By Works

[Guojing]

When Jesus sit on David throne in Jerusalem? When all the Jews become light?
And you believe before all Jews become light, no gentile save?

Ever wondered why, during early Acts, the 12 resisted preaching to the Gentiles, before national Israel could be saved?

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Acts 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 8
And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

They were not being xenophobic, that timetable was ordained by God.

I used to be puzzled over all these accounts, until I understood that timetable.

 

[Jackson123]

Repenting, believing and confessing can deliver a child of God from many things as he sojourns here on earth, but they are not responsible for his eternal deliverance.

So what responsible for eternal deliverance?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Until you act on the gospel of Jesus Christ, that reality has not manifested.
We might have been predestined, but we still are not pre-born again.

2 Eph 1-5, The spiritually "DEAD" person cannot act on the gospel of Jesus Christ, until he has been regenerated (given a new spiritual life). 1 Cor 2:14 states this real plain. The natural man, before he has been regenerated, cannot discern things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

So what responsible for eternal deliverance?

A person is not responsible in what he says, thinks, or does that will earn him his eternal deliverance. Eternal deliverance is only given by the sovereign grace of God, without any righteous acts of mankind. That is why it is a free gift.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

So what responsible for eternal deliverance?

Eph 2:1-5, says that the natural man is spiritually dead (incapable of repenting, believing in spiritual things, or confessing to breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern) when God regenerates him.

 

[Jackson123]

Ever wondered why, during early Acts, the 12 resisted preaching to the Gentiles, before national Israel could be saved?

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Acts 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 8
And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

They were not being xenophobic, that timetable was ordained by God.

I used to be puzzled over all these accounts, until I understood that timetable.

When, on what year Jews start to preach the gospel to gentile?

 

[Guojing]

When, on what year Jews start to preach the gospel to gentile?

Paul was raised after Stephen was stoned. God raised him to be the apostle to the gentiles

Instead of us being saved thru the rise of Israel in Zechariah 8, we are now saved thru the fall of Israel instead, as Paul would explain in Romans 11:11

 

[Jackson123]

A person is not responsible in what he says, thinks, or does that will earn him his eternal deliverance. Eternal deliverance is only given by the sovereign grace of God, without any righteous acts of mankind. That is why it is a free gift.

John 3:16

King James Version
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Seem to me this verse say we responsible to believe if we want save

 

[Jackson123]

Paul was raised after Stephen was stoned. God raised him to be the apostle to the gentiles

Instead of us being saved thru the rise of Israel in Zechariah 8, we are now saved thru the fall of Israel instead, as Paul would explain in Romans 11:11

So you no longer believe that we save after all Jews save and Jesus sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem don't you?

 

[know1]

Most of the time in the scriptures when save, saved, salvation is used it is referring to a child of God being delivered from something as he sojourns here on earth, and is not referencing eternal deliverance.

Agreed.

 

[know1]

If Moses wouldn't do it, God could have found another person or manner to get it done. We are honored with service to God's will but He isn't dependent on men in any fashion. Not for glory, not for purpose.

Show me in scripture where God didn't use man for His purpose or will to be done.

 

[Guojing]

So you no longer believe that we save after all Jews save and Jesus sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem don't you?

That will still happen but in the age to come

During the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ, there will still be people born on earth then, that will need the light of Christ

 

[know1]

Repenting, believing and confessing can deliver a child of God from many things as he sojourns here on earth, but they are not responsible for his eternal deliverance.

If we are held responsible for our eternal destruction, then we are responsible for our eternal life.
God requires us to act on His promises to obtain salvation.

 

[Jackson123]

That will still happen but in the age to come

During the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ, there will still be people born on earth then, that will need the light of Christ

So you still believe salvation for gentile only happen when Jesus sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem?

 

[Bbrdrd]

Show me in scripture where God didn't use man for His purpose or will to be done.

I mean...there is the whole incarnation thing where He came and took care of sin and all. Th

Show me in scripture where God didn't use man for His purpose or will to be done.

Are you really demanding that I prove to you that God's not dependent on men? Do you really think yourself so grand that the Creator Himself is waiting around for your permission to do what He desires?

 

[Guojing]

So you still believe salvation for gentile only happen when Jesus sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem?

No, I have already stated that in the but now time period, which is now, we are saved thru 1 cor 15:1-4

 

[know1]

2 Eph 1-5, The spiritually "DEAD" person cannot act on the gospel of Jesus Christ, until he has been regenerated (given a new spiritual life). 1 Cor 2:14 states this real plain. The natural man, before he has been regenerated, cannot discern things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness.

The "things of the Spirit", have to do with seeing things from a spiritual perspective or the way God sees things.
The carnally minded Christians, like the unbelievers, cannot see these things of the spirit, for their world is all about what the natural world or realities dictate.

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit, do mind the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

For example, let's say a doctor says you have a certain disease, but someone tells you, God says, you are healed.
But you don't believe that because you have your attention focused on the pain and what the doctor said, rather than on the promises of God.
Those who focus on the natural, are carnally minded and cannot even see the things of the Spirit.
So yeah, there are many born again Christians who are so into the natural, that they cannot discern the things of the spirit.
And before you try to remind me of verse 9, which I did not print, please keep in mind, verse 4.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us [Christian believers], who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[Jackson123]

No, I have already stated that in the but now time period, which is now, we are saved thru 1 cor 15:1-4

But you still believe the command to carry the cross is only for Jews don't you?

 

[know1]

I mean...there is the whole incarnation thing where He came and took care of sin and all. Th

Are you really demanding that I prove to you that God's not dependent on men? Do you really think yourself so grand that the Creator Himself is waiting around for your permission to do what He desires?

What does that have to do with me?
It's about what is written, and I don't see that written.
I see scripture showing God using man for both His purposes and for His will to be accomplished.
And to answer your question, YES, I believe God waits on us before He can do what He desires.

 

[Bbrdrd]

What does that have to do with me?
It's about what is written, and I don't see that written.
I see scripture showing God using man for both His purposes and for His will to be accomplished.
And to answer your question, YES, I believe God waits on us before He can do what He desires.

The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; 25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; (Acts 17:24-25 NASB)