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fredoheaven

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Regenerated means to be re-formed, to come into existence. The word is not in the scriptures, but it means to be reborn, as in the new birth. Regenerate means a born again believer, which is the only way that a person can believe in the things of the Spirit, according to 1 Cor 2:14.
Titus 3:5

“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;”

Re= Again
generation = the act of generating, re-birth
 
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John 9:4
4While it is daytime, we must do the works of Him who sent Me. Night is coming, when no one can work.

we must work in the Day Time where the Light (Jesus) is.

we can't Work in the Night -- where Jesus isn't, we must work in the Day Light.


John 9:5
5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”…

we must stay In the Light to do the Works of Jesus, just as He did the Work/Works of His Father. we must Work too.


Where there is no Light -- there are no Works. the Less Light there is -- the Less Works.
As we have discussed recently 1 John 3:15, you can see that the apostle John was consistent in his teaching in both the gospel of John, as well as his letters to the Jews

Yes, John is definitely clear in teaching that works, especially works of love, are critical in one being saved when Jesus finally return for them.
 
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I'm more concerned with what Jesus actually said
Jesus said plenty about unprofitable servants and their fate with the unbelievers. But men are free to follow “feel good” philosophies after men’s traditions if they wish to do so.
 
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Is that posible for a person abide in Him and no bear fruit?
John 15
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Seem to me jesus promise for a person that abide in Him bear fruit.
It doesn't say bear fruit for awhile than stop.
Was the prodigal son bearing fruit While he was in the world?
 

ForestGreenCook

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Eph 2:1~ As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, refers back to: Man in his natural state is “dead in trespasses and sins” until he is “made alive” (regenerated)... which was the whole point of the post in explaining what regeneration is.
I agree with your statement in this post, but the natural man, before he is regenerated, does not have spiritual faith, which is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, which is given in regeneration. The natural man only has faith in man, and his accomplishments.
 

mailmandan

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Jesus said plenty about unprofitable servants and their fate with the unbelievers. But men are free to follow “feel good” philosophies after men’s traditions if they wish to do so.
In regards to the parable of the unprofitable servant, the first two servants deposited their talents with the bankers (Matthew 25:27) but the third servant buried his talent in the ground (Matthew 25:25). The third servant had been given a talent according to his ability and the opportunity to believe and bear fruit in accordance, but chose to reject it.

The fact that the latter man in this parable is called "wicked" and "lazy" and an "unprofitable" servant (Matthew 25:26-30) who is "cast out into outer darkness," certainly indicates that he was not a true disciple of the master. The idea of this illustrative parable is that all true believers will produce fruit in varying degress. All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23) Those who produce no results at all were not truly converted.

This man's characterization of the master maligns him as "reaping and gathering what he had no right to claim as his own." This wicked so-called servant does not represent a genuine believer and it's obvious that he had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness.

*The fact that this man is called a "servant" does not necessarily mean that he was saved. *The children of Israel were called "servants" but they were not all saved.

Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Isaiah 43:10 - “You (Israel vs. 1) are My witnesses,” says the Lord, And My servant whom I have chosen..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Regenerated means to be re-formed, to come into existence. The word is not in the scriptures, but it means to be reborn, as in the new birth. Regenerate means a born again believer, which is the only way that a person can believe in the things of the Spirit, according to 1 Cor 2:14.
Regeneration is found in titus, it is performed by god

its meaning is a person who was dead in sin is made alive or regenerated in Christ

Eph 2: 1. And you who were dead in trespasses sin he made alive (Quicken or regenerate)

Eph 2: 5 even when we were dead in trespasses and sin he made us alive (quickened or regenerated). By grace you have been saved

how?

eph 2: 8-9. For it is by grace you have been saved THROUGH FAITH

there is no salvation apart from faith, no regeneration. Apart from salvation
 

ForestGreenCook

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Colossians 1:21-23 KJV
[21] And you, that were once alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [22] In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [23] If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away...

We must continue in the faith.

We do have a role.

The Bible tells me so.
John 10:27-28, My sheep (born again children of God) hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life, and THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH.

Once we are born again, we have fellowship with God. Even though we have been born again, we still carry the baggage of our fleshly nature that causes us, sometimes, to yield our bodies to commit sins, and when we do so, we are out of fellowship with God, and are not continuing in faith. This does not mean that we have lost our eternal inheritance.

All scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Regeneration is found in titus, it is performed by god

its meaning is a person who was dead in sin is made alive or regenerated in Christ

Eph 2: 1. And you who were dead in trespasses sin he made alive (Quicken or regenerate)

Eph 2: 5 even when we were dead in trespasses and sin he made us alive (quickened or regenerated). By grace you have been saved

how?

eph 2: 8-9. For it is by grace you have been saved THROUGH FAITH

there is no salvation apart from faith, no regeneration. Apart from salvation
I stand corrected. Thank you.
The "faith" in Eph 2:8 is not mankind's faith, but it is Christ's faith. Romans 3:22, Even the righteousness of God, which is by faith of Jesus Christ. Gal 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. .Gal 2:20. I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me, and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God.

Before we are born again, we only have the faith of man, and his accomplishments. We only have spiritual faith after we have been born again, and have been given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
 
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I stand corrected. Thank you.
The "faith" in Eph 2:8 is not mankind's faith, but it is Christ's faith. Romans 3:22, Even the righteousness of God, which is by faith of Jesus Christ. Gal 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. .Gal 2:20. I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me, and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God.

Before we are born again, we only have the faith of man, and his accomplishments. We only have spiritual faith after we have been born again, and have been given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Wrong

No matter how many times you insist

No one is made alive while still under the penalty of sin

Justification must precede regeneration or more precisely, regeneration is the result of being justified (Being cleared its made right with god by the forgiveness of sin which is the cause of our spiritual death) and scripture time and time again says we are justified by faith.
And not Jesus faith if it was the result of Jesus faith all mankind would be saved because I am quite sure Jesus has enough faith for everyone
 

Magenta

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I agree with your statement in this post, but the natural man, before he is regenerated, does not have spiritual faith, which is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, which is given in regeneration. The natural man only has faith in man, and his accomplishments.
Why the "but"? I ever said man in his natural state has spiritual faith.
You seem determined to read things into my posts that are simply not there.
 
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THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH.
THEY KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

MANY WILL SAY LORD, LORD.

By the way; have you been hearing his voice lately?

“Go and sin no more?” (John 8:11)

THOSE are the ones that will never perish. Not the ones who THINK they are once saved always saved.
 

mailmandan

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Unbelievers do not serve God or Christ.
Yet there are numerous “nominal” Christians/make believers (mixed in with genuine believers throughout various churches) who think they serve God. Even the Pharisees thought they were serving God, yet they were not genuine believers, but were unbelievers and Jesus called them out multiple times on their hypocrisy.
 
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Even the Pharisees thought they were serving God,
The Pharisees were hypocrites; telling people to obey the scriptures while they themselves did not lay a finger on the burdens they were laying on people’s shoulders. They were serving their own traditional religious precepts, not God. Much like OSAS’ers today.

Bad example.
 

mailmandan

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The Pharisees were hypocrites; telling people to obey the scriptures while they themselves did not lay a finger on the burdens they were laying on people’s shoulders. They were serving their own traditional religious precepts, not God. Much like OSAS’ers today.

Bad example.
The Pharisees are not a bad example of false believers, but are a prime example. OSAS has nothing to do with the traditional religious precepts of the Pharisees, but attacking OSAS has everything to do with your biased agenda.
 
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The Pharisees were hypocrites; telling people to obey the scriptures while they themselves did not lay a finger on the burdens they were laying on people’s shoulders. They were serving their own traditional religious precepts, not God. Much like OSAS’ers today.

Bad example.
i feel sorry for you man, one day your gonna meet God and realize just how much a sinner you are.
 
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The Pharisees were hypocrites; telling people to obey the scriptures while they themselves did not lay a finger on the burdens they were laying on people’s shoulders. They were serving their own traditional religious precepts, not God. Much like OSAS’ers today.

Bad example.
Actually that would describe those who add to the Gospel the lie and error known as "loss of salvation." Both they and Pharisees think their good works, efforts &c contribute to the cross and law obedience respectively and thereby deny the Gospel which is justification by faith, one link in the unbreakable link of the golden chain of redemption, Romans 8:29-30. It is also a denial of the words of Christ in John 10:27-28, and a denial that all drawn are given, saved, and will be raised, John 6:44. These are the meaning and sense of what Christ stated, all given, drawn, and saved will be raised.

So the burden that is being lain upon others stems from your errant "gospel" of works salvation. Most of your error comes from your inability and refusal to distinguish between texts describing true and false converts and misconstruing them as what one must do to enter heaven.

0n this basis I reject your false gospel as damnable heresy.