Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Status
Not open for further replies.
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#3,681
#3,681
One thing I find amazing is how big a hypocrite people who call themselves gods children can be

when preacher had his girls, the girls were attacked as being preacher followers and all kind of names

yet when one of them does it, and someone calls them out for doing the same thing, see how everyone comes to their rescue

and to think they represent God in this way. hA!

it just exposes some things

i pray god opened everyone hearts and eyes and ears to what they are doing, on both sides.
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#3,682
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#3,682
Grandpa said:
That's what SCRIPTURE says.

We are Gods People by Faith in Christ.

Salvation is the Gift of God.


It is not the gift of free-willers making their god do their will.
Click to expand...
Yawwwnnnn more calvinistic straw man blather....you have no case pal....scripture refutes your Calvinogma....
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#3,683
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#3,683
ForestGreenCook said:
I have a question for you. If God chastens everyone that he loves, does that mean he chastens all mankind?
Click to expand...
Nice try at a diversionary calvinogma tactic....you will have to grow up, eat your wheaties and get up before the chickens to catch me in some rigmarole verbiage trap........

My bible says God only chastens SONS WHOM HE RECEIVES....yet LOVED THE WHOLE KOSMOS and PAID FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD

Nice try pal...no ceeeegarr!
 
Duskey

Duskey

Banned
#3,684
May 31, 2020
1,706
1,559
113
#3,684
eternally-gratefull said:
No, I am just using the same words she used to use against preachers girls when she and a bunch of others used to say that about 2 other young ladies who were slammed for following him and believing everything he did

i am hoping she sees how hypocritical she is, but I have lost all hope that she will listen, that’s why I finally had to put her where preacher is

but hey if you want to condone what she does. so be it
Click to expand...
Ad Hominem. My post was directed at you, not anyone else. You shared good advice about looking inside oneself, so use it.
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#3,685
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#3,685
ForestGreenCook said:
John 1:10-13, The world knew him not. Does this mean that all the inhabitants of the world knew him not? No it dosen't, but many received him. Who was it that received him? Those which were born of God.

There is a world of believers, and there is a world of non-believers. All of mankind does not make up either of these worlds.
Click to expand...
You are stretching the word, skewing the word and conflating verses like you normally do to come up with a non biblical point....won't work with me pal....
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#3,687
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#3,687
A new word.....Calvinogma <--used to describe the twisting, word changing, scripture embellishing practice of a Calvinite or a follower of Calvin's dogma.
 
Duskey

Duskey

Banned
#3,691
May 31, 2020
1,706
1,559
113
#3,691
Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men resulting in justification of life. ~ Romans 5:18
 
jackrosie

jackrosie

Banned
#3,692
May 19, 2020
3,050
1,275
113
#3,692
Grandpa said:
Jesus didn't take away the Law.

He gave BELIEVERS Rest from their work at the Law when they come to Him.

Otherwise, the Law is very much in effect.
Click to expand...


When I first became Born Again...when the Holy Spirit testified to my spirit,that I was his Child.....it was an “amazing “ experience “..to be brought into God’s light....you see everything in His light......He showed me his creation ,through the power of the Holy Spirit,that dwells in a believers heart.

It has been an incredible journey through my life......but I only have the Holy Spirit to thank for it........I try not to take the Lord for granted....over many yrs...His Power....Never ceases to “Amaze Me”......being a child of God,is an Honour and a privilege.....I will be forever in His debt.
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#3,693
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#3,693
Duskey said:
Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men resulting in justification of life. ~ Romans 5:18
Click to expand...
Amen....clear as hey.....!
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#3,694
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#3,694
Grandpa said:
Yes. By faith. That means BELIEVERS.

That's what I've been stating all along.

The Lord did not come to destroy the Law. It is held perfectly in place in order to lead His People to Him.

Once a person has come to Christ, IE Becomes a Believer, they are no longer under the Law.
Click to expand...
No ' by faith ' that means its by f
Grandpa said:
It has been dealt with at the cross ONLY FOR BELIEVERS.

Non believers still retain their own sin.
Click to expand...
Retain their own sin '? their still sinners if that's what you mean? Their sins are paid for . That's why we can say to everyone with sincerity ' Jesus has died and paid for all your sins . Even the sin of unbelief is paid for . After all everyone goes from unbelief to belief . No one is saved by the death of Jesus , which is when Jesus was reconciling the world to himself.
2cor5.19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
col 2.14
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
 
G

Grandpa

Senior Member
#3,695
Jun 24, 2011
11,551
3,188
113
#3,695
Duskey said:
Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men resulting in justification of life. ~ Romans 5:18
Click to expand...
All men are justified now too??
 
G

Grandpa

Senior Member
#3,697
Jun 24, 2011
11,551
3,188
113
#3,697
throughfaith said:
No ' by faith ' that means its by f
Retain their own sin '? their still sinners if that's what you mean? Their sins are paid for . That's why we can say to everyone with sincerity ' Jesus has died and paid for all your sins . Even the sin of unbelief is paid for . After all everyone goes from unbelief to belief . No one is saved by the death of Jesus , which is when Jesus was reconciling the world to himself.
2cor5.19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
col 2.14
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Click to expand...
There's 4-5 of you that really need to try and understand this scripture.

Romans 8:1-4
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


There is no condemnation, because of sinning against God and the law given by Moses, ONLY to those who are in Christ Jesus. That means BELIEVERS. That means ONLY those who have come to Christ Jesus and have received Rest and Salvation.

It is the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus that has made us free from the Law of sin and death.

A person HAS to be IN CHRIST in order to RECEIVE the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

A person HAS to come to Christ in order to have their sins taken away (ATONED) and to be justified and to no longer be under condemnation.
 
G

Grandpa

Senior Member
#3,699
Jun 24, 2011
11,551
3,188
113
#3,699
Are you all Universalists is that why you are having such a hard time with scripture?
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#3,700
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#3,700
Grandpa said:
There's 4-5 of you that really need to try and understand this scripture.

Romans 8:1-4
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


There is no condemnation, because of sinning against God and the law given by Moses, ONLY to those who are in Christ Jesus. That means BELIEVERS. That means ONLY those who have come to Christ Jesus and have received Rest and Salvation.

It is the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus that has made us free from the Law of sin and death.

A person HAS to be IN CHRIST in order to RECEIVE the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

A person HAS to come to Christ in order to have their sins taken away (ATONED) and to be justified and to no longer be under condemnation.
Click to expand...
Point 1 ) Everyone has had their sins paid for in full / dealt with ect
point 2) not everyone has the Glory .
For all have sinned ( this has been dealt with ) AND come short ...of what ? the GLORY of God . Point 2) Rom 3.23 . is only dealt with be receiving the atonement. Rom 5 .11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
By recieveing Jesus . John 1:12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 1.29 .
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,( point 1 ) much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.( point 2 )

col 2 14 ( point 1 ) 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
This is a struggle to see this with Calvinist lenses on .
 
Status
Not open for further replies.