THE LIE IN LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY

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eternally-gratefull

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throughfaith said:
The heart should be towards our brothers and sisters to help them . If you believe something is false and just don't say anything to fellow believers which is more hateful?
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The heart should be to try to understand them first

if someone came up to me and said they studied YouTube and the internet and because of that study said I believe this, when in reality I believing nothing like that I would to To, explain to him how that was not true, if he continued to insist it, I would get upset, I am sure you would,feel,the same way if someone falsely accused you of believing something you do not believe
 
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I think the only way you will understand what I'm saying is when you see it for yourself. That's all I can really say on the issue of calvinism. it took years for me to finally see the errors .
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What have you stated that was false?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The heart should be to try to understand them first

if someone came up to me and said they studied YouTube and the internet and because of that study said I believe this, when in reality I believing nothing like that I would to To, explain to him how that was not true, if he continued to insist it, I would get upset, I am sure you would,feel,the same way if someone falsely accused you of believing something you do not believe
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You study the real money to spot the counterfeit. i believe no one starts into Calvinism through the scriptures.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The heart should be to try to understand them first

if someone came up to me and said they studied YouTube and the internet and because of that study said I believe this, when in reality I believing nothing like that I would to To, explain to him how that was not true, if he continued to insist it, I would get upset, I am sure you would,feel,the same way if someone falsely accused you of believing something you do not believe
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EleventhHour said:
What have you stated that was false?
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Nothing that everyone who understands Calvinism who isn't a calvinist knows to be true of Calvinism.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You study the real money to spot the counterfeit. i believe no one starts into Calvinism through the scriptures.
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Your fine with thinking this

your still wrong in In some of the points you accuse them of, if you state things they really believe and offer a different view, I will either share in your view or disagree with it

but when you sharema view of them which is not true. I can not converse with you. No one can
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Nothing that everyone who understands Calvinism who isn't a calvinist knows to be true of Calvinism.
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So calvinists do not know what they believe?

i have been a Christian for 40 years, I have been friends with many people who would consider themselves to be 5 point, I have been in christian chat of some sort Since the late 90s and have had conversations and fellowship online with many who claim to be 5 point calvinists. I am friends with a few in here. Who I consider my brother, and even those who I do not get along with and who I consider to be extreme in their views I have had discussions with.

so to think I do not know anything about them or what they believe? Well you need to think again,

as I tried to share with you a few days ago. NO one I have ever spoken to shared what you claim, it goes against their very doctrinal root of election, and you have had a few here outright tell you you are wrong

it is obvious you have some hatred toward their belief system, so much you can not see what is in front of you concerning this one topic (their enduring to the end, and believing they can not be assured until the end, because they can never no)

it’s just wrong man wromg
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So calvinists do not know what they believe?

i have been a Christian for 40 years, I have been friends with many people who would consider themselves to be 5 point, I have been in christian chat of some sort Since the late 90s and have had conversations and fellowship online with many who claim to be 5 point calvinists. I am friends with a few in here. Who I consider my brother, and even those who I do not get along with and who I consider to be extreme in their views I have had discussions with.

so to think I do not know anything about them or what they believe? Well you need to think again,

as I tried to share with you a few days ago. NO one I have ever spoken to shared what you claim, it goes against their very doctrinal root of election, and you have had a few here outright tell you you are wrong

it is obvious you have some hatred toward their belief system, so much you can not see what is in front of you concerning this one topic (their enduring to the end, and believing they can not be assured until the end, because they can never no)

it’s just wrong man wromg
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Calvinists believe it to be true obviously. Jehovah witnesses believe what they profess . We all do .
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So calvinists do not know what they believe?

i have been a Christian for 40 years, I have been friends with many people who would consider themselves to be 5 point, I have been in christian chat of some sort Since the late 90s and have had conversations and fellowship online with many who claim to be 5 point calvinists. I am friends with a few in here. Who I consider my brother, and even those who I do not get along with and who I consider to be extreme in their views I have had discussions with.

so to think I do not know anything about them or what they believe? Well you need to think again,

as I tried to share with you a few days ago. NO one I have ever spoken to shared what you claim, it goes against their very doctrinal root of election, and you have had a few here outright tell you you are wrong

it is obvious you have some hatred toward their belief system, so much you can not see what is in front of you concerning this one topic (their enduring to the end, and believing they can not be assured until the end, because they can never no)

it’s just wrong man wromg
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Believe what? . I've forgotten what you think I'm saying is wrong about Calvinism . You may need to remind me as were talking past each other now .
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Your fine with thinking this

your still wrong in In some of the points you accuse them of, if you state things they really believe and offer a different view, I will either share in your view or disagree with it

but when you sharema view of them which is not true. I can not converse with you. No one can
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You have to?

If you are saved you will. Its part of the gift of Salvation. Perseverance of the Saints. We are given endurance. We are given perseverance.
 
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Grandpa said:
You have to?

If you are saved you will. Its part of the gift of Salvation. Perseverance of the Saints. We are given endurance. We are given perseverance.
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So do you believe in eternal,security?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Of course . But I don't have to persevere or endure . Jesus persevered and Endured . Its not what we do .
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He does not have to either, he has told you that numerous times as have others

you keep calling him a liar. That’s bearing false witness,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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We are not told to endure or persevere to be saved . Even if you add " its God who gives us the power or ability" .
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He never said he HAS TO persevere to be saved, he has told you that also Yet you keep accusing him of it
 
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We are not told to endure or persevere to be saved . Even if you add " its God who gives us the power or ability" .Or its God who is working in us " . Using " He who has begun a good work , will ....
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I give up dude, you will never get it

go ahead and falsely accuse them, just remember, god will be the judge you will have to answer to him

if I was you, I would learn some humble pie
 
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We are not told to endure or persevere to be saved . Even if you add " its God who gives us the power or ability" .Or its God who is working in us " . Using " He who has begun a good work , will ....
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Engage with what I'm saying rather than avoid .
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Then in your own words tell me how a calvinist knows he is one of those elected for salvation , unconditionally before the foundation of the world , from the scriptures?
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Again

i have told you

and they have told you so many times.

and yet you refuse to see.

until you acknowledge what others have told you, there is nothing to,discuss
 
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