My take on water baptism...
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The better question is why should anyone be baptized in water? Was being baptized in Christ not enough? The same debate was going on two thousand years ago with circumcision. Circumcision is a work of the flesh required by the Old Testament Law, and by the way so is water baptism, which is a carryover from part of the Levitical Law.
The better question is why would anyone want water? Was being baptized in Christ not good enough? The people had the same debate 2 thousand years ago over circumcision. Circumcision is a work of the flesh required by the Old Testament Law, and by the way so is water baptism, which is a carryover from part of the Levitical Law.
The better question is why water? Is being baptized in Christ not good enough? The same debate went on 2 thousand years ago over circumcision. Circumcision is a work of the flesh required by the Old Testament Law, and by the way so is water baptism, which is a carryover from part of the Levitical Law.
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11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
THAT IS WATER BAPTISM. Please read some commentaries before it's too late for you. It might be already. You do come across as reprobate but I am posting for the sake of those who are confused by your silly rhetoric.
THAT IS WATER BAPTISM. Please read some commentaries before it's too late for you. It might be already. You do come across as reprobate but I am posting for the sake of those who are confused by your silly rhetoric.
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what do you add to your salvation by taking communion? yet the Lord said do this in remembrance of Him.
this is not at all the same debate as circumcision. you can actually find scripture warning against circumcision.
but Peter, you cannot find one single passage saying one negative thing about water baptism, can you? that's why your only legitimate argument in 30 pages is 'it doesn't save you'
so tell me if taking the Lord's supper is what saves you?
does attending a congregation redeem you?
are you born again because you regularly study the Bible?
is your justification before God based on praying?
i don't think it's a very sound argument for you to forbid any good work that the scripture encourages on the basis that it's not strictly necessary to be saved.
being filled with the Spirit or not doesn't save you either, Peter. yet Christ's commanded to be water baptized those who had been filled with the Spirit just by hearing and believing. Acts 10:47-48
so your argument is with him. you're calling him a false teacher, which in turn is accusing the One who sent him of the same thing. btw, a little math -- Acts 10 comes after Acts 2.
this is not at all the same debate as circumcision. you can actually find scripture warning against circumcision.
but Peter, you cannot find one single passage saying one negative thing about water baptism, can you? that's why your only legitimate argument in 30 pages is 'it doesn't save you'
so tell me if taking the Lord's supper is what saves you?
does attending a congregation redeem you?
are you born again because you regularly study the Bible?
is your justification before God based on praying?
i don't think it's a very sound argument for you to forbid any good work that the scripture encourages on the basis that it's not strictly necessary to be saved.
being filled with the Spirit or not doesn't save you either, Peter. yet Christ's commanded to be water baptized those who had been filled with the Spirit just by hearing and believing. Acts 10:47-48
so your argument is with him. you're calling him a false teacher, which in turn is accusing the One who sent him of the same thing. btw, a little math -- Acts 10 comes after Acts 2.
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ask Simon Peter. Acts 10:47-48
he commanded water baptism for those who had already been filled with the Holy Spirit.
he commanded water baptism for those who had already been filled with the Holy Spirit.
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of course not!
well except for these:
After Philip the evangelist had taught a eunuch from Ethiopia, the Bible says, “So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away .Acts 8:38,39
And many of the Corinthians, hearing believed and were baptized” (Acts 18:8). On the day that the Lord’s church began, thousands were baptized after they heard the apostle Peter’s sermon. How does the Bible describe those who were immersed that day? They were “those who gladly received his word . . .” (Acts 2:41). Water baptism is not for infants or small toddlers, nor is it for people who refuse to believe. It is only for those who have the capacity to hear the gospel (Acts 2:37), understand it (Acts 2:36), and then sincerely receive its message (Acts 2:41).
From the Book of Acts we further learn that water baptism is for people that have repented. The apostle Peter instructed lost people, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ . . .” (Acts 2:38). They were not told simply to be baptized, but to repent and be baptized. Water baptism is not what some might call “just a ceremony.” No, being baptized is a decision for those who are prepared to turn from all their sins and commit themselves to serving Jesus faithfully, leaving the old man behind and walking in newness of life (Romans 6:3-6).
Fourth, in the Book of Acts we see that water baptism is a command. In the first recorded case of non-Jews being converted, the Bible says that the Lord’s messenger “commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord” (Acts 10:48). Like we already noted, Peter commanded people to repent and be baptized in Jesus’ name (Acts 2:38). Likewise, Saul of Tarsus was commanded to be immersed (Acts 22:16). There is no denying this truth: water baptism is a command of God. And what is it that God wants us to do with His commands? That is correct – obey them!
The Book of Acts also shows us the purpose of water baptism. “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38). According to this verse, what was the purpose of baptism? Baptism was “for the remission of sins.” Before the baptism of Saul/Paul of Tarsus, he was told, “And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord” (Acts 22:16). What was the purpose of Saul’s baptism? The Bible’s answer is that it was to wash away his sins. No, it wasn’t the water that saved him – only the blood of Jesus can cleanse a person’s sins. But, through His blood, Jesus saves only those that obey Him (Hebrews 5:9), and it is clear that submission to Him involves being baptized and doing so for the right purpose.
Finally, the Book of Acts also shows us that water baptism is not something to be delayed once a person has made the decision to follow Jesus. The examples of baptism in the Book of Acts make it clear that when lost people heard the gospel, believed it, and were ready to become children of God, they did not put off being baptized. Why would they?! On the Day of Pentecost, people were baptized the same day (Acts 2:41). That eunuch from Africa obeyed the gospel before he made it home, and he did so without waiting on any others to join him in baptism (Acts 8:35-39). A jailer and his family were even baptized well after midnight (Acts 16:30-34). Having their sins washed away was more important to them than going home to sleep or have something to eat! article here
disclaimer: I don't know this church but the above is taken from scripture and that is what interested me
well except for these:
After Philip the evangelist had taught a eunuch from Ethiopia, the Bible says, “So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away .Acts 8:38,39
And many of the Corinthians, hearing believed and were baptized” (Acts 18:8). On the day that the Lord’s church began, thousands were baptized after they heard the apostle Peter’s sermon. How does the Bible describe those who were immersed that day? They were “those who gladly received his word . . .” (Acts 2:41). Water baptism is not for infants or small toddlers, nor is it for people who refuse to believe. It is only for those who have the capacity to hear the gospel (Acts 2:37), understand it (Acts 2:36), and then sincerely receive its message (Acts 2:41).
From the Book of Acts we further learn that water baptism is for people that have repented. The apostle Peter instructed lost people, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ . . .” (Acts 2:38). They were not told simply to be baptized, but to repent and be baptized. Water baptism is not what some might call “just a ceremony.” No, being baptized is a decision for those who are prepared to turn from all their sins and commit themselves to serving Jesus faithfully, leaving the old man behind and walking in newness of life (Romans 6:3-6).
Fourth, in the Book of Acts we see that water baptism is a command. In the first recorded case of non-Jews being converted, the Bible says that the Lord’s messenger “commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord” (Acts 10:48). Like we already noted, Peter commanded people to repent and be baptized in Jesus’ name (Acts 2:38). Likewise, Saul of Tarsus was commanded to be immersed (Acts 22:16). There is no denying this truth: water baptism is a command of God. And what is it that God wants us to do with His commands? That is correct – obey them!
The Book of Acts also shows us the purpose of water baptism. “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38). According to this verse, what was the purpose of baptism? Baptism was “for the remission of sins.” Before the baptism of Saul/Paul of Tarsus, he was told, “And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord” (Acts 22:16). What was the purpose of Saul’s baptism? The Bible’s answer is that it was to wash away his sins. No, it wasn’t the water that saved him – only the blood of Jesus can cleanse a person’s sins. But, through His blood, Jesus saves only those that obey Him (Hebrews 5:9), and it is clear that submission to Him involves being baptized and doing so for the right purpose.
Finally, the Book of Acts also shows us that water baptism is not something to be delayed once a person has made the decision to follow Jesus. The examples of baptism in the Book of Acts make it clear that when lost people heard the gospel, believed it, and were ready to become children of God, they did not put off being baptized. Why would they?! On the Day of Pentecost, people were baptized the same day (Acts 2:41). That eunuch from Africa obeyed the gospel before he made it home, and he did so without waiting on any others to join him in baptism (Acts 8:35-39). A jailer and his family were even baptized well after midnight (Acts 16:30-34). Having their sins washed away was more important to them than going home to sleep or have something to eat! article here
disclaimer: I don't know this church but the above is taken from scripture and that is what interested me
Perhaps I missed your responce but actually acts speaks more on water baptism than any other book in the bible here are only some examples
Acts 2:37-41
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do? And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call unto him. And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. They then that received his word were baptized: and there were added unto them in that day about three thousand souls.
8:5-13
And Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and proclaimed unto them the Christ. And the multitudes gave heed with one accord unto the things that were spoken by Philip, when they heard, and saw the signs which he did. For from many of those that had unclean spirits, they came out, crying with a loud voice: and many that were palsied, and that were lame, were healed. And there was much joy in that city. But there was a certain man, Simon by name, who beforetime in the city used sorcery, and amazed the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: to whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is that power of God which is called Great. And they gave heed to him, because that of long time he had amazed them with his sorceries. But when they believed Philip preaching good tidings concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. And Simon also himself believed: and being baptized, he continued with Philip; and beholding signs and great miracles wrought, he was amazed.
8:36-38
And as they went on the way, they came unto a certain water; and the eunuch saith, Behold, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
9:10-12
Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and the Lord said unto him in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go to the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one named Saul, a man of Tarsus: for behold, he prayeth; and he hath seen a man named Ananias coming in, and laying his hands on him, that he might receive his sight.
Acts 2:37-41
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do? And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call unto him. And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. They then that received his word were baptized: and there were added unto them in that day about three thousand souls.
8:5-13
And Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and proclaimed unto them the Christ. And the multitudes gave heed with one accord unto the things that were spoken by Philip, when they heard, and saw the signs which he did. For from many of those that had unclean spirits, they came out, crying with a loud voice: and many that were palsied, and that were lame, were healed. And there was much joy in that city. But there was a certain man, Simon by name, who beforetime in the city used sorcery, and amazed the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: to whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is that power of God which is called Great. And they gave heed to him, because that of long time he had amazed them with his sorceries. But when they believed Philip preaching good tidings concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. And Simon also himself believed: and being baptized, he continued with Philip; and beholding signs and great miracles wrought, he was amazed.
8:36-38
And as they went on the way, they came unto a certain water; and the eunuch saith, Behold, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
9:10-12
Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and the Lord said unto him in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go to the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one named Saul, a man of Tarsus: for behold, he prayeth; and he hath seen a man named Ananias coming in, and laying his hands on him, that he might receive his sight.
another good question is how in the world does someone be Spirit-baptized for the dead?
((see 1 Corinthians 15:29))
ans: they don't. that's H2O baptism Paul's talking about. and he says it just like it's the same baptism he preaches to all believers, only it's people doing it in place for those who have died. if Paul didn't preach H2O baptism, then why doesn't he make a distinction?
((see 1 Corinthians 15:29))
ans: they don't. that's H2O baptism Paul's talking about. and he says it just like it's the same baptism he preaches to all believers, only it's people doing it in place for those who have died. if Paul didn't preach H2O baptism, then why doesn't he make a distinction?