Justified by work vs faith

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Jackson123 said:
So hal 5:21 is what unbeliever does

Envying, murder, drunkenness etc = what unbeliever do

So If one was Christian and does that, he become unbeliever and not inherit the KD
Not make any different, murder not inherit KD, that say in that verse, don't change the verse
Galatians 5:21
“Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
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1 cor 6 is clearer .
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12¶All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
so it says they WERE those people before ( NON ,SAINTS ,NON CHRISTIAN , NOT SEALED , NOT JUSTIFIED )
So you will then miss apply probably and say well what if they do some of those things after being saved? Completely missing the point . No one can be saved by being good . Sins are not the issue . Jesus has dealt with that issue for everyone .
Christians are no where described as their former sins . Even the corinthians who are sinning badly and messing up and called ' carnal ' are called ' saints , justified , righteous, sanctified , sealed , guaranteed future glorification, beloved , brethern , ect . Paul is pointing out the contradiction they are living considering they are saved , secure ,cannot be lost ect . Paul wants them to mature with this knowledge.
 
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throughfaith said:
1 cor 6 is clearer .
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
12¶All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
so it says they WERE those people before ( NON ,SAINTS ,NON CHRISTIAN , NOT SEALED , NOT JUSTIFIED )
So you will then miss apply probably and say well what if they do some of those things after being saved? Completely missing the point . No one can be saved by being good . Sins are not the issue . Jesus has dealt with that issue for everyone .
Christians are no where described as their former sins . Even the corinthians who are sinning badly and messing up and called ' carnal ' are called ' saints , justified , righteous, sanctified , sealed , guaranteed future glorification, beloved , brethern , ect . Paul is pointing out the contradiction they are living considering they are saved , secure ,cannot be lost ect . Paul wants them to mature with this knowledge.
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You say before Christian, before seal people murder adulterer etc

How about after Being Christian or Being sealed ?
Any posibility for Christian commit adultery or murder?
 
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Jackson123 said:
You say before Christian, before seal people murder adulterer etc

How about after Being Christian or Being sealed ?
Any posibility for Christian commit adultery or murder?
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Of course . Paul said we still have the flesh / old man with the new man . before there was just the ' old '. Now daily we have the conflict ( romans 7
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21¶I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?)
As a Christian if we stand in front of a moving bus we get killed still . If we take drugs as a beliver we can still lose our jobs ,our marriages and our freedoms . The results of sins has not changed just because we became a Christian.
 
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throughfaith said:
ok were going round in circles here . The bible is not fighting within self. As I keep saying we have to interpret scripture with scripture. Galation 5 cannot undo The Holy Spirits seal , especially as we are clearly told how long we are seald until ,and there is no conditions placed on Recieving the Holy Spirit but through faith and not works. The bible also says who ever is Justified WILL be glorified. ( Rom 8 . 23 ,28 and onwards . Eph 1.13 , 4.30 , 1.5 .
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Believer are sealed, If they stop believe than stop Being sealed

Gal 5 not indo that verse, gal 5 explain or give more information

No where in the bible teach to hate and murder.

You believe after Being christians murder still go to heaven No need repent, liar and adulterer go to heaven

That is calvinis, not the bible teaching.

It is against the concept of the bible

Jesus say All law and prophet hang oN those 2 law

Love God and love other

Any teaching not condistence whit this Jesus teaching is not from god
 
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throughfaith said:
Of course . Paul said we still have the flesh / old man with the new man . before there was just the ' old '. Now daily we have the conflict ( romans 7
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21¶I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?)
As a Christian if we stand in front of a moving bus we get killed still . If we take drugs as a beliver we can still lose our jobs ,our marriages and our freedoms . The results of sins has not changed just because we became a Christian.
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Than we have posibility to use our freedom to stop obey God

Keep not obey No repent, .eep murder not inherit

Galatians 5:21
“Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
 
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Jackson123 said:
Believer are sealed, If they stop believe than stop Being sealed

Gal 5 not indo that verse, gal 5 explain or give more information

No where in the bible teach to hate and murder.

You believe after Being christians murder still go to heaven No need repent, liar and adulterer go to heaven

That is calvinis, not the bible teaching.

It is against the concept of the bible

Jesus say All law and prophet hang oN those 2 law

Love God and love other

Any teaching not condistence whit this Jesus teaching is not from god
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Good grief. I'm the one one here whos arguing against Calvinism the most ..No all of Calvinsim ,the 5 points are false.
Do you believe Hitler if he say received Jesus on his death bed could go to heaven if so why ?
Jackson123 said:
Than we have posibility to use our freedom to stop obey God

Keep not obey No repent, .eep murder not inherit

Galatians 5:21
“Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
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So a serial killer you believe that if He recieves Jesus on his death and recieves the Holy Spirit ,you believe he can go to heaven correct? is it his ' obedience that caused him to go to heaven ? His baptism , his deeds of faith ? his church attendance, tithing , promise of commitment , his works ? He died 2 hours later . What was the ' condition ' of his salvation ? He received Jesus , He was Sealed by the Holy Spirit . He was Justified and freed from the penalty of sin by the ' once for all sacrifice ' of Jesus . HE was BORN AGAIN .. which is the only way to enter heaven .
 
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Jackson123 said:
Than we have posibility to use our freedom to stop obey God

Keep not obey No repent, .eep murder not inherit

Galatians 5:21
“Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
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So again you are saying that Jesus death , burial and resurrection was not needed . We only have to obey God . Obey what ? all 613 commandments ? the sacrifices, build an Ark ? offer our Son on the alter ? posses the land of cannan , offer 2 turtle doves ? be circumcised, enter the promise land? don't pick up sticks on the sabbath ?
 
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Jackson123 said:
Than we have posibility to use our freedom to stop obey God

Keep not obey No repent, .eep murder not inherit

Galatians 5:21
“Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
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Will you have ' freedom ' to leave heaven? freedom to say " i don't want to be here anymore , I want to go to hell pleeeeeeeese !!!! No once heaven , always heaven . Once saved ,stay saved. Its not about freewill once your saved . Anymore than its about freewill if you were in the sea drowning calling for help ,reaching your arm up and someone saved you about brought you safely to land ." oh my freedom, how dare you save me completely against my free will ," said no one ever.
 
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Jackson123 said:
Than we have posibility to use our freedom to stop obey God

Keep not obey No repent, .eep murder not inherit

Galatians 5:21
“Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
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If all we had to do to be saved was to obey God then Jesus death was a waste of time . No one was saved by obeying God in the Old testament. If Jesus did not do what he did then no one would be in Heaven . Not Abraham, issac ,Jacob, moses , no one .
 
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You say you have eternal live now
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John 5:24 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
 
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John 5:24 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
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1 John 5:13
These things I have written to youwho believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that youhave eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the

how can you KNOW you HAVE eternal life if you do not have it?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
1 John 5:13
These things I have written to youwho believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that youhave eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the

how can you KNOW you HAVE eternal life if you do not have it?
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In order to know that you have eternal life.....the Holy Spirit testifies it to your spirit......without that....you wouldn’t have a clue....only He can reveal that to you,as you have received Him into your Heart....therefore now a child of God.
 
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throughfaith said:
If all we had to do to be saved was to obey God then Jesus death was a waste of time . No one was saved by obeying God in the Old testament. If Jesus did not do what he did then no one would be in Heaven . Not Abraham, issac ,Jacob, moses , no one .
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Only God can save you.......you will certainly know in your spirit if he does.....He Saved me 28 yrs ago.....never ever doubted my Faith........
 
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In order to know that you have eternal life.....the Holy Spirit testifies it to your spirit......without that....you wouldn’t have a clue....only He can reveal that to you,as you have received Him into your Heart....therefore now a child of God.
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John said I can know because I believe and have read what he wrote to us

While yes. The HS speaks to our spirit. Using this as the only guide may be misleading. Many claim to be led by the spirit yes we know from their teaching and lives they do not know God
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
John said I can know because I believe and have read what he wrote to us

While yes. The HS speaks to our spirit. Using this as the only guide may be misleading. Many claim to be led by the spirit yes we know from their teaching and lives they do not know God
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I Said he testifies to our Spirit,Bro.......I said the Holy Spirit testifies to our Spirit that we are his Child.....that is scriptural and truth.

If He hadn’t done that to me....then I wouldn’t have a clue who he was......my spirit recognised the Holy Spirit instantly.

It was the only guide I needed....a testifying to my Spirit......that was Huge!
 
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I Said he testifies to our Spirit,Bro.......I said the Holy Spirit testifies to our Spirit that we are his Child.....that is scriptural and truth.

If He hadn’t done that to me....then I wouldn’t have a clue who he was......my spirit recognised the Holy Spirit instantly.
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Same for me ..then I read what happened to me in the scriptures .
 
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Same for me ..then I read what happened to me in the scriptures .
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We have a wonderful Father,Bro.....what a privilege and Honour,how he testified to our spirit that He was “GOD”

How Huge was that!!........we’re talking “GOD” here......it blew my mind.....that was 28 yrs ago!
 
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We have a wonderful Father,Bro.....what a privilege and Honour,how he testified to our that He was “GOD”

How Huge was that!!........we’re talking “GOD” here......it blew my mind.....
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Of course. Absolutely. it should blow our minds every morning , that we are saved eternally. How wonderful is the Good news ? How wonderful is Jesus .
 
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Jackson123 said:
Believer are sealed, If they stop believe than stop Being sealed

Gal 5 not indo that verse, gal 5 explain or give more information

No where in the bible teach to hate and murder.

You believe after Being christians murder still go to heaven No need repent, liar and adulterer go to heaven

That is calvinis, not the bible teaching.

It is against the concept of the bible

Jesus say All law and prophet hang oN those 2 law

Love God and love other

Any teaching not condistence whit this Jesus teaching is not from god
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If it was us that had any part in the sealing then you could attribute salvation to the will of mankind and not God who works in us to both will and do his good pleasure.

Christianity is not a democracy. Remember our God not seen is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases .He makes our hearts soft as a work of his faith or labor of His love.

We have the treasure of His power working in theses earthen bodies of death but would never make the claim it is of us. And therefore blaspheme his holy name.

Faith, the working of the will cannot be separated from works..

Faith without the evidence of works is deader than a do nail .
 
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