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Jackson123

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preacher4truth said:
You talk a lot about robbing banks. Are you planning a bank robbery? :)

I know you're not, just messing with you brother! 👍
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I have a funny experience with Muslim, I was believe after become Christian what's ever you do, you go to heaven, because salvation not by work.

Than this Pakistany Muslim respon, that is what I want, let rob the bank, any way we still go to heaven.

Me: we will go to prison

Muslim: tell judge Jesus forgive me and die for my sin so you don't have the right to put me in prison.

Than I talk to my Christian friend about I believe that doctrine is unbiblical bible say thieves, liar killer not inherit the kingdom.

My Christian friend say. That verse is only for non Christian.

I am not agree with her,

For her. If non Christian rob the bank go to hell but if Christian rob the bank, no problem only lose the reward.

Why that verse not say ok for Christian to rob the bank

That conversation with pakistany muslim cause me to always talking about rob the bank because it change my Theology
 
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preacher4truth

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Jackson123 said:
I have a funny experience with Muslim, I was believe after become Christian what's ever you do, you go to heaven, because salvation not by work.

Than this Pakistany Muslim respon, that is what I want, let rob the bank, any way we still go to heaven.

Me: we will go to prison

Muslim: tell judge Jesus forgive me and die for my sin so you don't have the right to put me in prison.

Than I talk to my Christian friend about I believe that doctrine is unbiblical bible say thieves, liar killer not inherit the kingdom.

My Christian friend say. That verse is only for non Christian.

I am not agree with her,

For her. If non Christian rob the bank go to hell but if Christian rob the bank, no problem only lose the reward.

Why that verse not say ok for Christian to rob the bank

That conversation with pakistany muslim cause me to always talking about rob the bank because it change my Theology
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Yes, that is the heresy of Antimomianism. Can live however one wants, still to go heaven when you die, "no works" taken to an asinine, unbiblical end. They are not only dead wrong but are in grave danger.
 
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Micaiah-imla

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eternally-gratefull said:
The more we mature the more sinful we realize we are
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I feel sorry for you.

Whatever wisdom leads you to say such anti-biblical statements like these should be avoided and expunged from your mind ASAP!

But as he which hath called you is holy, so be yourselves holy in all manner of conduct; Because it is written, Be holy; for I am holy (1 Peter 1:15-16).

I guess this verse is a lie because "the more mature we are the more sinful we realize we are".

Let him avoid evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and pursue it. For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil (1 Peter 3:11-12).

I guess the face of the Lord will always be against us because "the more mature we are the more sinful we realize we are".

Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conduct in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing (1 Peter 3:16-17).

Another verse that must be a lie since it is impossible to put evildoers to shame since we are as sinful as they are; because "the more mature we are the more sinful we realize we are".

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God (1 Peter 4:1-2).

Yet another scripture that must be a lie since "the more mature we are the more sinful we realize we are".

You really need to do the following:

Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causes to err from the words of knowledge (Proverbs 19:27),
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
This is what you thumbs down represents, sir.
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I don't agree with much of what @eternally-gratefull teaches, among other issues, but what he stated in that short excerpt was absolutely spot on correct.

So that said, sorry my friend, but you don't understand the gospel, justification or sanctification at all. If you think you're sinless you need a true encounter with Christ, it will utterly destroy your prideful arrogance. I hope this happens in time and not in the other dimension where we are all headed.
 
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Micaiah-imla

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preacher4truth said:
If you think you're sinless you need a true encounter with Christ, it will utterly destroy your prideful arrogance.
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I marvel at YOUR arrogance in the face to scripture.

My God; what the doctrines of men do to men's minds is dangerous.

And God turns over people who deny scripture to see them no more.

I pray this is not the case with you yet.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie ...And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not suitable; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them (Romans 1:24-25; 28-32).
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jackson123 said:
My brother, confess mean admid. That is good start but we have to go to the next step, and that is regred an fell sorry of what we did.

Say we rob the bank, than we confess, God I robe the bank, then we do it again tomorrow,

I don't think that is what God want.

Yes we need to confess but not stop there, if we get millions from that robery and we use 1000, we have 999000 left, come to the bank give back that left over and say sorry, promise to pay another 1000 that we use as soon as we can.

One again, confess is good start, but repent must be the next step.
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Repent does not mean feel sorry

i do not know a believer who does not regret any sin they committed

if you do not feel regret or feel gods chastening I would wonder f they were truly saved. But I would never judge them that’s Gods job
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jackson123 said:
Coveting is a sin of most people, me too some time do the same sin as you do. And I know it is sin.
But I learn the more I think and focus of the thing that eternal the easier I deal with coveting sin.

2 Corinthians 4:18

“While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.”

Say our friend buy new car, $ 50000it nice and we covet.
Compare with eternal heaven that we have, cost more than trillion dollar why we jealous.

If we have $ billions do we jealous to person that have $ 50000?

1 john 2

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Another medicine from apostle john to cure the sin is coveting. If we not love the thing on the world, we not going to covet if our friend have nice car. Because Or pride of nice car. This verse say pride of life is not of the Father, but of the world and we don't know how long the world last?

I remember when I was child, I was covet when my friend have a new toy, I ask my dad to buy that toy. One day after 20 years, I found that toy, and I think it was stupid, why I cry for that toy? It look funny
After being adult we think what we did was funny.

That will happen when our faith growing up. We not covet earthly thing anymore.
But some time I still do
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I agree here

but then again, is coveting worse in the spiritual world than murder or porn or sexual sin?

remember james said if you stumble in even one command your guilty of all.

thats why we should not judge a person because they commit one or two sins, for we are just as guilty to judge them is to judge ourself
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Micaiah-imla said:
I feel sorry for you.

Whatever wisdom leads you to say such anti-biblical statements like these should be avoided and expunged from your mind ASAP!

But as he which hath called you is holy, so be yourselves holy in all manner of conduct; Because it is written, Be holy; for I am holy (1 Peter 1:15-16).

I guess this verse is a lie because "the more mature we are the more sinful we realize we are".

Let him avoid evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and pursue it. For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil (1 Peter 3:11-12).

I guess the face of the Lord will always be against us because "the more mature we are the more sinful we realize we are".

Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conduct in Christ. For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing (1 Peter 3:16-17).

Another verse that must be a lie since it is impossible to put evildoers to shame since we are as sinful as they are; because "the more mature we are the more sinful we realize we are".

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God (1 Peter 4:1-2).

Yet another scripture that must be a lie since "the more mature we are the more sinful we realize we are".

You really need to do the following:

Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causes to err from the words of knowledge (Proverbs 19:27),
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Oh maybe Paul’s example. A man who after years in the ministey still considered himself a chief of sinners and one who continued to run the race because he knew he did not arrive.

do not feel sorry for me, Praise god for continuing to expose the in in my life and not keeping it from me, continuing to keep his promise fod continuing to complex what he started in me when I was born again.

now you I feel sorry for. For some reason god is not exposing your sin, or he is and you are not listening? Either way, one day you will know.
 
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Micaiah-imla

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eternally-gratefull said:
Repent does not mean feel sorry
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Yes it does.

The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas (Matthew 12:41).

Now let's see what the Ninevites did as a result of this repentance:

So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them... For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. (Jonah 3:5-8)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Micaiah-imla said:
Yes it does.

The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas (Matthew 12:41).

Now let's see what the Ninevites did as a result of this repentance:

So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them... For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. (Jonah 3:5-8)
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They repented.

it means they admitted what they were guilty of what they were accused of and change their thinking

their repentance CAUSED all those thing they did
 
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Micaiah-imla

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eternally-gratefull said:
Oh maybe Paul’s example. A man who after years in the ministey still considered himself a chief of sinners
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Lie.

He was merely showing that a man like him, who previously persecuted Christians, was able to be saved; showing as an example to others, no matter how sinful they are in their life, that if Paul (who was chief of the sinnners) could be saved, so could anyone else as well.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Micaiah-imla said:
Lie.

He was merely showing that a man like him, who previously persecuted Christians, was able to be saved; showing as an example to others, no matter how sinful they are in their life, that if Paul (who was chief of the sinnners) could be saved, so could anyone else as well.
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i do not even Know what to say other than I doubt there is anything anyone can tell you to help you see
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Micaiah-imla said:
They were SORROWFUL.

Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. (Luke 17:3).
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If he change his mind and admit guilt forgive him
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Micaiah-imla said:
Get in the Bible more frequently and perhaps the Lord will open your eyes to the truth.
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Same could be said of you

if this is how you wish to, discuss this good day, Because discussion is not going to happen
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Micaiah-imla said:
Is there anything someone could tell you to convince you that God predetermines who is saved and who is lost?

And; why not?
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Yeah, I actually believe god does

bit they have to convince me how this is predetermined
 
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