Marrying Based on Being 'In Love'

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Lanolin

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married at first sight tv show is trash tv but thing is a lot of people just watch it for the entertainement.
Most people know its foolish to marry at first sight.

am not sure how they are getting contestants. I think a lot of people just get dared to go on it by their friends for a laugh. Maybe theres prize money involved?!
 

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dating is going out with someone for fun. eg playdate, going out, spending time. its not always to find a partner.

courting is different, when you are serious about someone you get engaged and only go out with that person and dont see anybody else. You make promises or ask the parents. eventually you set a date to be married. You both know that marriage will be in mind.

a lot of people dont really have the time or money to spend dating, it can lead to marriage but not always, and there is really no obligation to see that person again. Which is actually a good thing because it means theres no pressure.
 

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When the show, Married At First Sight, came on the mockery of love and marriage was set. M@FS is a show like the Bachelor in that it's lame empty headed vulgar entertainment that is for those addicted to the drama programming already proliferating television. That and the ongoing advance of dark occult themes and shows.
They actually made Lucifer a character and gave him his own show wherein he was just misunderstood by humanity and his dad! It's still on but on a subscription program, like Netflix or some such.

Anyway, Married @FS has couples who have never met meet for the first time at the altar where they get married. I don't know if it is a real marriage license marriage but that's the show. And of course they have spin offs, like M@FS the first year and whatnot.

Unbelievable that anyone would apply to be on that show. But it shows how little those who do respect marriage itself.
Andy Warhol said it and we're seeing it. "In the future, everyone will be world-famous for 15 minutes."
The Married at First Sight show in the US legally marries people. I don't think it would be a mockery of marriage to have experts arrange a marriage if everyone involved took it seriously and if the parents were involved in the process. That's how many marriages have been doing in various cultures. Some cultures matchmakers, including Korean culture, Indian culture, and Ashkenazi Jewish culture. In some of these cultures, the use of a matchmaker is an option.

What I do not like about the show is that so many 'contestants' and the experts, including the pastor, throw around the idea of getting divorced. It is obvious that many of them do not take marriage as seriously as they should. The 'experts' call the marriage an 'experiment.' They offer the husband and wife an option to divorce as if that is a legitimate out. If parents were involved in the matchmaking it would make a lot more sense, too. The matchmakers on the show do not know the subjects of their 'experiment' well.
 

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what culture are you presidente just wondering. If its US culture from watching the tv shows its just acting. Most of the shows that depict married couples, they are NOT married to each other in real life. Even 'Married with Children' the actors were not married.
mostly those shows are for entertainment value only. Most every show the parents are not involved in any marriage, what usually happens is the couple, start seeing each other (maybe in the high school or university, or work or maybe just random) hook up, and tell their parents later. mostly its because they dont want expesne of bringing in older actors. I never once saw the parents of Dr Warner on Shortland Street for example, and the character was married about five times.

Most tv shows want to channel the drama of Romeo and Juliet, where the parents and families of the star crossed couple hate each other. But love (or lust) will conquer all right?
 

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what culture are you presidente just wondering. If its US culture from watching the tv shows its just acting. Most of the shows that depict married couples, they are NOT married to each other in real life. Even 'Married with Children' the actors were not married.
mostly those shows are for entertainment value only. Most every show the parents are not involved in any marriage, what usually happens is the couple, start seeing each other (maybe in the high school or university, or work or maybe just random) hook up, and tell their parents later. mostly its because they dont want expesne of bringing in older actors. I never once saw the parents of Dr Warner on Shortland Street for example, and the character was married about five times.

Most tv shows want to channel the drama of Romeo and Juliet, where the parents and families of the star crossed couple hate each other. But love (or lust) will conquer all right?

We were talking about a reality show where experts set the couple up and they get legally married. Some acting might occur. The producers or experts give the people tasks to do. Maybe someone is stirring up discussions or even arguments on these shows. I don't know. I think to some extent it is real. People may act differently when the camera is around. Some of the couples stay together. I don't think their success rate is that great. But the 'experts' almost give them permission to divorce after so many weeks. I am from the US, and I am aware of how American parents are typically less involved in these things than other cultures. But I also see in Deuteronomy that fathers were to give their daughters away, and the Lord told the Judeans before they went went into captivity to find wives for their sons and husbands for their daughters. I have also spent quite a bit of my life in Indonesia where parents are more involved in decisions of who to marry, the wedding, and often in the marriages of their children.
 

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thats a weird show I wouldnt take much notice of it, I reckon its a set up and people are gullible to even go on shows like that.
it does seem in the US parents arent that involved with their offsprings lives after they leave home. Maybe cos of economics they just go where the work is, and americans do not typically work from home or on farms, most work in cities now and often have to commute to work from suburbs or live in apartments. they arent really concerned with marriage as a permanent state as when divorces happen properties just get sold off and people just buy or rent another place. A lot of people do not care about holding on to land that just can be bought at any price. They dont even think about what to leave for their children.

in other countries you only really leave home if you are going to marry, and your parents would have a say in who you married, because of dividing up the land and inheritance. Even back in biblical times it was so. God didnt actually want the israelites to marry any canaanites because he didnt want the land he was givng them to be defiled with their idolatrous practices.

When Boaz married Ruth he knew she was giving up her land and his God was going to be her God. The love he felt for her was seeing how she treated her mother-in-law I suppose, he was basing that on her character rather than her looks althougn she would have looked like a Moabite? Did they look any different I dont know. But definitely it was more than just a 'feeling' or looks between them. Ruth responded to his kindness too when he protected her from other men and gave her more produce.

just giving some persepctive here on what marriage can mean than oh we just feel some 'chemistry' well for the most part. 'chemistry' can happen with most people even when you dont even like each other or even know them hardly at all. When people get drunk or intoxicated they suddently have all this 'chemistry' for anybody in the room!
 

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thats a weird show I wouldnt take much notice of it, I reckon its a set up and people are gullible to even go on shows like that.
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It's unusual in the US, but I've seen the show and the comments people think show common ways of thinking about marriage-- that are wrong and unbiblical-- that many Americans hold to. The same is true of other dating and reality type shows.
It does seem in the US parents arent that involved with their offsprings lives after they leave home. Maybe cos of economics they just go where the work is, and americans do not typically work from home or on farms, most work in cities now and often have to commute to work from suburbs or live in apartments. they arent really concerned with marriage as a permanent state as when divorces happen properties just get sold off and people just buy or rent another place. A lot of people do not care about holding on to land that just can be bought at any price. They dont even think about what to leave for their children.
There could be something to that. People going off far away in the pioneer days to live in nuclear families might have contributed to it. But there are families who, for generations, lived 'back east' in one town and are like everyone else in this regard. I suspect Western European cultures do not have parents deciding who the kids marry these days. I haven't interviewed them about this. But they tend to be individualistic rather than collectivist on other matters.

In English culture, Jane Austen's was pushing for emphasis on love between the couples rather than parents deciding over practical matters. She was reacting against parents making materialistic decisions, and the father's permission was still needed. In the US, since the 1800's, there was been a shift between men going to the homes of single men's to court to 'dating' outside. The 'boyfriend' was invented around 1900, promoted by various magazines as a normal thing, and the whole culture shifted over time to young people deciding who to marry. Our legal system which we inherited from the English was set up around that idea, too. If a man had made promises of marriage and slept with her in the English legal system, that had weight (thinking of one of Henry VIIs wives and her previous love interest.)

For me personally, since I saw in scripture that fathers gave daughters in marriage, that part of getting married was extremely important to me, that her father give her away in marriage. In the culture I came from, the couple decides to marry. In theirs, the extended family is involved. I wanted to cover the bases as best we could and get married.

in other countries you only really leave home if you are going to marry, and your parents would have a say in who you married, because of dividing up the land and inheritance. Even back in biblical times it was so. God didnt actually want the israelites to marry any canaanites because he didnt want the land he was givng them to be defiled with their idolatrous practices.

When Boaz married Ruth he knew she was giving up her land and his God was going to be her God. The love he felt for her was seeing how she treated her mother-in-law I suppose, he was basing that on her character rather than her looks althougn she would have looked like a Moabite? Did they look any different I dont know. But definitely it was more than just a 'feeling' or looks between them. Ruth responded to his kindness too when he protected her from other men and gave her more produce.

just giving some persepctive here on what marriage can mean than oh we just feel some 'chemistry' well for the most part. 'chemistry' can happen with most people even when you dont even like each other or even know them hardly at all. When people get drunk or intoxicated they suddently have all this 'chemistry' for anybody in the room![/QUOTE]
 

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The love he felt for her was seeing how she treated her mother-in-law I suppose, he was basing that on her character rather than her looks althougn she would have looked like a Moabite? Did they look any different I dont know. But definitely it was more than just a 'feeling' or looks between them. Ruth responded to his kindness too when he protected her from other men and gave her more produce.
Moab was the son of Lot and his daughter, both kin to Abraham, so they might have looked like Jewish people, but it's hard to know. There has been some DNA research done that shows that genetically the Lebanese are descended from the Tyrian Sidonian civilization. Some of the Lebanese are physically attractive people, so if the other Canaanites looked like Lebanese, I can see why the Israelites were tempted to intermarry with them.
 

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well the family does have an influence but its the couples ultimate decision to go through with it, and even then one part of the couple may change their mind after a couple of years (excuse the pun)

theres fewer arrranged marriages these days but without support from family its likely many people dont get married at all since weddings are so expensive.

americans do have an indivudualistic culture that actually undermines marriage in many ways, they dont think in terms of family its more thats what *I* want rather than what *my people* want.

when you look at the fiasco of royal weddings harry and meghan for example and you see people are human but americans are indviudalistic and the brits are like but you married into OUR family and took our name which is quite a clash of cultures. when you are female what usually happens is you take your hsubands surname upon marriage as a sign you become part of HIS family.