Walking By The Spirit
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What makes you think "nobody" understands this truth?
Many believers understand the sabbath rest in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ... and some of the many believers who understand this rest are members here at CC.
Yes ... and God tells us how "sin in our old man nature" occurs in those who are born again:
James 1:
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Here we are warned that we are drawn away and enticed. If you look at the words drawn away and enticed in the Greek, they are hunting terms.
drawn away = Greek exelkó. From Thayer's:
I agree with Thayer's definition except for the "self-restraint" part. I believe we are allured from the safety of abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ. It is only in the Lord Jesus Christ that we are able to overcome the lusts of our flesh (But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof - Rom 13:14).
enticed = Greek deleazó. From HELPS Word-studies:
God warns and warns us ... He tells us exactly how we are drawn away. As we grow and mature spiritually in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are able to recognize the "bait" ... the "trap" ... and our being drawn away occurs less and less frequently. We realize that the bait, the enticement, is not worth leaving our abode in the Lord Jesus Christ.
There's also a verse in Ephesians where we are told the "old man" is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts (Eph 4:22). The lusts deceive us into thinking something is good for us when in all actuality, that which we think is good for us draws us away from the Lord. pretty slick ...
Many believers understand the sabbath rest in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ... and some of the many believers who understand this rest are members here at CC.
Yes ... and God tells us how "sin in our old man nature" occurs in those who are born again:
James 1:
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Here we are warned that we are drawn away and enticed. If you look at the words drawn away and enticed in the Greek, they are hunting terms.
drawn away = Greek exelkó. From Thayer's:
where the metaphor is taken from hunting and fishing: as game is lured from its covert, so man by lust is allured from the safety of self-restraint to sin
I agree with Thayer's definition except for the "self-restraint" part. I believe we are allured from the safety of abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ. It is only in the Lord Jesus Christ that we are able to overcome the lusts of our flesh (But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof - Rom 13:14).
enticed = Greek deleazó. From HELPS Word-studies:
properly, to bait a hook or set a trap with bait; (figuratively) entice a victim into a moral trap, luring them in through their own selfish impulses.
God warns and warns us ... He tells us exactly how we are drawn away. As we grow and mature spiritually in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are able to recognize the "bait" ... the "trap" ... and our being drawn away occurs less and less frequently. We realize that the bait, the enticement, is not worth leaving our abode in the Lord Jesus Christ.
There's also a verse in Ephesians where we are told the "old man" is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts (Eph 4:22). The lusts deceive us into thinking something is good for us when in all actuality, that which we think is good for us draws us away from the Lord. pretty slick ...
I responded to a couple of issues you brought up in your multi-issue post. I do not believe there is any site rule which states I much reply to every single point in posts you submit.
And I note you once again focus attention on yourself rather than respond to or with Scripture.
Again ...
Why do you believe that those of us who are cognizant of the warnings God gives to the believer in the Church epistles and live in light of the truth of God's Word concerning those warnings believe that "our obedience to written laws are necessary" for "salvation and righteousness"?
Has it ever dawned on you that the reason believers heed God's warnings has everything to do with abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ ... warning us to not be drawn away from Him? If we pay no mind to God's warnings to us (you included), we (you included) may just find the works of the flesh exhibited in our lives. When we abide in the Vine, the result is "much fruit" ...
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
And I note you once again focus attention on yourself rather than respond to or with Scripture.
Again ...
Why do you believe that those of us who are cognizant of the warnings God gives to the believer in the Church epistles and live in light of the truth of God's Word concerning those warnings believe that "our obedience to written laws are necessary" for "salvation and righteousness"?
Has it ever dawned on you that the reason believers heed God's warnings has everything to do with abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ ... warning us to not be drawn away from Him? If we pay no mind to God's warnings to us (you included), we (you included) may just find the works of the flesh exhibited in our lives. When we abide in the Vine, the result is "much fruit" ...
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
YEAH MAN!
Seeking me the kingdom!
Seeking me all that righteousness!
It's Gonna get so Fruity
Gonna make like this all the time.
Seeking me the kingdom!
Seeking me all that righteousness!
It's Gonna get so Fruity
Gonna make like this all the time.
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The context I wrote in is Romans 7 where Paul talks about what occurs to the believer who still thinks the Law applies to them. They end up spiritually dying by the commandment and realize that the commandment does not produce life. The war is with their flesh because they are still believing the Law has power over them. In the eighth chapter of Romans is where it explains how we overcome this whole issue by living in the spirit and being dead to the Law. We cannot live by faith in what Christ has done for us and still think our obedience to written laws are necessary. To do so takes away from the perfect work of Christ and places salvation and righteousness back in our own hands. I can't help you any further if you do not understand what I just wrote.
The law has no power over us but it is written on our hearts because love fulfills the law. For me personally I like David find life and joy in obeying his law, not by my owns efforst but because the closer we are to him and the more of his love that is in us the more we just instinctively follow it.
It is only a burden on the unbeliever or those who believe works will save them
It is only a burden on the unbeliever or those who believe works will save them
He was not attacking you and I have told you before Peter you have not graduated from the bible because it actually does speak of it
1 Peter 3:20-22
who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.
Acts 10:47
“Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?
1 John 5:6
This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
1 Peter 3:20-22
who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.
Acts 10:47
“Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?
1 John 5:6
This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.