mysticism and science

[Dece81]

Yes I don't like opening myself up or trying to channel energies. Ouija boards are dangerous too. I do believe in the type of meditation we did in martial arts where you think about a still pool of water and try to control your breathing. That was just a relaxation/de-stressing technique which helped us focus in karate class instead of being tense about whatever was bothering us that day.

I also believe in auras and that some can see them, and I believe some people have the gift of prophesy too. Some of the propheseers get their power from the "other side", but some get them from God and the Holy Spirit. I know there are a lot of charlatans too. I never dialed the Psychic Hotline lol. So, thats my take on the "4th dimension" if you will.

Anyone can see aura's, you just have to know how to look. It's all about "raising energy". Last sunday in church the pastor's aura was so bright it glowed because of the energy the congregation gave forth towards the sermon.

Thats the basis of witchcraft, putting that intention based energy out into the atmosphere. Same as praying, you put your hopes and well wishes out there and hope they get answered.

The concept is the same, the dogma surround it is not. I see alot of parallels and it fascinates me.

 

[zeroturbulence]

Anyone can see aura's, you just have to know how to look. It's all about "raising energy". Last sunday in church the pastor's aura was so bright it glowed because of the energy the congregation gave forth towards the sermon.

Thats the basis of witchcraft, putting that intention based energy out into the atmosphere. Same as praying, you put your hopes and well wishes out there and hope they get answered.

The concept is the same, the dogma surround it is not. I see alot of parallels and it fascinates me.

Thats interesting that you find a relationship between prayer and witchcraft because when I first accepted Christ I wondered if my prayers were heard but then I remembered how powerful incantations in witchcraft can be and they are just words, same as prayers, and that is how I began taking my prayers more seriously. I mean I know God is not a genie that does what we command, but I'm just saying that our words during prayer have much more power behind them than we think.

I wish I could see auras. You might think everyone can do it, and maybe everyone can, but maybe its a very special gift too.

 

[AnandaHya]

the difference is who are you praying to and worshiping. you should always pray to God and ask that He protect you and keep you from doing anything foolish.

Meditation should be upon what you can do FOR God not what you can make God do for you.

that is the difference between Christian prayers and Witchcraft. Witches think they can control God.

The tools may be the same but the purpose or heart is totally different. Just like some people may make public prayers so men can think they are holy but inside they do not really believe in God.

God sees the heart of people.

I just wanted to show people that this isn't "magic" and there is only fake "mystery" surrounding it.

Its no more or less complex then understanding electricity and how the human nervous system and mind works.

 

[zone]

Thats interesting that you find a relationship between prayer and witchcraft because when I first accepted Christ I wondered if my prayers were heard but then I remembered how powerful incantations in witchcraft can be and they are just words, same as prayers, and that is how I began taking my prayers more seriously. I mean I know God is not a genie that does what we command, but I'm just saying that our words during prayer have much more power behind them than we think.

I wish I could see auras. You might think everyone can do it, and maybe everyone can, but maybe its a very special gift too.

there is no "power" in our words: either during prayer or at any other time.
tread carefully, this is the WORD FAITH "jesus".

the only POWER we have at our disposal is the gracious hearing and answering of our petitions by The Almighty.

 

[Dece81]

that is the difference between Christian prayers and Witchcraft. Witches think they can control God.
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This is UNTRUE. Pagans do not believe they can CONTROL God. They simply put forth their intentions towards a goal. They do feel certain Gods can help them with things and they ask various God for helps with various things, such at Catholics do for saints. There are Christian witches who believe God to be their God but still believe in the power of energy.

 

[Dece81]

there is no "power" in our words: either during prayer or at any other time.
tread carefully, this is the WORD FAITH "jesus".

the only POWER we have at our disposal is the gracious hearing and answering of our petitions by The Almighty.

I completely disagree with this. Our words have more power than you think. If I am having a horrible day and a person comes up to me and says I look nice, that makes me feel good, it resonates with me...the same as if people say bad things. It is only as much power as you allow it to be, but intentions are powerful in themselves. The power of thinking and saying create intention which you put out into the universe, this changes the way you perceive things and how people perceive you.

If you have the strong intention of having a good day, NO MATTER WHAT, then you will. These are words we say to ourselves, and they DEFINATELY have power.

If you feel lost and you pray, you feel a sort of release, like you are placing your worries and fears into the hands of someone more capable. Those are just words as well. "God protect me" are words that give you strength...etc etc

 

[Dece81]

Thats interesting that you find a relationship between prayer and witchcraft because when I first accepted Christ I wondered if my prayers were heard but then I remembered how powerful incantations in witchcraft can be and they are just words, same as prayers, and that is how I began taking my prayers more seriously. I mean I know God is not a genie that does what we command, but I'm just saying that our words during prayer have much more power behind them than we think.

I wish I could see auras. You might think everyone can do it, and maybe everyone can, but maybe its a very special gift too.

They have exercises that help you to relax your eyes and see past what you see.

I went here: Aura - Learn to see your Aura image with your own eyes
Practiced with the circles, started looking at things with "relaxed eyes" and you start to see a bright light coming off of people.

It is especially strong if a room of people are focusing on one person, like the pastor during a sermon. Even inanimate objects have energy...just much smaller. It's amazing how much LIFE is in everything.

 

[AnandaHya]

This is UNTRUE. Pagans do not believe they can CONTROL God. They simply put forth their intentions towards a goal. They do feel certain Gods can help them with things and they ask various God for helps with various things, such at Catholics do for saints. There are Christian witches who believe God to be their God but still believe in the power of energy.

that my dear is the definition of IDOL and DEMON worship.

When dealing with the spirit realm you HAVE to have a FIRM understanding of the BIBLE.

My first college roommate was a Christian witch. I know about this stuff from watching her and my own experiences by just having to share in the same room as her. I had just accepted Christ that summer before entering college and still learning about what the Bible taught. So I did not have the courage to tell her that I didn't think that sounded right or was Biblical. So I just stood by and watched as she traveled farther and farther from God. It took me a while to admit to myself that HER God was not my God or the God that Jesus talks about in the Bible. He was in the Bible but the God she worshiped was Lucifer and trust me when I tell you I've meet him more than once. He told me as a child that he was an Angel sent from God to protect me as my little brothers were getting beaten by my demon possessed dad. My big brother saved them and me and we barricaded the doors so that the demon could not get us. I was 6 years old. I learned about spiritual warfare from the master of Lies. He left and told me he could no longer talk to me the night I got saved and accepted Jesus as my Savior. He rejoined the "Light"

So I was surprised to see him hovering around my roommate's new boyfriend. I did not realize who he really was, I still believe the lie that he was an angel and I've had a lot of people say that there are more paths to God. you don't have to be christian. I didn't realize that was a lie either. It took watching my roommate destroy her life to convince me. She now has seizures and opening denies Christ and worships a different goddess every time I speak with her. The boyfriend got her to quite college move in with her, cheat on her and then when she started having medical problems dumped her. this happened over the course of 6 years.

Zone, do you want an example of how prophecy works. I'll tell you of a dream I had the night before I meet her boyfriend.

My roommate is a very lovely young woman. Sweet, lovely kind and compassionate. I consider her still one of my best friends and I wished I had listened to that dreamed that warned me of the young gentleman but I went with logic and common sense and was not brave enough to fully trust in messages from God.

In the dream I was at a college party and there was of a young man who had everyone bedazzled and everyone wanted to be his friend. He seemed to have it all: brains, money, friends, a beautiful girl. The girl was my best friend and that was why I was at the party. I felt kind of lost she was the only person I knew and to everyone else I was just another person at the party. I was very shy back then. In the dream I stumbled into a room where they were practicing dark magic, drinking blood, sacrificing animals, etc.

It shocked me so much I woke up. She introduced me to the boy the next day. I did not know what it meant until a lot later. I had the dream of only knowing the girl for a week. It was a warning I should have listened to.

So now when I have dreams warning me of people and things. I listen very carefully and pray that God show me what to do.

Zone, you want to know what I think the dream I had about you means?

I meet a lady coming out of church and in the dream she was beautiful but she were crying and she had to get her parents' house immediately, so I offered to drive her across town if she didn't mind me dropping my kids off with their dad first.....

If I hadn't had the dream, and read your words. my initial thoughts of you were not that kind, but in the back of my head I heard a voice, "maybe she's that beautiful lady, do you want to leave her to the alligators?"

Faith, you lack faith.

"Our Father who art in Heaven, Your will be done on Earth as it is in HEAVEN."

Do you think there is illness in Heaven? God loves you and if you had faith He could heal you. It is between you and God. I'm just a messenger. Feel free to shoot me, most people try to with their words and in their hearts.

Dece be careful for Satan comes disguised as an angel of Light.

May the Holy Spirit keep and guide all of you.

If you want a safe training technique I use with my kids for meditation:

Observe EVERYTHING around you. In the car we play "I spy" at the nursing home I give them little presents and they find as many residents as possible to give them to and tell them one sweet thing they know or like about their room.

anything that keeps your mind thinking and your heart engaged is meditative training. there is more but only so much can be conveyed over the internet.

Stay blessed and please READ YOUR BIBLE.

 

[Dece81]

that my dear is the definition of IDOL and DEMON worship.
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I did not deny it is worship to a different god than the biblical God. I simply disagreed with your statement that said they think they can control Gods, as even pagans have the utmost respect for whichever God they choose.

 

[AnandaHya]

I did not deny it is worship to a different god than the biblical God. I simply disagreed with your statement that said they think they can control Gods, as even pagans have the utmost respect for whichever God they choose.

Pagans is a big blanket category there are some who do and some who do not believe they control their gods. some believe THEY are gods and have cults who worship them. I"ve actually meet these individuals and their devotees and I find it very disturbing. the monks claim to be simple monks but the people are fanatics and not very nice. the monks are actually pretty decent seeming but they shouldn't allow people to worship them, however they are guarded and they don't think they are being worshiped. they think they are just teaching morality and the right way to live. part of their message is THEY can't save the people but the people had to save themselves. People make idols all the time. a very popular show is called "American Idol"

they are all false because they do not worship the TRUE GOD who sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ to die in the Cross and RISE again for the forgiveness of OUR sins.

We should all pray for them and that God send them grace and mercy and they learn to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior.

 

[zone]

Zone, you want to know what I think the dream I had about you means?

I meet a lady coming out of church and in the dream she was beautiful but she were crying and she had to get her parents' house immediately, so I offered to drive her across town if she didn't mind me dropping my kids off with their dad first.....

If I hadn't had the dream, and read your words. my initial thoughts of you were not that kind, but in the back of my head I heard a voice, "maybe she's that beautiful lady, do you want to leave her to the alligators?"

Faith, you lack faith.

"Our Father who art in Heaven, Your will be done on Earth as it is in HEAVEN."

Do you think there is illness in Heaven? God loves you and if you had faith He could heal you. It is between you and God. I'm just a messenger. Feel free to shoot me, most people try to with their words and in their hearts..

RUBBISH.
all your own stuff.

your own dream, your own interpretation (i notice its been revised somewhat).

you didn't have "nice" thoughts of me because i saw (and see) right through your stuff.

WORD FAITH HERESY.

you think God needs me to have FAITH before he can heal me?

anybody in your family die yet ananda? WILL YOU? o ye of little faith.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT FAITH IS!

you probably think physical healing is part of the Atonement!!

you're no messenger, no prophet - but you like people to think you are.

you're so important to God's Plan SATAN HIMSELF is on your case....sure.

you are still playing with strange fire and being dishonest. FAKE...all the way.

how stupid do you think i am ananda? your Pentecostal friends might buy this stuff: save it for them, okay?

up until you got a clue and started looking into the truth, you'd be out there workin on your chakras....who knows: maybe you still are.

 

[Dece81]

Pagans is a big blanket category there are some who do and some who do not believe they control their gods. some believe THEY are gods and have cults who worship them. I"ve actually meet these individuals and their devotees and I find it very disturbing. the monks claim to be simple monks but the people are fanatics and not very nice. the monks are actually pretty decent seeming but they shouldn't allow people to worship them, however they are guarded and they don't think they are being worshiped. they think they are just teaching morality and the right way to live. part of their message is THEY can't save the people but the people had to save themselves. People make idols all the time. a very popular show is called "American Idol"

they are all false because they do not worship the TRUE GOD who sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ to die in the Cross and RISE again for the forgiveness of OUR sins.

We should all pray for them and that God send them grace and mercy and they learn to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior.

Yes, and I am specifically using the word Pagan as a general sense. There are quacks in every religion..including christianity, but they certainly aren't the norm.

 

[Dece81]

up until you got a clue and started looking into the truth, you'd be out there workin on your chakras....who knows: maybe you still are.

I work on my chakras??

 

[zone]

I work on my chakras??

that wasn't posted to you Dece81.

Ananda likes spiritism...psychic stuff: God abhors it.

 

[zeroturbulence]

there is no "power" in our words: either during prayer or at any other time.
tread carefully, this is the WORD FAITH "jesus".

the only POWER we have at our disposal is the gracious hearing and answering of our petitions by The Almighty.

Yea, I guess I said that wrong. I mean you know how a witch will say an incantation and something spectacular happens? Thats what I meant. Our prayers can have a powerful effect, even though the power doesn't come from the words themselves, but rather from the one whom it makes a request of. I mean if an evil witch can mumble some words and she can receive a powerful response from the one she's praying too, then my words should be able to elicit a response just as powerful, if not more so. Ok, so I am babbling, and I watched too many dramatic horror flicks when I was younger

 

[AnandaHya]

that wasn't posted to you Dece81.

Ananda likes spiritism...psychic stuff: God abhors it.

no actually I don't like spiritism. but neither do I pretend that it doesn't exist.

We are all important to God's plan, and I don't believe death is the end. I believe when you die you go to Heaven and God accepts you and gives you a new body, that does not age, that does not get diseases and that understands the perfection of God's plan for the universe.

Does it happen instantly or do you have to wait for the second coming of Jesus? I don't know its out of my control.

If you don't believe in demons and evil spirits or angels, tell me this: WHO/WHAT DID JESUS CAST OUT OF PEOPLE?

If you don't believe that Satan attacks ALL Children of GOD then WHY the warnings from PAUL and JESUS to be watchful?

Zone, you've fallen asleep and enjoy accusing people of things and beliefs they do not hold.

Psalm 64

To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.

1 Hear my voice, O God, in my meditation;
Preserve my life from fear of the enemy.
2 Hide me from the secret plots of the wicked,
From the rebellion of the workers of iniquity,
3 Who sharpen their tongue like a sword,
And bend their bows to shoot their arrows—bitter words,
4 That they may shoot in secret at the blameless;
Suddenly they shoot at him and do not fear.

5 They encourage themselves in an evil matter;
They talk of laying snares secretly;
They say, “Who will see them?”
6 They devise iniquities:
“We have perfected a shrewd scheme.”
Both the inward thought and the heart of man are deep.

7 But God shall shoot at them with an arrow;
Suddenly they shall be wounded.
8 So He will make them stumble over their own tongue;
All who see them shall flee away.
9 All men shall fear,
And shall declare the work of God;
For they shall wisely consider His doing.

10 The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and trust in Him.
And all the upright in heart shall glory.

 

[AnandaHya]

Yea, I guess I said that wrong. I mean you know how a witch will say an incantation and something spectacular happens? Thats what I meant. Our prayers can have a powerful effect, even though the power doesn't come from the words themselves, but rather from the one whom it makes a request of. I mean if an evil witch can mumble some words and she can receive a powerful response from the one she's praying too, then my words should be able to elicit a response just as powerful, if not more so. Ok, so I am babbling, and I watched too many dramatic horror flicks when I was younger

God made us in His image and He spoke the world into existence. there is power in words, even typed ones

1 Peter 4:10-16 (New King James Version)

10 As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11 If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Suffering for God’s Glory


12 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; 13 but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. 14 If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.[a] On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.

I believe each person's salvation is in THEIR hands and is between them and God. Jesus said if we deny Him to the world He will deny us before the Father.

Galatians 5
Walking in the Spirit
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

I do not belong to a Pentecostal Church, I belong to the Church that has Jesus as its head. I attend a Methodist church and was baptized at a Baptist church. Through college I attended a Episcopal church. My adoptive grandmother who helped my mom during the divorce was Episcopal.

Of course I've already told Zone this but she likes to post lies as if they are truth.

So when I state that God has spoken to be through prophecy but I think the message is more important then the messenger and that God should be glorified, because GOD STILL WORKS IN THE WORLD and gives spiritual gifts...

well that speaks against the doctrines of the Church of Zone...who still hasn't said if she actually physically attends a church...

 

[AnandaHya]

I work on my chakras??

I suggest you take anything Zone says with a little bit of background knowledge. So why does anyone need TWO names on the same chat site?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-gods-war-cry-fighting-forces-darkness-2.html

still waiting for Zone to DENY that she is NOT Paulnsilas but it hasn't happened yet, and she tells me I am wrong and should repent I think the plank is becoming cancerous.

charka's are located in areas of the body where the nerves bundle together, you should not more worship them then you would your hand or butt. they are just part of your human body.

Do you worship the creation or the Creator?

Human 3D Human nervous system diagram - human body nervous system

I would not meditate on "chakras" but more on understanding how ALL of your body works and what God wants you to do with your life and on reading the Bible.

YouTube - Human Harmonics - Chakras & Acupuncture points

YouTube - Harmonics - Salt on a vibrating table

YouTube - Internal Human Energy

the human body can do more then most people even think about its not DEMONS and its not MAGIC. Its just how GOD created ALL people to be. Don't worship the creation but GOD who created it all.

YouTube - Testing Human Energy

"energy fields" look through an infrared machine, an MRI machine and a few others that are there. Machines are modeled after nature. the computer after the HUMAN BRAIN and a toddler's brain is more complex then any supercomputer that has yet to be invented.

You can do some experiments and basic excerise and learn what your body and muscles and nervous system does naturally, but know for some it will be like eating meat from altars. remember what Paul said on the subject (which is why I'm glad I'm not an apostle, they have very strict standards, especially Paul who did not even marry as the other apostles did)

NOTE back then ALL meat sold at the meat market was sacrificed to IDOLS.


1 Corinthians 10:23-33 (New King James Version)

All to the Glory of God


23 All things are lawful for me,[a] but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify. 24 Let no one seek his own, but each one the other’s well-being.
25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience’ sake; 26 for “the earth is the LORD’s, and all its fullness.”[c]
27 If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience’ sake. 28 But if anyone says to you, “This was offered to idols,” do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience’ sake;[d] for “the earth is the LORD’s, and all its fullness.”[e] 29 “Conscience,” I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man’s conscience? 30 But if I partake with thanks, why am I evil spoken of for the food over which I give thanks?
31 Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the church of God, 33 just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

May the Peace of the Lord be with those who do His will. If I have offended you with my words I apologize, tell God and let Him reprimand and correct me. For God chastens all His children, if you are NOT chastened then YOU ARE NOT A CHILD OF GOD.

Hebrews 12:6-8 (New King James Version)

6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]

7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.

 

[AnandaHya]

that wasn't posted to you Dece81.

Ananda likes spiritism...psychic stuff: God abhors it.

of course not, you only pick on one person at a time, bullies get away with their behavior and are tolerated by others that way.

If you were against spiritual gifts, then why are you on this website, have you talked to the Moderators and Founder of this site about what they think about it all?

I think of any gathering of Christians to be a church, so I consider this website a church of sorts and the official Bible study as a sermon, the moderators as elders and founder as the pastor.

Before staying at any church, I research what the elders and the pastor believe and if they find me and my beliefs offensive. I suggest everyone do the same. Everyone else on this site are just MEMBERS not TEACHERS or anything else.

So ZONE God ABHORS FALSE WITNESSES and two faced people.

I have offended you because you told me NOT to post this thread and you would NOT tell anyone I sent you a message concerning this topic but I DO NOT HIDE IN DARKNESS.

I stand in the Light, if I am wrong God will show me my error and If I'm right then what will you do? will you be hypocritical and NOT apologize and continue to NOT listen?

Ever thought of attending? RoboOp founded this site and is there most night, you can ask him what he believes on the subjects you have condemned me for.

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I'm talking about the BIBLE and Easter Medicine and Science. YOU are talking about Spiritism, false doctrines, false prophets, demon possessed churches, and psychic stuff.

God knows my faults and my sins and has forgiven me for them or do you think YOU are the only one Jesus came to forgive of their sins?

You judge and bear false witness of me. and I find it offensive.

 

[AnandaHya]

ok zone and paulnsilas are back on my ignore list.