What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?
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Consider the serial killer that makes news having slaughtered untold numbers of innocent women, children, or men.
If that person didn't act of their own free will and we accept nothing we do is our own, but of God, what then does it say of God when we read about a serial killer?
Deuteronomy 30:19-20 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the Lord .
If that person didn't act of their own free will and we accept nothing we do is our own, but of God, what then does it say of God when we read about a serial killer?
Deuteronomy 30:19-20 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the Lord .
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Denominations -- i like 100's and 1000's but im not gonna turn my back on 20s 10s 5s and 1s. 
Such a loaded topic.
Denominations replace the recognition of the body of Christ according to the Spirit.
Membership replaces fellowship in the holy spirit.
My background
baptist as a kid (9 years, declared my faith and was baptized at age 8)
Parents helped plant the Church that is at about 1k now
non denom as a youth, following with mom and dad (5 years)
Street mission outreach Church as a young man at 14 Left with my Dads blessing (6 years)
international fellowship. (3 years)
Chinese Church (2 years)
College church planting 0 to about 40 in 6 months "Go Mighty Mike!"
Korean Church (4 years)
Another non denom (5 years) started by a pastor who brought it to like 50 handed it off to the junior pastor and left to the worst part of CA to do it again. (respect Daniel)
Filipino Church (1 year)
visited many others (Seeker,Apostolic, Pentecostals, synagogues)
Bible studies with cemetery students and ex satanists.
Some street preaching.
Sitting and talking with the homeless.
Reading my bible at the local bar
Reading my bible at the local coffee shop
But mostly I would say if you had to try and put where all that ended up in a little box.
If i had to choose a Denominational label it would just be
"Holiness"
in the vain of - Keith Green, David Wilkerson, Leonard Ravenhill, William J. Seymour, Charles Finney, John Wesley.
Perhaps more then you expected but your cant really reduce some ones faith to a label and actually still be dealing with an individual.
Such a loaded topic.
Denominations replace the recognition of the body of Christ according to the Spirit.
Membership replaces fellowship in the holy spirit.
My background
baptist as a kid (9 years, declared my faith and was baptized at age 8)
Parents helped plant the Church that is at about 1k now
non denom as a youth, following with mom and dad (5 years)
Street mission outreach Church as a young man at 14 Left with my Dads blessing (6 years)
international fellowship. (3 years)
Chinese Church (2 years)
College church planting 0 to about 40 in 6 months "Go Mighty Mike!"
Korean Church (4 years)
Another non denom (5 years) started by a pastor who brought it to like 50 handed it off to the junior pastor and left to the worst part of CA to do it again. (respect Daniel)
Filipino Church (1 year)
visited many others (Seeker,Apostolic, Pentecostals, synagogues)
Bible studies with cemetery students and ex satanists.
Some street preaching.
Sitting and talking with the homeless.
Reading my bible at the local bar
Reading my bible at the local coffee shop
But mostly I would say if you had to try and put where all that ended up in a little box.
If i had to choose a Denominational label it would just be
"Holiness"
in the vain of - Keith Green, David Wilkerson, Leonard Ravenhill, William J. Seymour, Charles Finney, John Wesley.
Perhaps more then you expected but your cant really reduce some ones faith to a label and actually still be dealing with an individual.
Denominations -- i like 100's and 1000's but im not gonna turn my back on 20s 10s 5s and 1s.
I don't see Denominations the way you do I guess, per the last sentence in your post above. Someones faith when entered into the Denominational scope becomes linked or woven in with the Denominational doctrine. Therefore, as I see it, the individual aligning with a Denominational doctrine while holding faith in Christ becomes a two fold person. They have faith in Christ and yet the Denomination they've affiliated themselves with has set forth a precept with regard to that broad first label of, believer in Christ. And that individual has made an accord with that Denomination as one of its members.
Holiness doctrine is interesting. Lots of definitions for that path. Lots of paths too. Thank you for sharing about yourself.
I always liked the look of a $50 myself.
I don't see Denominations the way you do I guess, per the last sentence in your post above. Someones faith when entered into the Denominational scope becomes linked or woven in with the Denominational doctrine. Therefore, as I see it, the individual aligning with a Denominational doctrine while holding faith in Christ becomes a two fold person. They have faith in Christ and yet the Denomination they've affiliated themselves with has set forth a precept with regard to that broad first label of, believer in Christ. And that individual has made an accord with that Denomination as one of its members.
Holiness doctrine is interesting. Lots of definitions for that path. Lots of paths too. Thank you for sharing about yourself.
I don't see Denominations the way you do I guess, per the last sentence in your post above. Someones faith when entered into the Denominational scope becomes linked or woven in with the Denominational doctrine. Therefore, as I see it, the individual aligning with a Denominational doctrine while holding faith in Christ becomes a two fold person. They have faith in Christ and yet the Denomination they've affiliated themselves with has set forth a precept with regard to that broad first label of, believer in Christ. And that individual has made an accord with that Denomination as one of its members.
Holiness doctrine is interesting. Lots of definitions for that path. Lots of paths too. Thank you for sharing about yourself.
I do from time to time when I get cash from the bank. I ask for Mr. Grant personally. And there he is.
And there he is.
Just to see the looks on the cashiers faces.
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You said, "
and ye will not come to me .
Notice they will.....not come . John 5.39
How can ye believe, who receive glory one of another, and the glory that is coming from the only God, ye seek not?
Again their 'recieving glory from one of another... was the issue and they are not seeking God . John 5.44"
It would seem to me you did a great job, of showing just a couple of ways in which a depraved spirit, does not seek after God.
Could not do better myself.
and ye will not come to me .
Notice they will.....not come . John 5.39
How can ye believe, who receive glory one of another, and the glory that is coming from the only God, ye seek not?
Again their 'recieving glory from one of another... was the issue and they are not seeking God . John 5.44"
It would seem to me you did a great job, of showing just a couple of ways in which a depraved spirit, does not seek after God.
Could not do better myself.
I always liked the look of a $50 myself.
I don't see Denominations the way you do I guess, per the last sentence in your post above. Someones faith when entered into the Denominational scope becomes linked or woven in with the Denominational doctrine. Therefore, as I see it, the individual aligning with a Denominational doctrine while holding faith in Christ becomes a two fold person. They have faith in Christ and yet the Denomination they've affiliated themselves with has set forth a precept with regard to that broad first label of, believer in Christ. And that individual has made an accord with that Denomination as one of its members.
Holiness doctrine is interesting. Lots of definitions for that path. Lots of paths too. Thank you for sharing about yourself.
I don't see Denominations the way you do I guess, per the last sentence in your post above. Someones faith when entered into the Denominational scope becomes linked or woven in with the Denominational doctrine. Therefore, as I see it, the individual aligning with a Denominational doctrine while holding faith in Christ becomes a two fold person. They have faith in Christ and yet the Denomination they've affiliated themselves with has set forth a precept with regard to that broad first label of, believer in Christ. And that individual has made an accord with that Denomination as one of its members.
Holiness doctrine is interesting. Lots of definitions for that path. Lots of paths too. Thank you for sharing about yourself.
I have never seen denominations as a good thing. Like them even less, as they move more and more towards a world church. Denominations and there conventions, voting on how they can compromise one truth after another, just so they can get along. Makes me ill.
I thank the Lord everyday, that until I was called out, I had no previous Bible teaching. Like a sponge, just soaked up Scripture as I studied. No baggage to let go of and no preconceived notions of the Truth.
Sorry, to much about me. Take care.
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