ANGELS DO NOT HAVE FLESHLY BODIES

garee · Jul 17, 2020

Hi Soberxp

You offered

I would offer first and foremost we must be careful how we hear or say we hear God .He is not a man. He is the Spirit that works in mankind (those subject to the gospel "salvation." )

The father of lies or spirit of error, the pagan god of this world has no form. That kind of spirit put its thoughts on the lips of a creature of the field. A creation not subject to the gospel. The serpent form was changed. As it seem took away the ability to walk upright.

In effect the spirit of error said: Did God say thou shall surely die. ? (causing wonder to distract trusting God not seen ). Look at me and live. The temporal seen must be mixed with the eternal unseen will. The spirit of lies will use anything to include clouds as lying wonders in order to keep a person from trusting in a unseen God .Again God is not a Man .That's the antichrist the one spirit of error working in antichrists' (many )The god of this world working in the hearts of unbelief. This shows its need for flesh and blood. The temporal things seen. Which as Christians we do not wrestle against.

Study on how to mix faith ( hear the gospel and believe in God not seen.( Hebrews 4 ) Then we can have our burden made lighter yoked with Christ who does dwell in these earthen bodies of dearth.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

We see Christ by faith (hearing) not by watching clouds and wondering. That is the foundation of Paganism in any culture.

soberxp · Jul 17, 2020

garee said:

I'm tired of your answers. Too many people say the same word in these days since 2008.10.10. Judge others , you don't know me.
I am only announcing the second coming of Jesus Christ,2008.10.10 At this time, the earth north and south are in summer , and I have a fig tree on my balcony
as my title NO matter what you believe me or not
if satan do something that must be god Allow (see bible Job)
I read bible, I don't want to take out the bible and say things, read them yourself.
Maybe what I have described is missing, after all, it is not my native language

In the bible as we know Revelation use word last day , As a foreigner as me, a person who learns English
Last means
When was the last time Jesus came
do we still remember last time or last day he leave
He ascended into the sky

In China, there is a proverb,
There is a man who likes Chinese dragons,his name is Lord Ye. His house is full of paintings and books about Chinese dragons. One day, the Chinese dragon comes to him.He was frightened, and he didn't know what to do.
and now he has return , not soon, already.
He arrived sooner than most people thought

This began on October 10th 2008,(At this time, the earth north and south are in summer , and I have a fig tree on my balcony )
I felt depressed that day and walked onto the balcony, which was cloudy morning, overcast and looks dark。I saw clouds like Chinese dragon, moving its body and watching me as said :" you little guy " when it's moving the sun is the one eye.Stare at me. time is AM 12:00
I want to describe my experiences as much as possible. i was not too amazing when I watching the sun the eye or the clouds or the Chinese dragon , People often says what clouds might looks like , but i know what i saw,it's not just looks like,i know which is which.
Then clouds came back to normal,I walked back to my room calmly,and thought "Shall I go out again? " I started wondering what I saw just curiosity。I go back to the balcony .and watch the sky and cloud , He showed up again in the form of Chinese dragon. I started thinking about taking pictures of my Motorola phone。Just as I was ready to take pictures,I saw him who beginning to feel angry,the color turned to red blood, I said clouds turned blood, then disappeared immediately , disappeared .I was scared, feeling as i just killled him.

Looking into the sky,heavy clouds and low down to surface ,lights looks dark，Suddenly clouds opened a hole in the sky .Bigger and bigger ，Perfect circle ，could see the sky very blue....There is a cloud of point at the center ，Bigger and bigger ,A huge white cross/crucifix appeared before me,
Then Jesus appeared before the cross; his gorgeous clothes were nothing like this world，but i didn't see the face ,the face is blue sky , Posture is like Jesus statue at Brazil，I'd rather repeat it again，his gorgeous clothes were nothing like this world，Clothes hung over the feet,Sleeve design is perfect，Hairstyle are consistent with what we think 。saints slowly appeared on his left side of Jesus ，Smaller than Jesus，Angel and two wings ,The number is about 12 to 30,maybe 24，Confused with men or women , feels like one flesh.
（Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,and shall cleave unto his wife:and they shall be one flesh.）

Other vision ,I saw in the sky, Pyramid，Greek Athena ，old chinese firearms，etc。。。。。 It's all shows with the form of clouds as movie，I don't think it means anything. I think it's just describing long history.

After that,I saw a Naked girl ,Slowly emerge in front of me，Greek hairstyle，Very beautiful，She has a beautiful profile. the view of flank,hard to tell. I saw her slowly Pregnancy，Don't know why I was slightly uncontrollable kneeling down .

When all these finished,Time has reached to 3-5 p.m.I just feel a few minutes 。
BTW. I am myopic. When I saw Jesus, I was not myopic, but only for the moment.

luke 12:38
And if he shall come in the second watch,or come in the third watch,and fine them so,blessed are those servants.
The second coming.
Dont't miss the second watch , I meybe the watchman at this time.down't know about third watch.
Don't be a man like him ,Lord Ye
READ Luke 12

garee · Jul 17, 2020

soberxp said:

I'm tired of your answers. Too many people say the same word in these days since 2008.10.10. Judge others , you don't know me.
I am only announcing the second coming of Jesus Christ,2008.10.10 At this time, the earth north and south are in summer , and I have a fig tree on my balcony
as my title NO matter what you believe me or not
if satan do something that must be god Allow (see bible Job)
I read bible, I don't want to take out the bible and say things, read them yourself.
Maybe what I have described is missing, after all, it is not my native language

In the bible as we know Revelation use word last day , As a foreigner as me, a person who learns English
Last means
When was the last time Jesus came
do we still remember last time or last day he leave
He ascended into the sky

In China, there is a proverb,
There is a man who likes Chinese dragons,his name is Lord Ye. His house is full of paintings and books about Chinese dragons. One day, the Chinese dragon comes to him.He was frightened, and he didn't know what to do.
and now he has return , not soon, already.
He arrived sooner than most people thought

This began on October 10th 2008,(At this time, the earth north and south are in summer , and I have a fig tree on my balcony )
I felt depressed that day and walked onto the balcony, which was cloudy morning, overcast and looks dark。I saw clouds like Chinese dragon, moving its body and watching me as said :" you little guy " when it's moving the sun is the one eye.Stare at me. time is AM 12:00
I want to describe my experiences as much as possible. i was not too amazing when I watching the sun the eye or the clouds or the Chinese dragon , People often says what clouds might looks like , but i know what i saw,it's not just looks like,i know which is which.
Then clouds came back to normal,I walked back to my room calmly,and thought "Shall I go out again? " I started wondering what I saw just curiosity。I go back to the balcony .and watch the sky and cloud , He showed up again in the form of Chinese dragon. I started thinking about taking pictures of my Motorola phone。Just as I was ready to take pictures,I saw him who beginning to feel angry,the color turned to red blood, I said clouds turned blood, then disappeared immediately , disappeared .I was scared, feeling as i just killled him.

Looking into the sky,heavy clouds and low down to surface ,lights looks dark，Suddenly clouds opened a hole in the sky .Bigger and bigger ，Perfect circle ，could see the sky very blue....There is a cloud of point at the center ，Bigger and bigger ,A huge white cross/crucifix appeared before me,
Then Jesus appeared before the cross; his gorgeous clothes were nothing like this world，but i didn't see the face ,the face is blue sky , Posture is like Jesus statue at Brazil，I'd rather repeat it again，his gorgeous clothes were nothing like this world，Clothes hung over the feet,Sleeve design is perfect，Hairstyle are consistent with what we think 。saints slowly appeared on his left side of Jesus ，Smaller than Jesus，Angel and two wings ,The number is about 12 to 30,maybe 24，Confused with men or women , feels like one flesh.
（Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,and shall cleave unto his wife:and they shall be one flesh.）

Other vision ,I saw in the sky, Pyramid，Greek Athena ，old chinese firearms，etc。。。。。 It's all shows with the form of clouds as movie，I don't think it means anything. I think it's just describing long history.

After that,I saw a Naked girl ,Slowly emerge in front of me，Greek hairstyle，Very beautiful，She has a beautiful profile. the view of flank,hard to tell. I saw her slowly Pregnancy，Don't know why I was slightly uncontrollable kneeling down .

When all these finished,Time has reached to 3-5 p.m.I just feel a few minutes 。
BTW. I am myopic. When I saw Jesus, I was not myopic, but only for the moment.

luke 12:38
And if he shall come in the second watch,or come in the third watch,and fine them so,blessed are those servants.
The second coming.
Dont't miss the second watch , I meybe the watchman at this time.down't know about third watch.
Don't be a man like him ,Lord Ye
READ Luke 12

We understand God not seen by the same spirit of faith as it is written . The one exclusive source of faith. Not by looking at clouds as lying wonders

If you are tired of our answers then perhaps you are seeking another kind of spirit other the the spirit of faith the unseen work of God that woks in the believer. looking at clouds using the imaginations of our mind seeing dragons or or other vision is not the same kind of spirit of faith, as it is written .

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

What you are offering that's the spirit of paganism or philosophies of men "out of sight out of mind " .They have no foundation of faith as a law the reveals the will of our unseen God. Their gods (the gods of the imagination) is continuing being blown away shape shifting. If your squint your eyes the imagination is the limit.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Truth7t7 · Jul 17, 2020

Blik said:

The Sons of God Were Human Men, they married human wives and had human children, simple

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 John 3:1KJV
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

God Was Striving With Man (Flesh), Not Angels

Genesis 6:1-7KJV
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Truth7t7 · Jul 17, 2020

John146 said:

I missed where angels are called (Sons of God)

Please provide scripture that contains (Angel & Sons of God) in the same scripture reference, perhaps I missed this one?

Truth7t7 · Jul 17, 2020

John146 said:

The scripture itself (CLEARLY) shows the Giants were present (BEFORE) the (Sons of God) went in unto the daughters.

1st) There were Giants in the Earth

2nd) After That, the Sons of God went in unto the daughters of men.

Even giving the false claim that the Sons if God were Angels, the Giants existed in the earth (Prior) to the Sons of God going in to the daughters.

Will you continue with the "False Claim" Angels had sexual relations with humans that produced Giants?

(AFTER THAT)

Genesis 6:1-4KJV
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Truth7t7 · Jul 17, 2020

WithinReason said:

Why would she reject that which the entire reformation taught, and all the way back unto Meltio of Sardis, and the others before him in the scripture? -

Long list with citations:
https://ia801409.us.archive.org/29/items/michael-the-archangel-11-messengers-of-the-lord-the-reformation-etc/Michael the archangel [11] - Messengers of the LORD & the Reformation & etc.pdf

List of names, no citations:
https://ia601404.us.archive.org/15/items/michael-the-archangel-x-2-appendix-2-the-short-historical-list-of-those-who-taught-jesus-is-michael/Michael the archangel [X2] - Appendix 2 The Short Historical List of those who taught Jesus is Michael.pdf

Just because the WTS/JW cling in part to the Roman Catholic doctrine, that Michael is created, is their business, for having rejected the light in the Reformation and Great Awakening movements.

Others have long pointed out the same:

https://ia803207.us.archive.org/0/items/awhn-bible-michael-wikipedia/AWHN - Bible - Michael Wikipedia.jpg

Not perfect but useful:

https://ia802906.us.archive.org/11/items/amazing-facts-pocket-book-doug-batchelor-who-is-michael-the-archangel/Amazing Facts - Pocket Book - Doug Batchelor - Who Is Michael The Archangel.pdf

https://ia802908.us.archive.org/4/items/doctrine-michael-archangel-archangels-another-study-not-all-correct-but-good/Doctrine - Michael Archangel - Archangels - Another Study, Not All Correct But Good.pdf

https://ia801901.us.archive.org/10/items/doctrine-michael-archangel-francis-n-lee-jesus-is-michael/Doctrine - Michael Archangel - Francis N Lee - Jesus Is Michael.pdf

https://ia903208.us.archive.org/32/items/doctrine-michael-archangel-francis-n-lee-michael-archangel-short-notes/Doctrine - Michael Archangel - Francis N Lee - Michael Archangel Short Notes.pdf

I would simply ask that you do not confuse the WTS./JW errors (or the Roman Catholic ones for that matter) with the truth of scripture, history.

Jesus Christ isn't Michael The Arch Angel.

There isn't an Investigative Judgement taking place after the failed claim of Jesus Christ return in 1844

The soul dosent sleep upon death

As all taught by the false prophetess Ellen G. White in 7th Day Adventism

garee · Jul 17, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Not sure of all of Ellen G. White private interpretations (commentary.)

If the the new soul of the believer does not sleep until the last day then what it do .The only other alternative is to form necromancy seeking after the dead familiar spirit .Like Catholiscim ( #3500 souls and rising called patron saints actively working. Call in the Bible workers with a familiar spirit.

A commentary is found in Luke 16 shows no serving two masters in a string of parables .Teacheing us no man can serve two teaching Masters .1# The word of God sola scriptura .: All things written in the law and prophets and 2# necromancy the dead working in the living ..

The Holy Spirit inform us if they will not hear the one source of faith( sola scriptura) then they will not believe even if one physically rose from the dead. Faith to believe God not seen comes by hearing the word of God not after the temporal that seen.

Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. ( mammon the things of this world)

Luke 16:29-31 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; (sola scriptura) let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Benadam · Jul 17, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Consider this possibility Truth7t7. This man because of this claim of revenge is the beginning of the giants.

Gen 4

23 Lamech said to his wives,

“Adah and Zillah, listen to me;
wives of Lamech, hear my words.
I have killed a man for wounding me,
a young man for injuring me.
24 If Cain is avenged seven times,
then Lamech seventy-seven times.”[/QUOTE]

Truth7t7 · Jul 17, 2020

garee said:

Not sure of all of Ellen G. White private interpretations (commentary.)

If the the new soul of the believer does not sleep until the last day then what it do .The only other alternative is to form necromancy seeking after the dead familiar spirit .Like Catholiscim ( #3500 souls and rising called patron saints actively working. Call in the Bible workers with a familiar spirit.

A commentary is found in Luke 16 shows no serving two masters in a string of parables .Teacheing us no man can serve two teaching Masters .1# The word of God sola scriptura .: All things written in the law and prophets and 2# necromancy the dead working in the living ..

The Holy Spirit inform us if they will not hear the one source of faith( sola scriptura) then they will not believe even if one physically rose from the dead. Faith to believe God not seen comes by hearing the word of God not after the temporal that seen.

Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. ( mammon the things of this world)

Luke 16:29-31 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; (sola scriptura) let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

The rich man and Lazarus clearly shows the "Soul" is actively aware after death.

I strongly disagree with your claims of Necromancy.

blueluna5 · Jul 17, 2020

MyrtleTrees said:

They can take the appearance of humans. "For some have entertained angels unaware."

I had this happen where I'm fairly certain there were 2 angels involved. I probably wouldn't have thought about it except I met an angel in my dream before. Something about the way the sun hit the one it gave it away. Also they behaved as close as family toward me. Again I know the feeling bc I've experienced it before. It's definitely harder to tell in the physical realm though. But people are still energy. You feel the energy of others.

That's just one time. There were also individuals that saved my life before and just happened to be there. Stuff like that but they might have been moved by the holy spirit. It's hard to know.

They do take the appearance of man though. Definitely makes you think when walking out and about.

soberxp · Jul 17, 2020

garee said:

Only love can make a man. The Lord will show signs to me. I can't hide. He knows when I will look up to heaven, when I need comfort, and what I lack. What I have learned from our god is to love your enemy,love everyone even The pagan. It is not uncommon to see many miracles,You see miracles every day, the people around you, the work of God's hand, everything is a miracle,What I want to express is the second coming of Jesus.Don't be afraid, don't be confused. God knows all the things and entrusts yourself to him. Of course, I don't do nothing. Sometimes I feel that I try so hard to convey the message, but I get far away.
Sometimes I want to give up, but what is more important than God .

.

John146 · Jul 17, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

The scripture itself (CLEARLY) shows the Giants were present (BEFORE) the (Sons of God) went in unto the daughters.

1st) There were Giants in the Earth

2nd) After That, the Sons of God went in unto the daughters of men.

Even giving the false claim that the Sons if God were Angels, the Giants existed in the earth (Prior) to the Sons of God going in to the daughters.

Will you continue with the "False Claim" Angels had sexual relations with humans that produced Giants?

(AFTER THAT)

Genesis 6:1-4KJV
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Actually the scripture says “when“ not before.

Job38:
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Truth7t7 · Jul 17, 2020

John146 said:

"Sons Of God" in Job 38:7 above has absolutely nothing to do with "Angels" as the Hebrew word (Ben) is used, and Strongs below clearly shows it's usage and meaning relating to "Humans" not Angels

Will you continue to Falsely Claim Angels had sex with humans and procreated Giants?

Strong’s Definitions
בֵּן bên, bane; from H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like father or brother), etc.):

John146 · Jul 17, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

"Sons Of God" in Job 38:7 above has absolutely nothing to do with "Angels" as the Hebrew word (Ben) is used, and Strongs below clearly shows it's usage and meaning relating to "Humans" not Angels

Will you continue to Falsely Claim Angels had sex with humans and procreated Giants?

Strong’s Definitions
בֵּן bên, bane; from H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like father or brother), etc.):

What humans were there to witness creation?😂😂😂

Truth7t7 · Jul 17, 2020

John146 said:

Sorry Pal, the Hebrew (Ben) was used for (Sons of God) in Job 38:7, and this word has absolutely (Nothing) to do with Angels.

Will you continue to Falsely Claim Angels had sex with humans and procreated Giants?

Strong’s Definitions
בֵּן bên, bane; from H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like father or brother), etc.):

John146 · Jul 17, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Hebrew🤦‍♂️, I’ll stick with the KJV thanks. It defines itself, no need for outside influences.

dcontroversal · Jul 17, 2020

Yeah......ok.....so the men of Sodom wanted to have sex with spirits.....

Case closed.

Another thread based upon a false premise!

Blik · Jul 17, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

The Sons of God Were Human Men, they married human wives and had human children, simple

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 John 3:1KJV
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

God Was Striving With Man (Flesh), Not Angels

Genesis 6:1-7KJV
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

The sixth chapter of Genesis makes a clear distinction between the "sons of God" and the "daughters of man".

The book of Enoch that has been taken out of our bibles but still regarded as history of the time before Noah tells us that a large group of the angels called Watchers cohabited with human women. We are told that this class of angels can take on human form. Even in the NT we are told to be kind to strangers, they may be angels.

Blade · Jul 17, 2020

The way God made the angels.. and all the gifts He gave them.. they still have. No angel is out there seeking some human body to possess. Our body would be a down grade. I personally do not believe demons are angels. For demons have no body what so ever. Always seeking a place to live.

I wonder if the demons are not all those that died in the flood. Well we don't know how many people were on the earth before the flood. Could have been BILLIONS. And how many of them were part angel part man. Something that was never meant to be. I wonder if those are not the demons.

I love this song "The Lord bless you and keep you make His face shine upon you. And be gracious to you. The Lord turn His Face toward you And give you peace

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