Justified by work vs faith

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throughfaith

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I believe Jesus forgive to people whosoever believe in Him

What is believe mean
Not only believe that Jesus is God but also believe His teaching

And His teaching is to love your neighbors like youself, not all the way around, to murder your neighbors

If you not believe his teaching than you are not forgiven
So are you not saved ? The moment you believe you are saved .
1 cor 1 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
 

throughfaith

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I believe Jesus forgive to people whosoever believe in Him

What is believe mean
Not only believe that Jesus is God but also believe His teaching

And His teaching is to love your neighbors like youself, not all the way around, to murder your neighbors

If you not believe his teaching than you are not forgiven
Sealed by the Holy Spirit until you sin lots ? no ..until the day of redemption.
 

throughfaith

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I believe Jesus forgive to people whosoever believe in Him

What is believe mean
Not only believe that Jesus is God but also believe His teaching

And His teaching is to love your neighbors like youself, not all the way around, to murder your neighbors

If you not believe his teaching than you are not forgiven
if you believe Jesus died for all your sins past present and future why do you doubt him ? all of your sins were yet future when He paid for them . 2000 years ago when he said " it is finished " .
 

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Not inherit the kingdom mean go to heaven?


Murder etc describe unsave
Than save not murder isn't It

Or you believe save and unsave are murder?
I believe literally nothing can separate us including any sin . Because that s what the bible says. now I'm not saying go murder. No one is telling unbelievers to go murder either. I think statistics will show its those that don't think there is a God or any after life or any hope , murder ect .
 

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Eph 1
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until you murder ...? no the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.( Guarenteed )
What this verse mean to you?

Is for you this verse not agree with this verse

Galatians 5
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
 

Jackson123

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5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,Eph 1.5 This is saying ( inspite of what Calvinists have been told by Augustine , Calvin , Edwards , pink , Sproul, piper , ect ) is A Guarentee because God has guaranteed After you believe you are predestined to certain Adoption which is ( Rom 8.23 ) the redemption of the body . This is God's promise.
Jesus say If branch not bear the fruit, It Will be Cut and burn
 

Jackson123

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I believe literally nothing can separate us including any sin . Because that s what the bible says. now I'm not saying go murder. No one is telling unbelievers to go murder either. I think statistics will show its those that don't think there is a God or any after life or any hope , murder ect .
Sin separate Adam and eve from God.

The Wage of sin is death
Matt 5
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I believe literally in Galatians 5

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
 

Jackson123

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So are you not saved ? The moment you believe you are saved .
1 cor 1 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
We not discussed If I am save or not. We talking about what bible say about salvation

One of the verse that talking about how not save is
Galatians 5

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
 

Jackson123

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Sealed by the Holy Spirit until you sin lots ? no ..until the day of redemption.
Do you believe If you seal by Holy spirit you do rob the bank for living and not repent?

I do believe If one seal,by Holy spirit, one Will bear the fruit of the Holy spirit, not murder, but love
 

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I believe literally nothing can separate us including any sin . Because that s what the bible says. now I'm not saying go murder. No one is telling unbelievers to go murder either. I think statistics will show its those that don't think there is a God or any after life or any hope , murder ect .
1 timothy
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Depart from the faith

Mean was have faith and left It/No faith anymore or separate from God.
 

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1 timothy
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Depart from the faith

Mean was have faith and left It/No faith anymore or separate from God.
1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

So you presume that "depart from the faith" means that born again believers depart from saving faith in Christ and lose their salvation? The words "the faith" (Gr. tês pisteôs) in this context means the apostolic faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines. Some who are in a state of professing adherence to the apostolic faith, nevertheless will in both doctrine and practice depart from it, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, which demonstrates that their faith was never firmly rooted and established from the start.

Some "nominal" Christians will abandon the Christian faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines for cults or false religions. That does not prove they were previously born again. In 1 John 2:19, we read - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

I believe the beginning of such a major departing from the apostolic faith was evidenced as the Roman Catholic church rose in the early 4th century. The Roman Catholic church forbids it's clergy to marry. The Roman Catholic church has other demonic doctrines such as transubstantiation, purgatory, indulgences, papal infallibility etc..
 

throughfaith

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Jesus say If branch not bear the fruit, It Will be Cut and burn
So your not responding to any of the verses I give , but instead you ask for me to respond to your one verse ? what gives ? John 15 these things I have written to threaten you that if you do not work for your salvation I will send you to hell my beloved.

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11¶These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
 

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Thats what many of these guys believe. But refuse to admit and will instead resort to mental gymnastics.
That mean you believe to go to heaven don't need obidience, am I correct?
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Do you believe If you seal by Holy spirit you do rob the bank for living and not repent?

I do believe If one seal,by Holy spirit, one Will bear the fruit of the Holy spirit, not murder, but love
no where does it say seal is broken when we sin .
1 timothy
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Depart from the faith

Mean was have faith and left It/No faith anymore or separate from God.
Anything there about believers being sent into the lake of fire ?
 

throughfaith

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Thats what many of these guys believe. But refuse to admit and will instead resort to mental gymnastics.
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If obedience is required to go to heaven , why did Jesus have to die and rise again ? it never worked in the Old testament did it?
 

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Sin separate Adam and eve from God.

The Wage of sin is death
Matt 5
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I believe literally in Galatians 5

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
So people who are drunks cannot be saved ? Mark 2.17
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
 

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Thats what many of these guys believe. But refuse to admit and will instead resort to mental gymnastics.
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And yet those who hold to meritorious/ works to earn salvation distord the simple saving Gospel . From believing to be saved to working to be saved . Which is rebelling against God .
 

throughfaith

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Sin separate Adam and eve from God.

The Wage of sin is death
Matt 5
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I believe literally in Galatians 5

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Yes sin is bad and caused death . Who's disagreeing?. Then Jesus dealt with this problem on the cross .
2cor 5.19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Then randomly you jump to the Old testament to quote Mathew 5 about their righteousness having to exceed the Pharisees and scribes ? this is poor bible study . The Cross is after Mathew 5 did you notice ?
 

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1 timothy
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Depart from the faith

Mean was have faith and left It/No faith anymore or separate from God.
2timothy 2.13
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.