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Saving faith is a faith which saves. And whoever has it is given eternal life as I have shown
you want me to judge people? I will not do that, God judges.
why You continue to ignore what Jesus promised is beyond me
jesus made those promises, and interpretation of any verse which co trade ts what Jesus promised must be re-interpreted to meet what Jesus promised
you want me to judge people? I will not do that, God judges.
why You continue to ignore what Jesus promised is beyond me
jesus made those promises, and interpretation of any verse which co trade ts what Jesus promised must be re-interpreted to meet what Jesus promised
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Having said that, the issue here is semantic range. airo has a range of meaning as listed by BDAG as (1) to lift up, take up, pick up, (2) to lift up and move from one place to another, (3) to take away, remove, or seize control without suggestion of lifting up, take away, remove. So the range of meaning is between removing, and picking up to remove. I am not seeing in BDAG any special category for
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This is airo, Greek word on john 15:2 mean
Brother E.G. Say airo mean lift up. It is one of the meaning of airo, than we need more information, lift up and put to where? Lift up for what.
Airo also mean, to lift up and move from one place to another place
Then we need to read verse 6 for more information
Move to be burn/fire /hell
Having said that, the issue here is semantic range. airo has a range of meaning as listed by BDAG as (1) to lift up, take up, pick up, (2) to lift up and move from one place to another, (3) to take away, remove, or seize control without suggestion of lifting up, take away, remove. So the range of meaning is between removing, and picking up to remove. I am not seeing in BDAG any special category for
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This is airo, Greek word on john 15:2 mean
Brother E.G. Say airo mean lift up. It is one of the meaning of airo, than we need more information, lift up and put to where? Lift up for what.
Airo also mean, to lift up and move from one place to another place
Then we need to read verse 6 for more information
Move to be burn/fire /hell
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To quote a verse or verses is not to judge
For example Jesus is the only way to the Father or salvation
That mean Muslim not a way to salvation
Is that mean to judge Muslim?
Another example
John 3:18
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Can I qoute this verse?
Not believe> condemned
Is this mean I judge non believer
No, I qoute how Jesus condemed or judge non believer, not me.
For example Jesus is the only way to the Father or salvation
That mean Muslim not a way to salvation
Is that mean to judge Muslim?
Another example
John 3:18
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Can I qoute this verse?
Not believe> condemned
Is this mean I judge non believer
No, I qoute how Jesus condemed or judge non believer, not me.
i will try (though God knows best -- not i)
if not love Jesus all the time -- not born again yet, but could be a disciple -- if not dislike him too much.
dis·ci·ple | \ di-ˈsī-pəl \
Definition of disciple
1: one who accepts and assists in spreading the doctrines of another: such as
a Christianity : one of the twelve in the inner circle of Christ's followers according to the Gospel accounts
b: a convinced adherent of a school or individual
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There are verses that Jesus said that seem to indicate that salvation is only about believing in Jesus
There are also verses that Jesus said that seem to indicate that salvation is also about our works.
Both of you are just standing fast on either side, so this exchange will never converge.
There are also verses that Jesus said that seem to indicate that salvation is also about our works.
Both of you are just standing fast on either side, so this exchange will never converge.
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As I said, it seems clear in your mind, because you are reading Paul into all these verses.
John himself never believed your interpretation of John 3:16.
His letter to Israel in 1 John constantly reminded them that they can only expect to have eternal life, at the end when Jesus return for them.
1 John 1
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 4
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 5
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Have you realized that throughout all his 5 chapters, the same theme is repeated time and time again? Its hard not to get that conclusion what the apostle John is telling his Jewish betheren how to be right with God.
John himself never believed your interpretation of John 3:16.
His letter to Israel in 1 John constantly reminded them that they can only expect to have eternal life, at the end when Jesus return for them.
1 John 1
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 4
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 5
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Have you realized that throughout all his 5 chapters, the same theme is repeated time and time again? Its hard not to get that conclusion what the apostle John is telling his Jewish betheren how to be right with God.
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