"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved".

[garee]

We see many posts, on Christianchat, that go back and forth as to the proper understanding of Soteriology (The study of salvation). Many use the terms "Calvinism" or "Arminianism". This battle should be called "Free Grace vs. Free Will" and it has raged for Centuries. The ones who hold to "Free Grace", believe in the "Eternal Covenant of Grace". This covenant was foreshadowed, in the covenant with Abraham. They believe that salvation is all of God, set forth in Eternity. Those on the "Free Will" side, deny "Limited Atonement", "spiritual depravity" and attempt to place man's will on a par with God's in salvation.

What unsaved men and many religionist truly hate though, is:

The Sovereignty of God!

Those on the "Free Grace" side, do not kick against God's Sovereignty, they rejoice in it. Those who attempt to place mans "Free Will" in to the mix, must attempt to usurp God's Sovereignty, in order to dismantle the doctrine of ELECTION. This doctrine is the extension of the "Covenant of Grace, which was settled in Eternity before anything was created. The oft time complaint is, "God would never force His will on our will." Complete foolishness. He would and He does.

Let's test ourselves, to see if we be in the faith. (2 Cor. 13:15) Do we kick against Sovereignty or love it:

God's Sovereignty in Creation and His Sustaining it:

1) God is the Creator of all things. (Genesis)
2) God sustains His creation, moment by moment.
--- Isa 42:5 Thus saith God Jehovah, he that created the heavens, and stretched them forth; he that spread abroad the earth and that which is coming out of it; he that is giving breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
--- Rev 11:11 And after the three days and a half the breath of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that beheld them.
--- Col 1:15-16 who is the image of the invisible God (Christ), the firstborn of all creation; for in Him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; (Note here that everything, including who is going to rule, who has authority and how things are governed, is included.)

God's Sovereignty in Providence:

1) God's eternal purpose is being worked out in time.
--- Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven:
--- Ecc 3:14-15 I know that, whatsoever God is doing, it shall be for ever: nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that men should fear before him. That which is has been long ago; and that which is to be has long ago been: and God is seeking again that which is passed away. (With God there is no past or future in eternity, just the ever present NOW. If we have the right concept of eternity, then this passage is easy to understand but if no proper understanding, a person reading this will be lost. Since nothing can be added and nothing can be lost, then in the case of the elect, the number saved is sure. Those adhering to "Free Grace" should rejoice at this assurance.)
--- Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;
--- Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create calamity. I am Jehovah, that is doing all these things.

God's Sovereignty in our Birth:

--- Job 31:15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?
--- Isa 44:2 Thus saith Jehovah that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, who will help thee: Fear not, O Jacob my servant; and thou, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.

God's Sovereignty in Rulers:

--- Exo 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
--- Pro 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of Jehovah as the watercourses: He is turning it wheresoever he will.
--- John 19:10-11 Pilate therefore saith unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have authority to release thee, and have authority to crucify thee? Jesus answered him, Thou would not have any authority against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath greater sin.

God's Sovereignty in Salvation:

1) God's sovereign Purpose:
--- Acts_26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
---Rom 8:28 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose.
---Rom 9:11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that is calling,
---Ecc 11:5 As you are not knowing what is the way of the wind, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child; even so you are not knowing the work of God who is doing it all.
2) God's Sovereign Election/Divine choice:
--- Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:
---Col 1:12-14 giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light; who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
---Rom 11:7 What then? That which Israel is looking for, that he obtained it not; but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened:
---1Th 1:4 knowing, brethren beloved of God, your election,
3) God's Sovereignty in Choice/Application:
---Rom 8:28-29 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, ( These first three points, Purpose, foreknowledge and predestination, are the direct results of God's eternal Love.). them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. ( The next three, Called, Justified and Glorified, are God's actions toward the Elect only.)

Finally, these verses should give all true believers reason to rejoice:

Rom 9:24-26 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved. And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.

For the only way that one can LOVE God, is in this way:

1Jn 4:19 We love, because He first loved us.

Could give more but out of room

Yes he does the first work in creating. "Let there be a new creature" and it was good. The call of the gospel .Come unto me you who have no sabbath rest and give you eternal life The same comforting love we repent to when his grace calls us back ..

 

[Corban]

This verse is matt 24 verse 13-15

Endure from what?

Verse 6

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

From persecutions

Younendure not deny Jesus during persecution

Being from Muslim country I understand it is not easy from Muslim convert not deny Jesus.
I am born Christian but I know one ex Muslim Christian deny Jesus on the youtube.

He was say on the YouTube that he is convert to Christian, about a year latter he say that he back to Muslim, than about 3 month latter he say on the youtube that he wasdeny jesus because under threat. Hundred of Muslim was serounding his house and ask him to deny Jesus or they kill his family.

So I believe base on verse 6, endure on verse 13 is endure from persecition

Fair enough. But you quote a verse about war and say that this means denying Jesus? But you are entitled to your opinion. God bless.

 

[Absolutely]

Yes I would agree, the verse qualifies it to the believer in Christ, it is about the tribulation period and their physical survival of those events.

You completely reframed that.
It is referring to death.
18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved


Here you go...here is the context;

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

I do not NEED IT to be reframed.
Endure to the end was EXPRESSLY Jesus speaking to his disciples.

The end was death.

But it is even further emphasized to make sure the MESSAGE IS CLEAR....

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.


All that context is clear...Crystal Clear!!!!

Enduring to the end is martyrdom.

The end of life on earth.

I do not need it changed to fit a false doctrine and lie that some imaginary saints are running from cave to cave escaping the antichrist and somehow the church gets raptured AFTER THE FLOOD...AFTER LOT ENDURES THE HAIL OF FIRE.

You guys got to reframe or ignore 20 or so verses and reframe others to Make that doctrine fit.

Endure to the end is now properly understood

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ May the readers not fail to read also in that context [latter passage ^ ] verses 5-6 and verse 23 -

"5 These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." [and...] "23 [...] for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come." Matthew 10




[note to readers: ALL "Son of man coming/shall come/be come/coming of/[etc]" passages speak of His Second Coming to the earth (to judge and to reign; yet future [that is, NOT "Preterism"]) FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (not 'our Rapture' point in time); [and] the "ye/you" of this passage [Matt10] is a "proleptic 'ye/you'"... basically meaning, 'all those in the future, of the same category,' and in this context it is, 'those TO WHOM the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom was promised' (that is, Israel [for those of them who believe--not those who do/will not, mind you])]

 

[Chester]

I am not afraid of the need to endure to the end to be saved. That is a challenge and a privilege. PTL!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In the context of Matthew 24, Jesus is referring to his followers enduring the great tribulation. Very easy to interpret different if you're attempting to conform scripture to pre-tribulation rapture theology, but scripture speaks for itself. Read Matthew 24 again with this in mind.

Matthew 24:3 "While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

The discourse that follows is the admonition to his disciples to not be deceived and to read the signs of the time accurately: persecution for being a Christian being one of the signs of "His coming and of the end of the age."

Amen unless we are in those days that warning (Endure to the end) is not directed to us

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am not afraid of the need to endure to the end to be saved. That is a challenge and a privilege. PTL!

If you have to endure to the end to be eternally saved salvation is if you not God

 

[Guojing]

I am not afraid of the need to endure to the end to be saved. That is a challenge and a privilege. PTL!

You will enjoy 1 Peter 1, and 1 Peter 4 then.

 

[Absolutely]

If you have to endure to the end to be eternally saved salvation is if you not God

Context.

Doctrine never trumps Gods word.

Read the context.
Jesus said "if you deny me before men I will deny you b 4 my father.

But that is just Jesus sayin it.

I guess once saved always saved has various ways around that.

 

[Absolutely]

Bible is a thread killer

 

[Absolutely]

Lol