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Yes... indeed it does...

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend. At least as far as that article is concerned.
 

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pretty hard to deal with decades of corruption in 4 years with half the country doing their best to make sure you cannot succeed and hating your guts because they cannot buy you like they have bought so many
Exactly Correct!

President Trump Has and Is rocking the boat, even the republican rhinos are shaking in their boots.

Democrats and Many Republicans alike sold America out to China, NAFTA, for $$$$$$

Trump pulled the swamp plug, the water is so dirty, he's gotta keep the drain clearing for the flush.

Obama's 8 years was the greatest evil, swamp creatures appointed and promited everywhere.
 
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If you're running a hospital (A Business) for profit, and you receive information that all Covid19 related cases are paying 20% more, what is the natural thing to consider?

"Fraudulent" Covid19 Cases, A No Brainer
Most people running a business do not think it is naturally ok to commit fraud. It is sad that people have such a world view of our hospitals and businesses as being majority fraudulent as a corporate culture.

It would not come naturally to put a person on a ventilator who did not need it so you can bill for it. It would not naturally be ignored by the tens of thousands of employees who would be a party to it and not blow the whistle. None of these conspiracy ideas work out when you actually work in a hospital and see the technical details.

No, when you think about it, getting paid for costs that you incur treating severely sick covid patients which is AUDITED is not an incentive to lie to AUDITORS and bill for services and costs that you really did not incur and have your business fined, lose your job and ruin your career chances of every administering another hospital again. Especially if your not the one that would get the benefit of the fraudulent billing. Most of us understand the danger involved in attempting insurance fraud and the difficulty in trying to get away with it, and the vast resourses that insurance companies commit to exposing fraud. Therefore this should help you understand the complexity behind hospital billing and the checks and balances that are in place to prevent fraud.

What comes naturally is to think that a Hospital can say COVID and that the government sends them money without billing or audits. People think it is simple like that because they lack knowledge. It is not that simple. Once you understand the auditing departments, both Internal audit, and External audits, and the departments within the hospitals and corporations called governance risk and compliance you will understand how 90% of conspiracy theories are not technically possible. And you will fill a little foolish, like having egg on your face from your morning breakfast for ever suggesting the theory. But we learn from it and try to do better next time if we want to be considered wise and mature. :)
 
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you are hurting yourself

I simply posted 2 articles that dealt with your scoffing and you scoff even harder. that's on you. no need to go hahaha hysterical
My posts are for everyone who reads them. I was laughing at my coin conspiracy. Trust me someone is going to come up with the bullet theory it if they haven't already. LOL
 
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about the vaccines. let's be real. they are not the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.


With a little luck and a lot of science, the world might in the not-too-distant future get vaccines against Covid-19. But those vaccines won’t necessarily prevent all or even most infections.

In the public imagination, vaccines are often seen effectively as cure-alls, like inoculations against measles.

Rather than those vaccines, however, the Covid-19 vaccines in development may be more like those that protect against influenza — reducing the risk of contracting the disease, and of experiencing severe symptoms should infection occur, a number of experts told STAT.

“We all recognize that flu vaccine, in a year when it’s efficacious, you have what, 50% protection? And in a year when it’s poor you have 30% or less than that — and still we use that,” said Marie-Paule Kieny, who is chairing a committee advising the French government on vaccines to prevent Covid-19.

Ideally, vaccines would prevent infection entirely, inducing what’s known as “sterilizing immunity.” But early work on some of the vaccine candidates suggests they may not stop infection in the upper respiratory tract — and they may not stop an infected person from spreading virus by coughing or speaking.

for the rest of the article
The two reports out this week, one on the mRNA Moderna Vaccine and the other one I forget the name of right now, had great results producing immunity response in all patients tested. Now the 40,000 test proceeds and How long the immunity lasts we will have to wait and see. What I am saying is that the testing for these two are such that THERE IS EVERY REASON to expect them to work. They don't have to work for a lifetime to be effective in solving this crisis. I don't have time to check your flu vaccine facts right now but my guess is that they are more effective than 50%. A simple search at the CDC site should yield the correct information.
 

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Most people running a business do not think it is naturally ok to commit fraud. It is sad that people have such a world view of our hospitals and businesses as being majority fraudulent as a corporate culture.

It would not come naturally to put a person on a ventilator who did not need it so you can bill for it. It would not naturally be ignored by the tens of thousands of employees who would be a party to it and not blow the whistle. None of these conspiracy ideas work out when you actually work in a hospital and see the technical details.

No, when you think about it, getting paid for costs that you incur treating severely sick covid patients which is AUDITED is not an incentive to lie to AUDITORS and bill for services and costs that you really did not incur and have your business fined, lose your job and ruin your career chances of every administering another hospital again. Especially if your not the one that would get the benefit of the fraudulent billing. Most of us understand the danger involved in attempting insurance fraud and the difficulty in trying to get away with it, and the vast resourses that insurance companies commit to exposing fraud. Therefore this should help you understand the complexity behind hospital billing and the checks and balances that are in place to prevent fraud.

What comes naturally is to think that a Hospital can say COVID and that the government sends them money without billing or audits. People think it is simple like that because they lack knowledge. It is not that simple. Once you understand the auditing departments, both Internal audit, and External audits, and the departments within the hospitals and corporations called governance risk and compliance you will understand how 90% of conspiracy theories are not technically possible. And you will fill a little foolish, like having egg on your face from your morning breakfast for ever suggesting the theory. But we learn from it and try to do better next time if we want to be considered wise and mature. :)
New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo (MANDATED) infected elderly be admitted to Convalescent hospitals after being discharged from hospitals?

The Elderly were infected, and killed as a result of this mandate, thousands died!

The Javits Center and Navy Hospital Ship sat empty with Doctors, Nurses, ready and willing to help, (Thousands Of Beds)?

And you mention fraud and business?

Andrew Cuomo is guilty of (MURDER) Genocide of the Elderly, before the world to see, a fact!

New York Post

New York refused to send nursing home’s COVID-19 patients to nearly empty USNS Comfort
By Bernadette Hogan, Carl Campanile and Bruce Golding
April 24, 2020 | 8:19pm

New York health officials were warned in writing that a Brooklyn nursing home where 55 patients have died of coronavirus was overwhelmed — weeks before it began topping the state’s official list of resident COVID-19 deaths, damning emails show.
Cobble Hill Health Center CEO Donny Tuchman sent a desperate email to state Health Department officials on April 9, asking if there was “a way for us to send our suspected covid patients” to the hospital built inside the Javits Convention Center or the US Naval hospital ship Comfort — the under-utilized federal medical facilities on Manhattan’s West Side.
“We don’t have the ability to cohort right now based on staffing and we really want to protect our other patients,” Tuchman wrote in a chain of the emails reviewed by The Post.
 

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Exactly Correct!

President Trump Has and Is rocking the boat, even the republican rhinos are shaking in their boots.

Democrats and Many Republicans alike sold America out to China, NAFTA, for $$$$$$

Trump pulled the swamp plug, the water is so dirty, he's gotta keep the drain clearing for the flush.

Obama's 8 years was the greatest evil, swamp creatures appointed and promited everywhere.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...e-graham-broad-subpoena-power-obama-era-probe

GOP votes to give Graham broad subpoena power in Obama-era probe

The Senate Judiciary Committee has approved subpoenas for over 50 former Obama/Biden administration officials. The authorization gives chairman Lindsey Graham the power to subpoena not only testimony but documents and other materials as well.

The complete list of those who could face subpoenas include:


Trisha Anderson, Brian Auten, James Baker, William Barr, Dana Boente, Jennifer Boone, John Brennan, James Clapper, Kevin Clinesmith, James Comey, Patrick Conlon, Michael Dempsey, Stuart Evans, Tashina Gauhar, Carl Ghattas, Curtis Heide, Kathleen Kavalec, David Laufman, Stephen Laycock, Jacob Lew, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, Mary McCord, Denis McDonough, Arthur McGlynn, Jonathan Moffa, Sally Moyer, Mike Neufield, Sean Newell, Victoria Nuland, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Stephanie L. O’Sullivan, Lisa Page, Joseph Pientka, John Podesta, Samantha Power, E.W. “Bill” Priestap, Sarah Raskin, Steve Ricchetti, Susan Rice, Rod Rosenstein, Gabriel Sanz-Rexach, Nathan Sheets, Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, Glenn Simpson, Steve Somma, Peter Strzok, Michael Sussman, Adam Szubin, Jonathan Winer, Christopher Wray, and Sally Yates.
 
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New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo (MANDATED) infected elderly be admitted to Convalescent hospitals after being discharged from hospitals?

The Elderly were infected, and killed as a result of this mandate, thousands died!

The Javits Center and Navy Hospital Ship sat empty with Doctors, Nurses, ready and willing to help, (Thousands Of Beds)?

And you mention fraud and business?

Andrew Cuomo is guilty of (MURDER) Genocide of the Elderly, before the world to see, a fact!
Is this representative for your credibility in general?
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...e-graham-broad-subpoena-power-obama-era-probe

GOP votes to give Graham broad subpoena power in Obama-era probe

The Senate Judiciary Committee has approved subpoenas for over 50 former Obama/Biden administration officials. The authorization gives chairman Lindsey Graham the power to subpoena not only testimony but documents and other materials as well.

The complete list of those who could face subpoenas include:

Trisha Anderson, Brian Auten, James Baker, William Barr, Dana Boente, Jennifer Boone, John Brennan, James Clapper, Kevin Clinesmith, James Comey, Patrick Conlon, Michael Dempsey, Stuart Evans, Tashina Gauhar, Carl Ghattas, Curtis Heide, Kathleen Kavalec, David Laufman, Stephen Laycock, Jacob Lew, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, Mary McCord, Denis McDonough, Arthur McGlynn, Jonathan Moffa, Sally Moyer, Mike Neufield, Sean Newell, Victoria Nuland, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Stephanie L. O’Sullivan, Lisa Page, Joseph Pientka, John Podesta, Samantha Power, E.W. “Bill” Priestap, Sarah Raskin, Steve Ricchetti, Susan Rice, Rod Rosenstein, Gabriel Sanz-Rexach, Nathan Sheets, Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, Glenn Simpson, Steve Somma, Peter Strzok, Michael Sussman, Adam Szubin, Jonathan Winer, Christopher Wray, and Sally Yates.
Can you imagine, turn the lights on and cockroaches are running everywhere!

The tried the (Coup) and it Failed, rats in the corners are gonna be turning and biting, trying to save their own life.

Sad to see the mastermind Obama isn't on the list, when the cockroaches can't hide anylonger, they will turn on their leader.
 

cv5

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New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo (MANDATED) infected elderly be admitted to Convalescent hospitals after being discharged from hospitals?

The Elderly were infected, and killed as a result of this mandate, thousands died!

The Javits Center and Navy Hospital Ship sat empty with Doctors, Nurses, ready and willing to help, (Thousands Of Beds)?

And you mention fraud and business?

Andrew Cuomo is guilty of (MURDER) Genocide of the Elderly, before the world to see, a fact!

New York Post

New York refused to send nursing home’s COVID-19 patients to nearly empty USNS Comfort
By Bernadette Hogan, Carl Campanile and Bruce Golding
April 24, 2020 | 8:19pm

New York health officials were warned in writing that a Brooklyn nursing home where 55 patients have died of coronavirus was overwhelmed — weeks before it began topping the state’s official list of resident COVID-19 deaths, damning emails show.
Cobble Hill Health Center CEO Donny Tuchman sent a desperate email to state Health Department officials on April 9, asking if there was “a way for us to send our suspected covid patients” to the hospital built inside the Javits Convention Center or the US Naval hospital ship Comfort — the under-utilized federal medical facilities on Manhattan’s West Side.
“We don’t have the ability to cohort right now based on staffing and we really want to protect our other patients,” Tuchman wrote in a chain of the emails reviewed by The Post.
People trusted him and they died. No doubt about that. His state still suffers the ravages of his support for the BLM mob. How he can wake up in the morning and look himself in the mirror is beyond me. Give it time...... more people will die at his hands.
 

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Can you imagine, turn the lights on and cockroaches are running everywhere!

The tried the (Coup) and it Failed, rats in the corners are gonna be turning and biting, trying to save their own life.

Sad to see the mastermind Obama isn't on the list, when the cockroaches can't hide anylonger, they will turn on their leader.
It's going to be a tough nut to crack. What you need in a case like this are people who flip and squeal and turn states evidence to avoid jail time.
 
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Can you imagine, turn the lights on and cockroaches are running everywhere!

The tried the (Coup) and it Failed, rats in the corners are gonna be turning and biting, trying to save their own life.

Sad to see the mastermind Obama isn't on the list, when the cockroaches can't hide anylonger, they will turn on their leader.
You’re aligning human beings with cockroaches. That’s plain dehumanization and really tells the tale on you and your character.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
 

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You’re aligning human beings with cockroaches. That’s plain dehumanization and really tells the tale on you and your character.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
I thought cockroaches would be a better term than (Treasonous Traitors)

You have picked the wrong person, trying to apply your Liberal Leftist (Political Correctness ) on :)

My Lord Jesus Christ didn't mix words in political correctness, he told it like it was!

Progressive Liberal Leftist are the modern day Scribes and Pharisees

Matthew 23:29-33KJV

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
 
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Exactly Correct!

President Trump Has and Is rocking the boat, even the republican rhinos are shaking in their boots.

Democrats and Many Republicans alike sold America out to China, NAFTA, for $$$$$$

Trump pulled the swamp plug, the water is so dirty, he's gotta keep the drain clearing for the flush.

Obama's 8 years was the greatest evil, swamp creatures appointed and promited everywhere.
just so
 
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I thought cockroaches would be a better term than (Treasonous Traitors)

You have picked the wrong person, trying to apply your Liberal Leftist (Political Correctness ) on :)

My Lord Jesus Christ didn't mix words in political correctness, he told it like it was!

Progressive Liberal Leftist are the modern day Scribes and Pharisees

Matthew 23:29-33KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
I didn’t pick you. If you’d stayed away from me we wouldn’t have any of this. And please don’t be using the Holy Bible to back up your ludicrous attacks.
 
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Most people running a business do not think it is naturally ok to commit fraud. It is sad that people have such a world view of our hospitals and businesses as being majority fraudulent as a corporate culture.

oh yeah? my husband and I were hit broadside by some dude and I had xrays. to the tune of 7000.oo K. half of them were not even the place that was hurting. the administrator of the hospital visited me and chatted me up while I was waiting for the results. of course the insurance did not end up paying that much, but 7000.00 not fraud? where I come from that is fraud.

thank you but I have a CHRISTIAN worldview which would be understanding that the world systems are not God's systems. I am honestly surprised you seem to be ignorant of such things. Don't the Pentecostals understand the scriptures that apply to how the devil operates in the world? You know I was in David Wilkerson's Times square church before his death and he did not seem ignorant but then he was not your typical Pentecostal either
 
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My posts are for everyone who reads them. I was laughing at my coin conspiracy. Trust me someone is going to come up with the bullet theory it if they haven't already. LOL
well they certainly are so I would be a little more careful of just blowing off anything contrary to your opinions

your lol is such a typical ploy to make yourself sound superior :rolleyes::cautious:

I don't trust you. you can quote me on that
 
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The two reports out this week, one on the mRNA Moderna Vaccine and the other one I forget the name of right now, had great results producing immunity response in all patients tested. Now the 40,000 test proceeds and How long the immunity lasts we will have to wait and see. What I am saying is that the testing for these two are such that THERE IS EVERY REASON to expect them to work. They don't have to work for a lifetime to be effective in solving this crisis. I don't have time to check your flu vaccine facts right now but my guess is that they are more effective than 50%. A simple search at the CDC site should yield the correct information.

COVID-19 (coronavirus) vaccine: Get the facts

A vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is perhaps the best hope for ending the pandemic. Currently, there is no vaccine to prevent infection with the COVID-19 virus, but researchers are racing to create one.

Coronavirus vaccine research

Coronaviruses are a family of viruses that cause illnesses such as the common cold, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). COVID-19 is caused by a virus that's closely related to the one that causes SARS. For this reason, scientists named the new virus SARS-CoV-2.


While vaccine development can take years, researchers aren't starting from scratch to develop a COVID-19 vaccine. Past research on SARS and MERS vaccines has identified potential approaches.

Coronaviruses have a spike-like structure on their surface called an S protein. (The spikes create the corona-like, or crown-like, appearance that gives the viruses their name.) The S protein attaches to the surface of human cells. A vaccine that targets this protein would prevent it from binding to human cells and stop the virus from reproducing.

Coronavirus vaccine challenges

Past research on vaccines for coronaviruses has also identified some challenges to developing a COVID-19 vaccine, including:

  • Ensuring vaccine safety. Several vaccines for SARS have been tested in animals. Most of the vaccines improved the animals' survival but didn't prevent infection. Some vaccines also caused complications, such as lung damage. A COVID-19 vaccine will need to be thoroughly tested to make sure it's safe for humans.
  • Providing long-term protection. After infection with coronaviruses, re-infection with the same virus — though usually mild and only happening in a fraction of people — is possible after a period of months or years. An effective COVID-19 vaccine will need to provide people with long-term infection protection.
  • Protecting older people. People older than age 50 are at higher risk of severe COVID-19. But older people usually don't respond to vaccines as well as younger people. An ideal COVID-19 vaccine would work well for this age group.
 
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from the same article


The development of vaccines can take years. This is especially true when the vaccines involve new technologies that haven't been tested for safety or adapted to allow for mass production.
Why does it take so long? First, a vaccine is tested in animals to see if it works and if it's safe. This testing must follow strict lab guidelines and generally takes three to six months. The manufacturing of vaccines also must follow quality and safety practices.


Next comes testing in humans. Small phase I clinical trials evaluate the safety of the vaccine in humans. During phase II, the formulation and doses of the vaccine are established to prove the vaccine's effectiveness. Finally, during phase III, the safety and efficacy of a vaccine need to be demonstrated in a larger group of people.
Because of the seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic, vaccine regulators might fast-track some of these steps. But it's unlikely that a COVID-19 vaccine will become available sooner than six months after clinical trials start. Realistically, a vaccine will take 12 to 18 months or longer to develop and test in human clinical trials. And we don't know yet whether an effective vaccine is possible for this virus.
If a vaccine is approved, it will take time to produce, distribute and administer to the global population. Because people have no immunity to the COVID-19 virus, it's likely that two vaccinations will be needed, three to four weeks apart. People would likely start to achieve immunity to the COVID-19 virus one to two weeks after the second vaccination.
A lot of work remains. Still, the number of pharmaceutical companies, governments and other agencies working on a COVID-19 vaccine is cause for hope.
How to protect yourself and prevent COVID-19 infection

Until a COVID-19 vaccine is available, infection prevention is crucial. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommend following these precautions for avoiding infection with the COVID-19 virus:

  • Avoid close contact. This means avoiding close contact (within about 6 feet, or 2 meters) with anyone who is sick or has symptoms. Also, avoid large events and mass gatherings.
  • Wear cloth face coverings in public places. Cloth face coverings offer extra protection in places such as the grocery store, where it's difficult to avoid close contact with others. They are especially suggested in areas with ongoing community spread. This updated advice is based on data showing that people with COVID-19 can transmit the virus before they realize they have it. Using masks in public may help reduce the spread from people who don't have symptoms. Non-medical cloth masks are recommended for the public. Surgical masks and N-95 respirators are in short supply and should be reserved for health care providers.
  • Practice good hygiene. Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, or use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol. Cover your mouth and nose with your elbow or a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw away the used tissue. Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth. Avoid sharing dishes, glasses, bedding and other household items if you're sick. Clean and disinfect high-touch surfaces daily.
  • Stay home if you're sick. If you aren't feeling well, stay home unless you're going to get medical care. Avoid going to work, school and public areas and don't take public transportation.
 
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oh yeah? my husband and I were hit broadside by some dude and I had xrays. to the tune of 7000.oo K. half of them were not even the place that was hurting. the administrator of the hospital visited me and chatted me up while I was waiting for the results. of course the insurance did not end up paying that much, but 7000.00 not fraud? where I come from that is fraud.

thank you but I have a CHRISTIAN worldview which would be understanding that the world systems are not God's systems. I am honestly surprised you seem to be ignorant of such things. Don't the Pentecostals understand the scriptures that apply to how the devil operates in the world? You know I was in David Wilkerson's Times square church before his death and he did not seem ignorant but then he was not your typical Pentecostal either
I knew Brother Dave. He would tell me dont get into arguments with people on here.