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I have become embroiled in a struggle with promoters of anti-religious scientism after presenting a theory that life on Earth started on a minor early solar system body I call Ushas. The fundamental idea is that life started with the convergence of a unique, or nearly-unique, set of circumstances in the early solar system. The most improbable event was that a nearby gamma ray burst was aimed directly at the solar system. This generated the highly active molecules necessary for life. There are billions of research dollars at stake because my theory undermines NASA's current dogma of spontaneous generation of life on wet planets, e.g., the Earth and icy moons with internal oceans. People from Blue Marble Earth, which promotes the current dogma, are making it clear they are intolerant of opposition. I have been saying that my goal is to bring science and religion together around a common understanding of the origin of life, so I am here to open a dialogue with evangelical Christians to balance the science discussions I have been engaged in. My anti-religious opposition apparently thinks that if they can maintain a schism between science and religion they can achieve total victory.

My religious practice is with the Berkeley Unitarian Universalist Fellowship. UUs have a Christian background but are not Christians because they are non-creedal I am the active scientist in the group and have been studying the mathematical basis of reality informally at UC-Berkeley. The coronavirus shutdown of campus has cut me off from the academic databases and face-to-face contacts there so I have switched to online outreach. My philosophy goes well beyond the typical reductionism to physics. I see that there is a natural trinity of physical reality, information, and consciousness that underlies the Christian trinity.

Physical reality contains a form of "maya" (commonly translated as "illusion") in which chemistry is in the foreground and the geometrical structure of matter is in the background. This is necessary to explain why complex cells evolved before simple ones. Information reality was well understood by Plato, but he wrote in a cryptic style to hide his more radical ideas from his opponents, who had executed his teacher Socrates. Because I have a knowledge of modern mathematical science, I could easily decrypt the riddle of "Plato's Number", though no correct solution has been published in thousands of years. I strongly break from contemporary scientific tradition by being a Biblical scholar. I see that Abrahamic religion describes its replacement by a new social order in our times. The "new heaven and new Earth" in Revelation 21: 1 refers to a new cosmology, which is what I have been studying. "No sea" translates as "no impassible cosmic sea", i.e., space exploration has become possible.

At the moment my research is on connecting science, law, and social action. Mathematical description of reality is emotionally dead for most people. We are being subjected to a crisis giving rise to fear on many fronts, e.g., disease, economic collapse, and social strife. In the U.S. the Magna Carta is no longer taken as the first organic law, so something needs to replace it. The divergence in ideas at the time of the writing of the Constitution was too great, so constitutional law also needs to be radically reformed. I see that World War II has become the new Runnymede and that FDR's Four Freedoms speech in January 1941 has become the new legal starting point. Since then the four freedoms of expression, of worship, from want, and from fear have been written into international law. Freedom from fear is the most basic because it is gained through knowledge, which is supported by the other three freedoms. Freedom from fear has also been put on our agenda right now, so our priority needs to be on the social action necessary to bring it about.
 

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You wrote a most interesting introductory post. Glad to have you onboard with us. Welcome to CC.
 
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“A little science estranges a man from God; a lot of science brings him back. “ - Francis Bacon
 

Magenta

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:)

I am going to call @posthuman here, as he may be able to address some of your (OP's) concerns :)
 

oyster67

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I have become embroiled in a struggle with promoters of anti-religious scientism after presenting a theory that life on Earth started on a minor early solar system body I call Ushas. The fundamental idea is that life started with the convergence of a unique, or nearly-unique, set of circumstances in the early solar system. The most improbable event was that a nearby gamma ray burst was aimed directly at the solar system. This generated the highly active molecules necessary for life. There are billions of research dollars at stake because my theory undermines NASA's current dogma of spontaneous generation of life on wet planets, e.g., the Earth and icy moons with internal oceans. People from Blue Marble Earth, which promotes the current dogma, are making it clear they are intolerant of opposition. I have been saying that my goal is to bring science and religion together around a common understanding of the origin of life, so I am here to open a dialogue with evangelical Christians to balance the science discussions I have been engaged in. My anti-religious opposition apparently thinks that if they can maintain a schism between science and religion they can achieve total victory.

My religious practice is with the Berkeley Unitarian Universalist Fellowship. UUs have a Christian background but are not Christians because they are non-creedal I am the active scientist in the group and have been studying the mathematical basis of reality informally at UC-Berkeley. The coronavirus shutdown of campus has cut me off from the academic databases and face-to-face contacts there so I have switched to online outreach. My philosophy goes well beyond the typical reductionism to physics. I see that there is a natural trinity of physical reality, information, and consciousness that underlies the Christian trinity.

Physical reality contains a form of "maya" (commonly translated as "illusion") in which chemistry is in the foreground and the geometrical structure of matter is in the background. This is necessary to explain why complex cells evolved before simple ones. Information reality was well understood by Plato, but he wrote in a cryptic style to hide his more radical ideas from his opponents, who had executed his teacher Socrates. Because I have a knowledge of modern mathematical science, I could easily decrypt the riddle of "Plato's Number", though no correct solution has been published in thousands of years. I strongly break from contemporary scientific tradition by being a Biblical scholar. I see that Abrahamic religion describes its replacement by a new social order in our times. The "new heaven and new Earth" in Revelation 21: 1 refers to a new cosmology, which is what I have been studying. "No sea" translates as "no impassible cosmic sea", i.e., space exploration has become possible.

At the moment my research is on connecting science, law, and social action. Mathematical description of reality is emotionally dead for most people. We are being subjected to a crisis giving rise to fear on many fronts, e.g., disease, economic collapse, and social strife. In the U.S. the Magna Carta is no longer taken as the first organic law, so something needs to replace it. The divergence in ideas at the time of the writing of the Constitution was too great, so constitutional law also needs to be radically reformed. I see that World War II has become the new Runnymede and that FDR's Four Freedoms speech in January 1941 has become the new legal starting point. Since then the four freedoms of expression, of worship, from want, and from fear have been written into international law. Freedom from fear is the most basic because it is gained through knowledge, which is supported by the other three freedoms. Freedom from fear has also been put on our agenda right now, so our priority needs to be on the social action necessary to bring it about.
The creation of the universe happened just the way the Bible says it did. No mysteries to solve or hypothesis needed. Our universe is very young and was created in a mature form. The only major incidents since creation were the fall and the flood of Noah's day. That is the firm foundation upon which all true science must be built. The deception of the majority in no way effects Truth. Plenty of room for good science, just make sure you build upon bedrock rather than shifting sand.

2 Timothy
1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
1:9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Welcome to CC dear brother Larens:)! Nice to meet and share with you:)!
 

TabinRivCA

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Hi larens welcome to CC and nice to meet you! I can foresee some interesting debates ahead in the other forums. Your desire to bring forth 'freedom from fear' is noble. My idea of freedom from fear is to be under the anointing of the Holy Ghost. Looking forward to your posts and may God bless you!
 
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The creation of the universe happened just the way the Bible says it did. No mysteries to solve or hypothesis needed. Our universe is very young and was created in a mature form. The only major incidents since creation were the fall and the flood of Noah's day. That is the firm foundation upon which all true science must be built. The deception of the majority in no way effects Truth. Plenty of room for good science, just make sure you build upon bedrock rather than shifting sand.

oster67,
I think you are engaging in word theft when you use the phrase "true science", because "science" is a relatively well defined activity that is built on a foundation of logic and natural observation, not what you say. Modifying it with the word "true" does not change that, because "true" has a relatively well defined meaning in science that is different from what you imply. Word theft is an action to destroy dialogue by trying to deny other people the right to express their ideas by redefining their words. It is as if you walked through their front door and stole their computer.

I am familiar with the stories from Adam to Noah. They are basically morality stories about events starting from the beginning of the last warm period of the last ice age. This allowed the high productivity Natufian culture of which the Garden of Eden is a metaphor. The Great Flood of Noah is a metaphor for the great flood that destroyed the city of Aratta in the Indus Valley. It was the first great commercial city based on trade in luxuries. The traders got so rich that they starting hogging all the women and leaving most men without mates. As it says in Genesis 6. this upset God so he created the Great Flood. Sumerian literature tells of refugees from the destruction of Aratta fleeing to Mesopotamia, where they already had a trading town, and starting the country of Sumer. The long length of time is coded into the genealogy from Adam to Noah. The shorter periodity of time (one third as long) is coded into Plato's Republic, which again is consistent with the time period given in Daniel 8. According to Plato we are now entering a Golden Generation that will overthrow tyranny and restore just government. This is consistent with the end time in Revelation.
 
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Greetings Larens.

Do you believe in a god? If so which god do you believe in?
 
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Greetings Larens.

Do you believe in a god? If so which god do you believe in?
The word "god" means different things to different people. In general it means divine order. I say that reality exists so that we have a place in which to be in community. I often use the phrase "collective consciousness". I do not believe in the creeds of Christianity that describe "god" in anthropomorphic form. Many Christians do not either. They just accept the creeds as metaphorical statements. As I described in my OP I am mathematically a trinitarian, just likes Christians. That makes me a minority in the Unitarian Universalists. We say that the we should not have called ourselves "Unitarians", because our difference with the Roman Catholic Church was over anthropomorphism, not mathematical trinitarianism.

In the Polish school of logic when one says that two things are equivalent, the statement can have three other values than true or false. These three are distinguished by having three different relations with time, not changing (information), forward (physical), forward and backward (consciousness). This last relation refers to "causality". We make decisions from our past experience (free will) to meet future goals (fatalism). I often refer to Einstein's idea that "reality is the manifestation of the simplest conceivable mathematical ideas" as my starting point for doing science. Engineers ideally makes things as simple as possible for the given task. I have had to develop new concepts of "general simplicity" when modeling reality. One of these is "serendipity", i.e., when confronted with ambiguity, the mathematical expressions that appear in nature are the ones that include an improbable coincidence. This concept was necessary to calculate the strength of the electromagnetic field.

I hope that this answer is not too abstract. The pursuit of truth leads me to answers that are difficult for many people to understand.
 
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The medieval Shield of the Trinity graphically matches the truth values from the Polish school of logic. "God" is "true". "The Father" creates "physical" being. "The Son" oversees "information". "The Holy Spirit" motivates "consciousness". "False" is not shown. The fact that the verb "to be" is intransitive in the diagram is called the "mystery". Transitive means that if A=B and B=C, then A=C. Such "mysteries" are used in other religions to move toward spiritual enlightenment. For instance, in Zen Buddhism the question may be asked, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"
 
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"The medieval Shield of the Trinity graphically matches the truth values from the Polish school of logic. "God" is "true". "The Father" creates "physical" being. "The Son" oversees "information". "The Holy Spirit" motivates "consciousness". "False" is not shown. The fact that the verb "to be" is intransitive in the diagram is called the "mystery". Transitive means that if A=B and B=C, then A=C. Such "mysteries" are used in other religions to move toward spiritual enlightenment. For instance, in Zen Buddhism the question may be asked, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"
 
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Bible Scholar hunh?
 
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Kim82

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The pursuit of truth leads me to answers that are difficult for many people to understand.
Oh boy you said it.

I imagine that when your neighbour gives you a simple greeting like, "hello how are you?" You respond with a mouthful of things they can't understand.

When you have completed your studies, do you hope to become a minister in the Unitarian Universalist church?

You say you have been studying informally at UC-Berkeley, so will you receive a certification at the end of the studies?
 
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Gamma Rays hunh? Just like that?
Well the gamma ray burst only took a couple of seconds, but it took millions of years for the whole process of storing and distributing the highly active chemicals to take place. When dealing with planetary science and astrobiology you have to be patient.
 
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Oh boy you said it.

I imagine that when your neighbour gives you a simple greeting like, "hello how are you?" You respond with a mouthful of things they can't understand.
---- Actually face-to-face conversations with my neighbors go quite well. I can tailor my comments immediately to their understanding. Put me in front of a computer and by habit I will start writing a thesis. I was having a great time talking to my neighbors for about a week between the campus closing and the time people began wearing masks outside and avoiding one another.

"When you have completed your studies, do you hope to become a minister in the Unitarian Universalist church?"

---- The UU church is too small. My message is for the whole world. Maybe I can start an Internet connected church and travel a lot visiting places and people.

"You say you have been studying informally at UC-Berkeley, so will you receive a certification at the end of the studies?"

---- There is no certification for studies as broad as mine. I have intellectual authority, rather than institutional authority. This means that not only do I have to create theory, I have to create the network to distribute it. This, of course, is too much for one person to do alone. I still need to produce a detailed plan on how I am going to turn my personal research program into a collective one.
 

oyster67

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"I am familiar with the stories from Adam to Noah. They are basically morality stories about events starting from the beginning of the last warm period of the last ice age. This allowed the high productivity Natufian culture of which the Garden of Eden is a metaphor. The Great Flood of Noah is a metaphor for the great flood that destroyed the city of Aratta in the Indus Valley. "

Things will simplify and come together for you once you accept God's revealed truth. Any other way is complicated and hard and you will never get anywhere with your convoluted whimsies. I love you, therefore I must point you in the right direction.

Proverbs
13:15 Good understanding giveth favour: but the way of transgressors [is] hard.
13:16 Every prudent [man] dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open [his] folly.
 
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The question of do you believe in a god, can you answer with a yes or no?
The UU church is too small. My message is for the whole world. Maybe I can start an Internet connected church and travel a lot visiting places and people.
So you want to introduce a new religion to the world? What will be the aim of this religion? Will it make people happy? Will it solve life's problems?

If it were up to you, would you like to see your religion replace Christianity? And the fact that you feel the need to have new theories, does this mean that you believe your intellect is superior to the teachings found in the Bible?
There is no certification for studies as broad as mine. I have intellectual authority, rather than institutional authority.
You are self taught, but since no one has reviewed your ideas to make sure they are correct, how did you come to have this authority, and why will anyone listen to you?