of all those who are saved) not good enough for you?? Do you need to have one built by human hands again for Him to dwell in, ignoring the fact that He REPEATEDLY said He would NEVER dwell in a temple made with hands? He dwells in us - WE ARE THE TEMPLE. The Jews need to join us in OUR temple, not the other way around!!

God is NOT going to allow a third temple to be built and if He does, He certainly won't dwell in it or honor it in any way. To suggest He would is one of the most anti-Christian and sacrilegious concepts I've ever heard. Please stop promoting this and join me in condemning any Jewish plans to re-institute the Law. Our way to heaven is through the blood of Jesus, NOT through the blood of rams and bulls.

Acts 7:48
“However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:

Acts 17:24
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.

Matthew 12:6
Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.

Acts 17:24
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.

John 2:19-21
Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” But He was speaking of the temple of His body.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 19
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

2 Corinthians 6:16
...For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”

Christ Our Cornerstone
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

PLEASE STOP THIS LONGING FOR A THIRD TEMPLE DEAR BROTHER. YOU ARE HURTING OUR FAITH AND NULLIFYING THE SACRIFICE OF OUR SAVIOR WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT. WILL ANY OTHER CHRISTIAN STAND UP WITH ME AND REJECT THIS THIRD TEMPLE WISHING???? YOUR SACRIFICE IS ENOUGH FOR ME JESUS, MORE THAN ENOUGH.

I'm not certain what you mean by it would nullify the sacrifice of the Son, but it would most certainly show they still do not recognize him as LORD and Messiah. I can't see anywhere that he believes it is necessary for forgiveness of sins. Has he said this? I may have missed it. If so I would like to see it.

I think the point of VCO is only that he believes a new temple will be built as a fulfillment of his futurist doctrine, not that he is saying there is anything efficacious stemming from the sacrifices for the Jews who would offer them. At least that is what I hope he is meaning. According to Hebrews 10:26, there is no more sacrifice for sin, we agree on that I believe. Jesus sacrifice ended that era.