Sabbath Day

[lenna]

when certain people are referred to as Sabbath worshipers, the truth of the matter is evident, for that is exactly what they do

nothing about Jesus, who actually died and rose again, but always back to the Old Testament and the law

sorry (not sorry) no matter what spin you put on it, you are still preaching another Jesus

 

[mailmandan]

The SDA church has explained it simply.
The law of ordinance contained in shadows was abolished at the cross,
And the law of liberty written on stone still stands.
You know this and agree that the shadows were fulfilled at the cross. But you seperate the one comandment we are told to remember and say it is a shadow fulfilled in Christ when Sda's think it is a moral law, like the other 9 written on stone.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to put into place the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments, which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. It’s not an eternal moral law for Christians.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

 

[lenna]

Jesus is our rest and we need to constantly come to Him to find rest and peace and hope.

But...
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

You don't keep them to be saved, you keep them because you love Jesus.

the weakness of your presentation is Jesus words that you quote John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Have you kept all the commandments? never had a sinful thought? never sinned if you have accepted Christ? If you state that you have kept them all and never sinned in thought or deed, then you lie as John the disciple of Jesus tells us, so then does that mean yo do not love Jesus or you do not love God?

please show me from the Bible were Jesus has become our sabbath rest.
We can find rest in Jesus second by second of every day, but show me how Jesus has taken the place of the 4th commandment?

who is Jesus to you? you do not seem to believe His work is complete since you observe times and seasons and OT celebrations and call it your obedience but you are disobedient since the work of Christ on the cross was complete for the forgiveness of our sin and nothing needs to be added to it.

Jesus is LORD OF THE SABBATH but you would prefer a created day to worship, which you do and tell others to do and you would declare unfinished that which God Himself declares FINISHED and Jesus said IT IS FINISHED before He gave up His life. How do you Sabbath worshipers conveniently FORGET that Jesus Himself broke the so called Sabbath ? HUH?

1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. 2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

4How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Jesus did not condemn or tell His disciples not to eat the corn. He didn't judge them and say they broke God's law. He told the Pharisees they were without understanding BECAUSE of their condemnation and constant judging.

Judge with righteous judgement and since you cannot do that, judge yourself at least and not others

 

[stepbystep]

What concerns me is there is a different Thread where we are being told that the Gospel of Jesus is not for the Church. This Thread seems to be telling us that the Church is still under the Mosaic Laws of the Old Testament.

Somehow, I think things have gotten mixed up. Maybe the person of the Gospel is not for the Church could get together with the person who posted this Thread and work things out?

 

[Blik]

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to put into place the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments, which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. It’s not an eternal moral law for Christians.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

"not binding on the church"? Isn't the church under God?

Jewish CUSTOMS are not binding on the church, so is the Sabbath a custom? Animal sacrifice is not binding on the church because animal sacrifice symbolized the sacrifice of the Lord, and to use animal blood now would be denying Christ. How is agreeing that God established a Sabbath only a custom or is denying Christ?

 

[Lion222]

For all who have read and understand the post, good and peace0filled sabbath to you all. Shabbat Shalom...........

Sabbath peace to you too.

Jesus is our rest and we need to constantly come to Him to find rest and peace and hope.

But...
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

You don't keep them to be saved, you keep them because you love Jesus.

You believe in your heart and are justified
You confess with your mouth (the lordship of Jesus) and are saved.

Law implies the quality of your works and your own provision.
Lordship implies ownership, demonstrated in obedience and where your Master is the one responsible for providing for you.

 

[Bbrdrd]

It's sad that 2000 years after Jesus people are still confused about Him saying "I desire mercy not sacrifice."

Understand that sentiment and your entire relationship with the law changes.

And therein lies the gospel.

 

[Blik]

It's sad that 2000 years after Jesus people are still confused about Him saying "I desire mercy not sacrifice."

Understand that sentiment and your entire relationship with the law changes.

And therein lies the gospel.

The law tells us how we can live with joy and freedom. Sin binds us, it's claws are like clouds of darkness. When we take our sin to Christ with repentance we are not only forgiven but we are given inner help to be Christ like. It is the path to freedom.

 

[Bbrdrd]

The law tells us how we can live with joy and freedom. Sin binds us, it's claws are like clouds of darkness. When we take our sin to Christ with repentance we are not only forgiven but we are given inner help to be Christ like. It is the path to freedom.

Oh? Then why does Paul tell us the law is for the lawless and not the righteous?

 

[Grandpa]

Where in the text that you cited did it say, "Jesus is [our] rest"? I see where Jesus gives to us rest, from sin (transgression of the Law of God, the Ten Commandments), but I see no where in the text you cited what you said it says, neither do I see (read) it anywhere say that Jesus gave us rest from resting in/on the sabbath of the LORD.

Seems you are advocating works salvation, but call it 'rest'.

Isa_57:20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

The Lord doesn't say "come to me all you who are sinning and I will give you rest from sinning".


He says "Come to me, all of you who Labour and are Heavy Laden, and I will give you Rest".

So what are these people labouring at and what makes them heavy laden? It is their WORK AT THE LAW/10 Commandments. That is what they are labouring at and is their heavy burden. This is what the Lord Jesus gives us Rest from.

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


These scriptures in Galatians tell you exactly what the people are laboring at and what their heavy burden is and what happens to it after they come to Christ and receive Rest.


So yes. Saying that the Lord Jesus is our Rest is accurate.


I can further expound with much more scripture if you are not understanding these first few simple scriptures.

 

[mailmandan]

"not binding on the church"? Isn't the church under God?

Jewish CUSTOMS are not binding on the church, so is the Sabbath a custom? Animal sacrifice is not binding on the church because animal sacrifice symbolized the sacrifice of the Lord, and to use animal blood now would be denying Christ. How is agreeing that God established a Sabbath only a custom or is denying Christ?

Jesus Christ is the substance that fulfilled the symbol of the Sabbath. The Sabbath was a shadow of things to come, the reality, however is found in Jesus Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)

 

[Lion222]

The law tells us how we can live with joy and freedom. Sin binds us, it's claws are like clouds of darkness. When we take our sin to Christ with repentance we are not only forgiven but we are given inner help to be Christ like. It is the path to freedom.

I dont want to turn this into a law thing.
But law by design makes sin worse.
Law by design is only fit for evil men.

The law is Good in it self, but the obligation to keep it was only intended for evil men.
Just as today the law is only intended to be applied to law breakers not law keepers.
For everyone who natrually keep the law having the Spirit of the law in them becomes a law giver and a judge by their example.

The delivers will ascend mount Zion (become like God)
To judge the mountain of Esau (the ungodly)
Then the kingdom will be the Lords. 0b 1:12

By our laying hold of the life of God and godliness provided for us in our salvation through the lordship of Jesus Christ, we judge those who do not.

 

[Lion222]

Jesus Christ is the substance that fulfilled the symbol of the Sabbath. The Sabbath was a shadow of things to come, the reality, however is found in Jesus Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)

So was the lords supper a shadow of things to come but we still celebrate our love feast, if you can call what is left of it today in practice by most a love feast.

 

[Lion222]

The law is still in force and it is still a righteous standard from God
Still useful for exposing sin and making sin more sinful and showing people their need for a saviour.
Do we not still teach the ten commandments to kids in Church?

 

[Nehemiah6]

So was the lords supper a shadow of things to come but we still celebrate our love feast, if you can call what is left of it today in practice by most a love feast.

The Lord's Supper is NOT the Passover Feast. Passover was fulfilled on Nisan 14, AD 30 when Christ our Passover was sacrificed for us. The Feast of Unleavened Bread and the Feast of Pentecost were also fulfilled shortly thereafter. So the Lord's Supper is a Memorial Feast -- "Do this in remembrance of me". It used to be preceded by a love feast in apostolic churches.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Do we not still teach the ten commandments to kids in Church?

The Ten Commandments are now within the Law of Christ. So they are within the New Covenant, written on hearts and minds instead of tablets of stone.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:... In that he saith, A New Covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. ... And for this cause He [Christ] is the Mediator of the New Testament [Covenant], that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. (Heb 8:10,13; 9:15)

 

[mailmandan]

So was the lords supper a shadow of things to come..

No and just as Nehemiah6 stated, the Lord's Supper is a Memorial Feast -- "Do this in remembrance of Me". But the Sabbath is a shadow of things to come.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

 

[Blik]

Oh? Then why does Paul tell us the law is for the lawless and not the righteous?

Have you read the 119th Psalm? It is the longest psalm, all praising the law of the Lord. Do you think then that Paul who was of God would tell us that we are not to listen to this?

We are all sinners, and only righteous through Christ.

 

[Blik]

No and just as Nehemiah6 stated, the Lord's Supper is a Memorial Feast -- "Do this in remembrance of Me". But the Sabbath is a shadow of things to come.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

There had been Gnostics with their false teachings in the Colossian church, telling them that God was only in the spiritual and what was physical was to be avoided, so they were to celebrate God only in spirit but not anything physical like feasting. Colossians is teaching that they were not to listen to them but to listen to Christ who lived the Sabbath and Feasts. These false prophets, as Paul wrote, were not to judge them for their celebrations. Col. 2:21-22.

 

[mailmandan]

There had been Gnostics with their false teachings in the Colossian church, telling them that God was only in the spiritual and what was physical was to be avoided, so they were to celebrate God only in spirit but not anything physical like feasting. Colossians is teaching that they were not to listen to them but to listen to Christ who lived the Sabbath and Feasts. These false prophets, as Paul wrote, were not to judge them for their celebrations. Col. 2:21-22.

Regardless of whatever your point is here, it doesn't change what Paul wrote in Colossians 2:16-17. Why don't you explain to me exactly how you "keep the Sabbath" and let's see how it lines up with scripture. (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31)

Also, are you a Jew under the law?