Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

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Iconoclast said:
Second death is passing into the eternalrealm after physical death,spiritual death continues eternally after being raised.
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revelation 20
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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Iconoclast said:
Second death is passing into the eternalrealm after physical death,spiritual death continues eternally after being raised.
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If any man ends up in hell, he's going to a place never intended for him.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 
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dcontroversal said:
Notice...she was saved without reading the bible....

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word. No one is saved without the word of Gid being proclaimed....and this is the fatal lie of Calvinism! Salvation without the word of God being preached or proclaimed!
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Haha.....Faith comes by the Holy Spirit testifying to my spirit that I am his child,born again...He has taken up residence in my spirit,how else would I know I’m a child of God?...hahaha.

All I see from you,is head knowledge,conjured up by your own understanding...
 
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John146 said:
You received the Holy Spirit without first hearing and trusting the gospel of Jesus Christ?
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The Holy Spirit testified to “my spirit” do you understand that?..he spoke to my spirit,which recognised Him instantly.that I am his child......How about you,how were you saved?
 
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John146 said:
If man dies twice, it was not appointed by God.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
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Surely you know a man is spiritually dead,until they are saved born again by God?

Then they become alive in Christ a new birth....we are children of God and our new life in Him begins.....we are dead and nothing without Him!
 
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John146 said:
You received the Holy Spirit without first hearing and trusting the gospel of Jesus Christ?
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Dusky,liked your comment,yet on another post that many are saved without ever reading a bible...He agreed with and said “ so what”..make your mind up Dusky......
 
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jackrosie said:
The Holy Spirit testified to “my spirit” do you understand that?..he spoke to my spirit,which recognised Him instantly.that I am his child......How about you,how were you saved?
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That's not scriptural. The order of salvation is:

1. hearing the word of truth the gospel of your salvation
2. believing the gospel of your salvation
3. the Holy Spirit comes in and seals you at that point for the day of redemption
 
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jackrosie said:
Surely you know a man is spiritually dead,until they are saved born again by God?

Then they become alive in Christ a new birth....we are children of God and our new life in Him begins.....we are dead and nothing without Him!
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Scripture is clear, it is never appointed for man to die twice. If a man dies twice, it was not appointed by God.
 
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jackrosie said:
Dusky,liked your comment,yet on another post that many are saved without ever reading a bible...He agreed with and said “ so what”..make your mind up Dusky......
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In order to trust in Jesus for salvation, one must hear the gospel of their salvation. That's Bible. Your disagreement is with God's word not Duskey or anyone else.
 
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John146 said:
That's not scriptural. The order of salvation is:

1. hearing the word of truth the gospel of your salvation
2. believing the gospel of your salvation
3. the Holy Spirit comes in and seals you at that point for the day of redemption
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That is scriptural.....it’s just that you don’t understand it.....
 
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jackrosie said:
Haha.....Faith comes by the Holy Spirit testifying to my spirit that I am his child,born again...He has taken up residence in my spirit,how else would I know I’m a child of God?...hahaha.

All I see from you,is head knowledge,conjured up by your own understanding...
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Have you received Him? Have you believed upon His name? Pretty simple, really.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
 
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John146 said:
In order to trust in Jesus for salvation, one must hear the gospel of their salvation. That's Bible. Your disagreement is with God's word not Duskey or anyone else.
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In order for me to believe in Jesus,I had to have it testified to my heart,it’s called heart knowledge,which you don’t seem to understand,which by His Wonderful Grace He revealed that to little old me.
 
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jackrosie said:
That is scriptural.....it’s just that you don’t understand it.....
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Your claim is false and does not align with Scripture. You claim you received the Holy Spirit without hearing and believing the gospel of your salvation. Please rethink your position and align with God's word.
 
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John146 said:
Have you received Him? Have you believed upon His name? Pretty simple, really.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
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Have I received Him.....of course I have recieved Him....He chose me ,I never had a choice...he resides in my spirit....surely you must know that?....he opens scripture up to us.
 
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John146 said:
Your claim is false and does not align with Scripture. You claim you received the Holy Spirit without hearing and believing the gospel of your salvation. Please rethink your position and align with God's word.
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What are you talking about,of course I heard and received..hahaha.....I think it is you who needs to think their position in Christ.

You are coming from your own understanding and it shows in what you post...you don’t understand the scripture I presented to you.
 
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John146 said:
In order to trust in Jesus for salvation, one must hear the gospel of their salvation. That's Bible. Your disagreement is with God's word not Duskey or anyone else.
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You don’t know how God saves His Children.....I presented scripture you dismissed it,because you don’t understand it.
 
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John146 said:
Have you received Him? Have you believed upon His name? Pretty simple, really.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
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Did you receive the Holy Spirit into your heart.....?....
 
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John146 said:
The NFT (New Fatalist Translation) For God so loved the world of the elect...
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Funny, yet sad some believe it is saying that.

Calvinism is more sinister the more I look into it. The devastating effects of fatalism can be seen in places like India, where many believe in hinduism, which, along with islam and calvinism believe in predestination of all things.
A belief like that is guaranteed to breed complacency and in the case of Calvinism, fear that you may not be one of the elect, but one of the deceived.

To eliminate the free will of man is to eliminate genuine love for God and human responsibility. I agree with Justin Martyr on that one.
 
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