The second coming of Jesus

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#41
No, those are metaphors, period. Neither is used in the context of a parable.


Blather.


Circular reasoning at its silliest.


A person could say that, but it wouldn't be consistent with what Scripture actually says.
Not consistent? Which parable does not use metaphors to teach us how to walk by faith.?

Scriptures, the circular or sealed reasoning law states . . .without parables Christ spoke not .(that's consistent)

Anyone who adds or subtracts from the perfect law of prophecy spoken in parables . . .has no faith needed to believe God .
Parables teach us how to walk by faith ,comforted by the Holy Spirit. He brings to our minds the things he has taught us. .Honor the parables as prophecy. Don't divide parables from prophecy and break the seal .
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,555
13,320
113
#42
Not consistent? Which parable does not use metaphors to teach us how to walk by faith.?
None of them. They were designed to conceal the truth from unbelievers, not to reveal it to believers.

Scriptures, the circular or sealed reasoning law states . . .without parables Christ spoke not .(that's consistent)
"The circular or sealed reasoning law"? From where do you get that wackiness?

Anyone who adds or subtracts from the perfect law of prophecy spoken in parables . . .has no faith needed to believe God .
Where is that in Scripture?

Parables teach us how to walk by faith ,comforted by the Holy Spirit. He brings to our minds the things he has taught us. .Honor the parables as prophecy. Don't divide parables from prophecy and break the seal .
More wackiness.

How about we stop hijacking this thread.
 

soberxp

Senior Member
May 3, 2018
2,511
482
83
#43
I agree. I don't want the subject to get weird.
He just doesn't believe that Jesus has come, so all his starting points are that he is perfect and others are Evil generation
Especially where Jesus is watching us . It's embarrassing.
 

soberxp

Senior Member
May 3, 2018
2,511
482
83
#44
I know the day and Hour ,2008=2+0+0+8=10.10.10 am 12
十 is ten in Chinese
十 十 十
Jesus disaster Friday
that day 2008.10.10 AM12:00 IS Friday
DO YOUR GOOGLE SEARCH!
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#46
None of them. They were designed to conceal the truth from unbelievers, not to reveal it to believers.


"The circular or sealed reasoning law"? From where do you get that wackiness?


Where is that in Scripture?


More wackiness.

How about we stop hijacking this thread.
They were designed to conceal the truth from unbelievers, and to reveal the gospel to believers. Both as one work of His faith (prophecy.)

You sound like Rodger Miler and the do wacky do wacky do.. . will do. Gotta tiger by the tail ?

A get my circular reasoning from the sealed perfect law of God. Not in part the whole circle. , The kind . .what goes around come around. Opinions as the philosophies of men are not sealed. There is no end to the line of reasoning or beginning as incomplete. No circuit just a whole lot of faithless lying wonders . Make a noise and fall backward. Or pre tend parables conceal and not reveal the gospel hid to a kingdom of priest .

Parables (proverbs) like tongues are prophecy . No difference .

Proverbs 25:1-3 King James Version (KJV) These are also proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out. It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,555
13,320
113
#47
A get my circular reasoning from the sealed perfect law of God. Not in part the whole circle. , The kind . .what goes around come around. Opinions as the philosophies of men are not sealed. There is no end to the line of reasoning or beginning as incomplete. No circuit just a whole lot of faithless lying wonders . Make a noise and fall backward. Or pre tend parables conceal and not reveal the gospel hid to a kingdom of priest .
I would tell you what "circular reasoning" is, but I have done so several times, and you have refused to listen. I would tell you to go and look it up for yourself, but I have done so several times, and you have refused to learn. Yet you pretend that you understand it, and use your made-up version of it in an attempt to explain something to me.

May the Lord bless you with right understanding.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#48
I would tell you what "circular reasoning" is, but I have done so several times, and you have refused to listen. I would tell you to go and look it up for yourself, but I have done so several times, and you have refused to learn. Yet you pretend that you understand it, and use your made-up version of it in an attempt to explain something to me.

May the Lord bless you with right understanding.
Thanks I am hoping I have the right understanding,

I have looked it up .Scripture the law of God proves scripture, the law of God.

The philosophers do not appreciate the circular law (the perfect) . Laws complete the circuit. as it is written. Three times when the god of philosophy tried to break the circle .The father rebuked the devil giving words to His apostles Jesus again and again as it is written . The circle remains unbroken .God our mighty fortress keep out the philosophies of men .

No law no trespass. Be your own god let your imagination or conscience be the end or the beginning..
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,555
13,320
113
#49
Thanks I am hoping I have the right understanding,

I have looked it up .Scripture the law of God proves scripture, the law of God.

The philosophers do not appreciate the circular law (the perfect) . Laws complete the circuit. as it is written. Three times when the god of philosophy tried to break the circle .The father rebuked the devil giving words to His apostles Jesus again and again as it is written . The circle remains unbroken .God our mighty fortress keep out the philosophies of men .

No law no trespass. Be your own god let your imagination or conscience be the end or the beginning..
Garee, the term is not in Scripture, so you cannot possibly learn the meaning of it from Scripture.

There is no such thing as "the circular law" in Scripture. There is no "three times when the god of philosophy tried to break the circle". Circular reasoning has nothing to do with "the philosophies of men".

Why do you refuse to learn?
 

soberxp

Senior Member
May 3, 2018
2,511
482
83
#50
1-Thessalonians

4:15
According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

4:16
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

4:17
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

4:18
Therefore encourage each other with these words.

the
. r
. e
. is
. no
. such
. thing
. as
. raptrue
. before
. you
. sleep
. and
. dead
. in

. christ
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
#51
Garee, the term is not in Scripture, so you cannot possibly learn the meaning of it from Scripture.



There is no such thing as "the circular law" in Scripture. There is no "three times when the god of philosophy tried to break the circle". Circular reasoning has nothing to do with "the philosophies of men".

Why do you refuse to learn?
The law as a complete circuit is there. What goes around comes around. What God says, God does.


Circular completes the circuit . . You could say the kind of circle God sits on and its inhabitants are as grasshoppers (the law of God surround the inhabitant of earth ) A perfect working law . Full circuit not it part but the whole .

Isaiah 40:22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Not the letter of the law death. without the unseen law of faith, life . Faith must be mixed or no gospel .The circular law is both to will and to do. God sets up law and enforces it His will does not return void. .His tongue has the power of life or that of death

6-11 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the Lord is perfect, (Do its labor of love, work of his faith ) converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise (Doing its labor of love, work of his faith ) the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

The letter of the law death coupled with the law of faith (life giving)The circle cannot be broken .Why reason after the philosophies of men? No end or beginning.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,555
13,320
113
#52
The law as a complete circuit is there. What goes around comes around. What God says, God does.


Circular completes the circuit . . You could say the kind of circle God sits on and its inhabitants are as grasshoppers (the law of God surround the inhabitant of earth ) A perfect working law . Full circuit not it part but the whole .

Isaiah 40:22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Not the letter of the law death. without the unseen law of faith, life . Faith must be mixed or no gospel .The circular law is both to will and to do. God sets up law and enforces it His will does not return void. .His tongue has the power of life or that of death

6-11 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the Lord is perfect, (Do its labor of love, work of his faith ) converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise (Doing its labor of love, work of his faith ) the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

The letter of the law death coupled with the law of faith (life giving)The circle cannot be broken .Why reason after the philosophies of men? No end or beginning.
Your concept of what "circular reasoning" means is objectively wrong.
 
4

49

Guest
#53
I know the day and Hour ,2008=2+0+0+8=10.10.10 am 12
十 is ten in Chinese
十 十 十
Jesus disaster Friday
that day 2008.10.10 AM12:00 IS Friday
DO YOUR GOOGLE SEARCH!
????????
 

wolfwint

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2014
3,589
873
113
61
#54
You didn't really read this post. I just want to tell you that he has come. If you always want to take the Bible against the Bible, I have nothing to say. I have already said what should be said, the evidence that should be given and has been given. These are not what I want to say, but what I saw unintentionally. I don't want to be different from others,

This is not the last failure , 70AD announced that he would come back, this time he really came, why can't you believe ?after 2000 years.

It's not that God can't let you see Jesus,Because you didn't see him, you believed, you were blessed.
BLESSINGS TO ALL
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

It's just that when you see this information, you choose not to believe it, because as long as one person lies, you will doubt the truth.

I just wrote and drew what I saw, and a lot of what I saw I didn't write and draw. I just regret why I didn't take a photograph,I think it's probably because of the first commandment in the law.To tell honestly is not worth than a photograph.sad.

I'm not mixing anything in the bible,
I just add my feelings. It's not the first time I've said The second coming of Jesus. I've talked about it in other American forums before. I've met too many people as you. It's not surprising to see so many people as you, so I think,In China, there is a old proverb,There is a man who likes Chinese dragons very much,his name is Lord Ye. His house is full of paintings and books about Chinese dragons. One day, the Chinese dragon comes to him.He was frightened, and he didn't know what to do.
Do you see any difference between you and this person?(God knows everything even the future)
I meaning Dragon can represent lies,so maybe the fact of chinese old proverb not really true for/to you(this is just my feeling,it's not bible?????)So for me, when he came, you didn't know what to do.

what to do,
It's your choice, not mine.but the Bible has written what to do.
Well, in my eyes you are a false prophet, if you claim that Jesus already has come for his 2nd coming.
 

Ahwatukee

Senior Member
Mar 12, 2015
11,162
2,380
113
#55
1-Thessalonians

4:15
According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

4:16
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

4:17
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

4:18
Therefore encourage each other with these words.

the
. r
. e
. is
. no
. such
. thing
. as
. rapture
. before
. you
. sleep
. and
. dead
. in

. christ

The scripture above simply means, as it states, that the dead in Christ will rise first (resurrect), then immediately after the dead have been resurrected, those who are alive in Christ will be changed immortal and glorified and will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. At this point the entire church from beginning to the end will be gathered in the air, where at which time the promise of John 14:1-3 will be fulfilled when the Lord takes the entire church, his bride, back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us.

Resurrection = the dead in Christ will rise first

Caught up (Rapture) = The living changed and caught up

Those in Christ who are still alive are not resurrected because they will still be alive and are therefore will just be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies and caught up with those who will have just been resurrected in their immortal and glorified bodies. Simply put, you can't be resurrected if you're not dead, because the word 'anastasis' translated as 'resurrection' means to stand up again in the same body.

The entire event of the dead being resurrected and the living being changed and caught up, will take place in the blink of an eye.
 

soberxp

Senior Member
May 3, 2018
2,511
482
83
#56
I now know why Jesus chose me,cuz I only hold the bible.
You embrace this false doctrine of False prophet
You can't precede the dead who was sleeping in christ.
you can't enter into heaven before you sleep and dead in christ.
The fact is Jesus has come
one day you will know the truth,but too late
 

soberxp

Senior Member
May 3, 2018
2,511
482
83
#57
The scripture above simply means, as it states, that the dead in Christ will rise first (resurrect), then immediately after the dead have been resurrected, those who are alive in Christ will be changed immortal and glorified and will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. At this point the entire church from beginning to the end will be gathered in the air, where at which time the promise of John 14:1-3 will be fulfilled when the Lord takes the entire church, his bride, back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us.

Resurrection = the dead in Christ will rise first

Caught up (Rapture) = The living changed and caught up

Those in Christ who are still alive are not resurrected because they will still be alive and are therefore will just be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies and caught up with those who will have just been resurrected in their immortal and glorified bodies. Simply put, you can't be resurrected if you're not dead, because the word 'anastasis' translated as 'resurrection' means to stand up again in the same body.

The entire event of the dead being resurrected and the living being changed and caught up, will take place in the blink of an eye.
I now know why Jesus chose me,cuz I only hold the bible.
You embrace this false doctrine of False prophet
You can't precede the dead who was sleeping in christ.
you can't enter into heaven before you sleep and dead in christ.
The fact is Jesus has come
one day you will know the truth,but too late
John 11:11-14

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

come on, it's easy to understand it. the sleep here means dead
In The eyes of Jesus, he really sleep until that day resurrection.

1-Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
 

soberxp

Senior Member
May 3, 2018
2,511
482
83
#58
The bible says no one knows the day and the hour about Jesus second coming,but only farther knows.
But that day has come
I know the day and Hour ,2008=2+0+0+8=10.10.10 am 12
十 is ten in Chinese
10.10.10
十 十 十
Jesus disaster Friday
And two other people were crucified in the day,so there were three cross in that day.
that day 2008.10.10 AM12:00 IS Friday,
friday.jpg
Hebrews 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Romans 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
 

soberxp

Senior Member
May 3, 2018
2,511
482
83
#59
Well, in my eyes you are a false prophet, if you claim that Jesus already has come for his 2nd coming.
I am not prophet or a false prophet ,:ROFL:
I am a hindsight:p
 

Ahwatukee

Senior Member
Mar 12, 2015
11,162
2,380
113
#60
I now know why Jesus chose me,cuz I only hold the bible.
You embrace this false doctrine of False prophet
You can't precede the dead who was sleeping in christ.
you can't enter into heaven before you sleep and dead in christ.
The fact is Jesus has come
one day you will know the truth,but too late
Then you haven't understood the following scripture:

================================================
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
================================================

According to the above, the Lord descends from heaven and those who will have died in Christ will rise first. Then immediately after that, those in Christ who are still alive will be caught up with those who will have just resurrected. This is supported right in the scripture which says:

"After that (their resurrected), we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air."

you can't enter into heaven before you sleep and dead in Christ.

We've already seen in scripture others who have been taken up without first dying, as Enoch & Elijah never died a physical death.

The appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ and the living being changed and gathered to Him, is the Blessed Hope. It's what Jesus told all living believers to be watching for, because when the resurrection takes place, those in Christ will not experience physical death, but will be changed immortal and glorified and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. The scripture above makes that perfectly clear. Read it! You can't misinterpret it. The other scripture in I Corinthians 15:51-53 also speaks about those in Christ who are still alive being changed and caught up:

================================================
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
===============================================

So, as the scripture above states, we will not all be sleeping, i.e. we will not all be dead, but we (those living) will also be changed immortal and glorified.

The resurrection of the dead in Christ and the living in Christ being changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air, is the event that every Christian should be looking forward to and anticipating. We don't have died before in order to be caught up. Those who have died, their spirits are awaiting for their resurrection from heaven. We who are still alive, are waiting for the Lord's appearing so that we can be changed immortal and glorified. Regarding this, you have the following promise:

=============================================
In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.
=============================================

So, when the dead are raised and the living are changed and caught up with them, the Lord will then take His entire church back to the Father's house to those places that He prepared for us. This is the promise that all believers are watching for. If you're not watching for this event, then you are not heeding the Lord's word, which is to watch.

How do you think the living believers would escape the coming wrath of God? Not all believers in Christ are going to be dead when the Lord appears? It is those living who will be changed and caught up.