ANGELS DO NOT HAVE FLESHLY BODIES

[MyrtleTrees]

Heaven is like a man who falls in love with life and love with the hearing of faith called the "first love" (believing God not seen)

God's love is conditional . Three things that make up God.

God is Love. God is Spirit. God is light.

He is not a man . He is here reigning in the heats of believers .Some are waiting for flesh and blood for another demonstration of the unseen work of God working in his prophet apostle Jesus In a hope as a lying wonder that God is a man.

What some call the second coming .It describes the last day when His eternal Spirit leaves the corrupted creation behind. Up in smoke .

True! And here's a link for reading the book of Enoch online for free, if interested. I see the book as being false and not from God. I plan to read it more later on my computer.

http://www.hiddenbible.com/enoch/online.html

 

[soberxp]

Heaven is like a man who falls in love with life and love with the hearing of faith called the "first love" (believing God not seen)

God's love is conditional . Three things that make up God.

God is Love. God is Spirit. God is light.

He is not a man . He is here reigning in the heats of believers .Some are waiting for flesh and blood for another demonstration of the unseen work of God working in his prophet apostle Jesus In a hope as a lying wonder that God is a man.

What some call the second coming .It describes the last day when His eternal Spirit leaves the corrupted creation behind. Up in smoke .

Jesus is the image of the invisible God,and The word was god.

God is invisible because the truth of God is invisible,For people who don't read the Bible, can't understand God's word from The life of the world.

truth of god is invisible that is ideological in mind or in heart .then follow the truth of god and follow Jesue Chirst.

if I said that I have seen god or Jesus but don't understand the truth of god,God is invisible to me.

god shows us him in the bible words.


Do you still think that the second coming of Jesus is a sign of Satan?In order to save the world, Satan incarnated Jesus to come?

So give me a reason, why does Satan incarnate as Jesus?

 

[garee]

Well said! However, in the case of the witch of Endor bringing up the Spirit of Samuel - it appears to me that it was Samuel's spirit that spoke to her. Though I also believe all who die in the Lord - their spirits automatically go to heaven. But maybe God allowed Samuel's spirit to say what he said to Saul - whether he said it from heaven or from being temporarily brought down to speak with the woman in this case - I don't know. It's true the woman's sin of calling up his spirit was a grave sin against God. But since Saul had chosen to go ahead with this evil, God chose to reply to him through Samuel. And what Samuel predicted would happen to Saul - did happen - Saul soon afterwards died in battle.
Another odd situation in the Bible, in which a deceased man of God's body caused ( I mean, God had to have caused it to happen, as only God is capable of miracles) a dead man's body to come alive, is found here:
2 Kings 13:21

21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.
KJV

I will be stubborn on that one. It must of been a strong delusion or it makes God the liar .It could not be Samuel prophesying. It sets the foundation of necromancy communing with dead workers with familiar spirits .

Rachel's family was guilty of it. She hid the idol images (teraphims) from her father. It was quite common in false Judaism. Same spirit of lies that sought after a queen of heaven.

1 Samuel 28. 6 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

We know from other sections that when a lying spirts in conjured up it the spirit of lies come as a legion. many . And is why a face (what form is he?) must first be applied to believe the deception .

When Jesus asked the name of the spirit that dwelt in a man it identified himself as "legion" as many as needed. (Catholicism has 3500 and rising picking up speed introducing new patron saints that men seek after. Like Saul and the witch. .

The witch or wizard represents an abomination. Again it is necessary to have a idol image when seeking the legion . Deceiving one self can have many faces.

We pray the one manner to our unseen Father in heaven . Mathew 6; 9 not the many or legion workers with familiar spirts of mankind. We walk by faith the unseen.

Sola scriptura .all things written the the bible (law and the prophets). .They can cast out the legion

2 Kings 23:24 Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.

It can also be seen in the series parables in Luke 16 ....: "No man can serve two teaching Masters" . The word of God the true Master. (the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.) and necromancy. The illusion of communing with the dead. .

Luke 13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. ........(Mammon the things of men).

King James Version (KJV) Luke 16:26 -28 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

In that parable he the mammon man things of men did not hear the word and believe. He was just told that necromancy (patron saints) is not possible, .So again (two witnesses ) If they hear not Moses and the prophets, sola scriptura then neither would they believe if someone arose from the dead . Faith comes from hearing God not seeing God. God is not a man. We can believe as he gives us his faith as it is written. The greater riches of faith that works in the believer. ...the unseen eternal.

King James Version (KJV) Luke 16: 28-31 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[garee]

True! And here's a link for reading the book of Enoch online for free, if interested. I see the book as being false and not from God. I plan to read it more later on my computer.

http://www.hiddenbible.com/enoch/online.html

I would agree it is a oral tradition of men.

The Bible says Enoch prophesied . It does not mean it he wrote a book .

The book of prophecy the bible gives us the words . Small book two or three verses. "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

We are not to go above it is written

 

[Scribe]

Human flesh is human flesh and Angels may appear in human form and they may eat before us but that does not make them human flesh it only makes them greater in might and power.

 

[garee]

Jesus is the image of the invisible God,and The word was god.

God is invisible because the truth of God is invisible,For people who don't read the Bible, can't understand God's word from The life of the world.

truth of god is invisible that is ideological in mind or in heart .then follow the truth of god and follow Jesue Chirst.

if I said that I have seen god or Jesus but don't understand the truth of god,God is invisible to me.

god shows us him in the bible words.


Do you still think that the second coming of Jesus is a sign of Satan?In order to save the world, Satan incarnated Jesus to come?

So give me a reason, why does Satan incarnate as Jesus?

Hi thanks for the reply.

I would offer. If you say that a person have seen God or Jesus , God who is not a man then he is invisible to you. Saving faith does not come by observing the temporal things seen.

When we accredit the unseen work of the gospel working in man and attribute it to gods in the likeness of men Like some did with the apostles .That's were trouble begins we deny the faith of Christ that works in us. In that way no man can serve two masters. Faith must be mixed if we are to have our burden made lighter, resting in Christ.

Acts 14:7-12 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. (the commandment from God) And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.

I think what is called second coming is the end of time, the last day . . .the twinkling of the eye. When Christ who is reigning on earth in the hearts of the believers as temples of God. Will say it is finished. Those remaining will be lifted up and the others arise from their sleep .The wake up call. No snooze alarm. LOL

Its not a sign of Satan or anyone .Its a evil generation (faithless mankind) that seeks after what the eyes see. . signs and lying wonders .

Believers believe the scriptures. No need to wonder. We walk by faith and not by looking at the temporal corrupted things seen.

 

[Dino246]

I will be stubborn on that one. It must of been a strong delusion or it makes God the liar .It could not be Samuel prophesying. It sets the foundation of necromancy communing with dead workers with familiar spirits .

Your unwillingness to accept the plain text of Scripture is sad.

 

[Blik]

Yes, angels are not able to have sexual relations with humans. I believe the book of Enoch that is around is a fake book - I mean that it couldn't have been written by Enoch, since the book's claim that angels cohabited with humans, I see as false and not possible. I think they made that claim in order to add fascination to the book and to get more people to buy it. And think of how no one has seen demons in fleshly form in modern times, either! If it were possible back in Bible times, it would still be possible now.

The term, "son of God", in the Bible, sometimes refers to humans, and sometimes to Jesus, and sometimes to evil angels.
Rom 8:14

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
KJV

Matt 14:33

33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
KJV

Job 1:6

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
KJV

Giantism is a disorder that still happens in modern times - it is a genetic disorder, rare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantism

People who lived at the time Christ lived in our world believed the book of Enoch was the inspired word from the Lord. According to the record of the discussions of the men who said it wasn't, their reasoning included that it was too Jewish. Certainly, it is a record of what men were thinking and doing before Noah. Enoch was the Greatgrandfather of Noah. You may be right, that it was not inspired by the Lord, but you are not right that it gives no information about times that are long past. Fragments of the book was found in the deep sea scrolls.

 

[Magenta]

People who lived at the time Christ lived in our world believed the book of Enoch was the inspired word from the Lord. According to the record of the discussions of the men who said it wasn't, their reasoning included that it was too Jewish. Certainly, it is a record of what men were thinking and doing before Noah. Enoch was the Greatgrandfather of Noah. You may be right, that it was not inspired by the Lord, but you are not right that it gives no information about times that are long past. Fragments of the book was found in the deep sea scrolls.

Being found with the Dead Sea scrolls is not poof of inspiration. Wisdom of Sirach was also found there, and it was/is not considered inspired. The Book of Enoch was not written by Enoch, either. The apocryphal books were not in the Hebrew canon, and none of the writers lay any claim to inspiration. Those books themselves make reference to what we call the Silent 400 years, where there were no prophets of God to write inspired materials.

 

[garee]

Human flesh is human flesh and Angels may appear in human form and they may eat before us but that does not make them human flesh it only makes them greater in might and power.

Yes, greater in might and unseen power within (Emanuel)

Messengers (angels) of God as apostles (sent ones) they are moved by God to bring prophecy, the word of God .

Messengers are still entertaining those estranged from the hearing of faith. Messengers preach the gospel and pray God will give them who hear a new spirit that will rise on the last day .

The devil, the one spirit that works in antichrists (many) worked in Peter. This is when Peter fell by pride after the introduction of the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against (the gospel) Peter deceived himself thinking he was the key which faithless Catholicism does attribute to Peter.

Peter full of false ride rebuked the Lord of glory in respect to the Son of Man, Jesus. The Father gave his prophet and apostle Jesus words to rebuke the devil. The Son of man has no power to rebuke .

In effect it was the lord that rebuked the spirt of error. saying get behind me the author of faith not behind Peter a sinner. The things of men seen. Peter was used as one time demonstration of the many antichrists' spoken of in 1 John.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy of the Son of man. Blasphemy against the unseen Holy Spirit is not forgivable. (never was). The 33 year window ended when Jesus disappeared out of sight. .

Mathew 16: 21-23 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, (turned by the father )and said (the words of the father) unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Not mixing faith. The things of God and those of men.

 

[garee]

People who lived at the time Christ lived in our world believed the book of Enoch was the inspired word from the Lord. According to the record of the discussions of the men who said it wasn't, their reasoning included that it was too Jewish. Certainly, it is a record of what men were thinking and doing before Noah. Enoch was the Greatgrandfather of Noah. You may be right, that it was not inspired by the Lord, but you are not right that it gives no information about times that are long past. Fragments of the book was found in the deep sea scrolls.

We should be careful then how we hear it becomes how much information can be added to the Bible? That like a book of Enoch which does rise above all things written in the law and prophets .(Sola scriptura) we have the words he was inspired of. Do we need more is something missing? ?

One of the think not doctrines of God that protect the integrity of the author.

1 Corinthians 4:5-7 King James Version (KJV) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure (parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

We have the perfect word of prophecy with a warning in the last chapter to those who would add or subtract. rather than rightly divide the whole.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

People who lived at the time Christ lived in our world believed the book of Enoch was the inspired word from the Lord. According to the record of the discussions of the men who said it wasn't, their reasoning included that it was too Jewish. Certainly, it is a record of what men were thinking and doing before Noah. Enoch was the Greatgrandfather of Noah. You may be right, that it was not inspired by the Lord, but you are not right that it gives no information about times that are long past. Fragments of the book was found in the deep sea scrolls.

Yes, fragments of it agree with the scriptures - I agree. I just now read some from the book of Enoch I found online. And can recognize scriptures it quotes in it. But I see is as an untrustworthy book, and that it couldn't be the actual book of Enoch that is mentioned in the Bible. Since Enoch was a godly man, and i don't believe God would have allowed a child of his to write such an incorrect book. I saw it said things that contradicted the Bible.

 

[garee]

Well said! However, in the case of the witch of Endor bringing up the Spirit of Samuel - it appears to me that it was Samuel's spirit that spoke to her. Though I also believe all who die in the Lord - their spirits automatically go to heaven. But maybe God allowed Samuel's spirit to say what he said to Saul - whether he said it from heaven or from being temporarily brought down to speak with the woman in this case - I don't know. It's true the woman's sin of calling up his spirit was a grave sin against God. But since Saul had chosen to go ahead with this evil, God chose to reply to him through Samuel. And what Samuel predicted would happen to Saul - did happen - Saul soon afterwards died in battle.
Another odd situation in the Bible, in which a deceased man of God's body caused ( I mean, God had to have caused it to happen, as only God is capable of miracles) a dead man's body to come alive, is found here:
2 Kings 13:21

21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.
KJV

Thanks I would offer that necromancy as a teaching Master is a impossibility. Saul bowed down the strong delusion sent by God. The Spirit of Christ was not speaking after any manner to include prophets (Samuel)


The is a gulf (bottomless pit.) between the two is still protecting the one teaching Master. All things written in the law and prophets .

Luke 16: 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

 

[Scribe]

People who lived at the time Christ lived in our world believed the book of Enoch was the inspired word from the Lord. According to the record of the discussions of the men who said it wasn't, their reasoning included that it was too Jewish. Certainly, it is a record of what men were thinking and doing before Noah. Enoch was the Greatgrandfather of Noah. You may be right, that it was not inspired by the Lord, but you are not right that it gives no information about times that are long past. Fragments of the book was found in the deep sea scrolls.

It belongs in the deep sea scrolls.
The book was written around 200BC it was not accepted as authentic by the majority of Jewish orthodoxy. That their were ignorant, gullible people who believed it at that time does not make it credible. Jesus did not give it any credibility. Don't mistake antiquity for authenticity. The Dead Sea scrolls were a library collection from the Essenes. The presence of the Enoch fragments doesnt even prove the Essenes believed it was written by Enoch.

 

[Truth7t7]

The term, "son of God", in the Bible, sometimes refers to humans, and sometimes to Jesus, and sometimes to evil angels.
Rom 8:14

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
KJV

Matt 14:33

33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
KJV

Job 1:6

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
KJV

Giantism is a disorder that still happens in modern times - it is a genetic disorder, rare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantism

The term "Son of God" dosent apply to evil angels as you claim, I'm waiting for your scripture to support your claim.

 

[Blik]

I would agree it is a oral tradition of men.

The Bible says Enoch prophesied . It does not mean it he wrote a book .

The book of prophecy the bible gives us the words . Small book two or three verses. "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

We are not to go above it is written

So you take on the authority to give final judgment? Take it up with Jude who thought differently. Jude wrote scripture, and you are?

 

[garee]

So you take on the authority to give final judgment? Take it up with Jude who thought differently. Jude wrote scripture, and you are?

I am one who hears prophecy and believes God as he works in me. .

The Bible alone in its entirety is the authority of God.

The prophecy given to Enoch is recorded . saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints etc.

Do you need more than what is recorded? Is their something missing from the gospel .Is the sky the limit just imagine. Where would a person place the assumed missing revelations .In the middle at the end?

It would seem some try to widen the authority of as it is written

Jude. . reveals . Jude 14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

I think the Holy Spirit made his point with the words revealed.

 

[soberxp]

Hi thanks for the reply.

I would offer. If you say that a person have seen God or Jesus , God who is not a man then he is invisible to you. Saving faith does not come by observing the temporal things seen.

When we accredit the unseen work of the gospel working in man and attribute it to gods in the likeness of men Like some did with the apostles .That's were trouble begins we deny the faith of Christ that works in us. In that way no man can serve two masters. Faith must be mixed if we are to have our burden made lighter, resting in Christ.

Acts 14:7-12 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. (the commandment from God) And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.

I think what is called second coming is the end of time, the last day . . .the twinkling of the eye. When Christ who is reigning on earth in the hearts of the believers as temples of God. Will say it is finished. Those remaining will be lifted up and the others arise from their sleep .The wake up call. No snooze alarm. LOL

Its not a sign of Satan or anyone .Its a evil generation (faithless mankind) that seeks after what the eyes see. . signs and lying wonders .

Believers believe the scriptures. No need to wonder. We walk by faith and not by looking at the temporal corrupted things seen.

It's Jesus said, its a evil generation that seeks wonders, no more wonders, only Jonah's wonder. what is Jonah's wonder?
The sign of confession and repentance, the sign of Jonah's compassion for sinners

 

[Scribe]

I would agree it is a oral tradition of men.

The Bible says Enoch prophesied . It does not mean it he wrote a book .

The book of prophecy the bible gives us the words . Small book two or three verses. "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

We are not to go above it is written

Amen Garee. This is perfect. Concise, well written, I understood it, and I agree with it.

 

[CS1]

I don't believe angels had fleshly bodies. They are only described as being spirits in the Bible. As such, they have been able to appear invisibly, to people. And sometimes looking like what they really look like - angels. Though sometimes, God has sent angels to mankind in visible form, to look like ordinary humans, too.

Sometimes visible - looking like humans, and other times, invisible:
Judg 13:20-21
20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.
21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.
KJV

Sometimes looking like what we commonly know angels to look like - as angels:
Num 22:23
23 And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.
KJV

angels do not have fleshly bodies