Justified by work vs faith

[Guojing]

How can someone have faith and claim to love the God they can't see if they hate the neighbor they can?

That's like asking do I believe that water is dry. Its a categorical error.

I see you have read 1 John

Out of curiosity, Do you think one needs to love God, in order to be saved?

 

[Jackson123]

How can someone have faith and claim to love the God they can't see if they hate the neighbor they can?

That's like asking do I believe that water is dry. Its a categorical error.

So,you believe hate God go to hell, salvation by faith doesn't mean murder or other hate action go to heaven as long as have faith,

People in my church believe, because salvation by faith, murder is still go to heaven no need repent, only lose the reward.

Faith alone, work no effect, murder no effect on salvation.

 

[Bbrdrd]

So,you believe hate God go to hell, salvation by faith doesn't mean murder or other hate action go to heaven as long as have faith,

People in my church believe, because salvation by faith, murder is still go to heaven no need repent, only lose the reward.

Faith alone, work no effect, murder no effect on salvation.

It sounds like people in your church have a poor understanding of what it means to have faith.

Unrepentant sinners are unbelievers, as anyone who has salvific faith has a new nature that is sensitive to matters of sin.

 

[Jackson123]

It sounds like people in your church have a poor understanding of what it means to have faith.

Unrepentant sinners are unbelievers, as anyone who has salvific faith has a new nature that is sensitive to matters of sin.

I agree, we still do sin but we have to repent every time we sin.

 

[PC123]

By grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works

All people are called by God to salvation in Christ. Through Christ alone are we justified, when we receive this salvation in faith. Faith is itself God's gift through the Holy Spirit who works through word and sacrament in the community of believers and who, at the same time, leads believers into that renewal of life which God will bring to completion in eternal life.

From the joint declaration on the doctrine of justification

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree, we still do sin but we have to repent every time we sin.

That’s impossible. As we do not even know every time we sin. If this was true no one would make it to heaven

 

[Jackson123]

By grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works

All people are called by God to salvation in Christ. Through Christ alone are we justified, when we receive this salvation in faith. Faith is itself God's gift through the Holy Spirit who works through word and sacrament in the community of believers and who, at the same time, leads believers into that renewal of life which God will bring to completion in eternal life.

From the joint declaration on the doctrine of justification

So what is that mean?

Murder no need repent as long as have faith will go to heaven? Because save by faith alone?

Or faith will bear the fruit of loving work

 

[Jackson123]

That’s impossible. As we do not even know every time we sin. If this was true no one would make it to heaven

So you don't agree with Galatians 5:21

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you don't agree with Galatians 5:21

Dude I am a little sick of your consists t accusatory remarks
what I said has nothing to do with Galatians 5 and as usual Your try to twist and accuse

You can not possibly know every sin you commit. So if repentance is required your in serious trouble. Because you have no way to heaven. You can’t confess what you do not know.

 

[jackrosie]

I agree, we still do sin but we have to repent every time we sin.

Galatians 5:17-18

For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit,and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.
They are in conflict with each other,so that you are not to do whatever you want.
But if you are led by the Spirit,you are not under the law.

 

[jackrosie]

That’s

That’s impossible. As we do not even know every time we sin. If this was true no one would make it to heaven

Even though we are born again/saved?

 

[Rosemaryx]

Dude I am a little sick of your consists t accusatory remarks
what I said has nothing to do with Galatians 5 and as usual Your try to twist and accuse

You can not possibly know every sin you commit. So if repentance is required your in serious trouble. Because you have no way to heaven. You can’t confess what you do not know.

Thank God His grace and mercy are new every morning...
...xox...

 

[PC123]

So what is that mean?

Murder no need repent as long as have faith will go to heaven? Because save by faith alone?

Or faith will bear the fruit of loving work

The answer to your questions is in the link i provided... But the short answer is no and no...
Do we want to approach God with good deeds or bad deeds??? I think the answer is obvious...

 

[Jackson123]

Dude I am a little sick of your consists t accusatory remarks
what I said has nothing to do with Galatians 5 and as usual Your try to twist and accuse

You can not possibly know every sin you commit. So if repentance is required your in serious trouble. Because you have no way to heaven. You can’t confess what you do not know.

I am not twist anything, I just quote Galatians 5 :21
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

This is what Paul say

.......not inherit the kingdom of God

And I believe it though I am a sinner. But every body free to believe this verse or not

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Even though we are born again/saved?

Do you know every possible sin you can possibly commit?

 

[Jackson123]

The answer to your questions is in the link i provided... But the short answer is no and no...
Do we want to approach God with good deeds or bad deeds??? I think the answer is obvious...

Do you give a link?

It seem you believe we have to come to the Lord with good deed. Do as a sinner every time we do our hoby, we have to say sorry to the Lord, or Galatians 5 will aplply for us isn't it?

 

[Jackson123]

Do you know every possible sin you can possibly commit?

Dude some sin are cristal clear even non believer know

Example stealing, every body know it is a sin.

God may( it only my opinion) understand for the sin that we don't know. But do you believe you don't need to repent for the sin that you know?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank God His grace and mercy are new every morning...
...xox...

Amen. Praise god because I deserve hell.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am not twist anything, I just quote Galatians 5 :21
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

This is what Paul say

.......not inherit the kingdom of God

And I believe it though I am a sinner. But every body free to believe this verse or not

Your about to go on ignore
that passage has nothing to do with what u said. Hence it is useless in responding to My Question so once again, how can you know every sin you commit?

 

[PC123]

Do you give a link?

It seem you believe we have to come to the Lord with good deed. Do as a sinner every time we do our hoby, we have to say sorry to the Lord, or Galatians 5 will aplply for us isn't it?

If your asking if we need to confess then i would say yes...

Here... Click on this... joint declaration on the doctrine of justification