License to sin ?

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1 John 3:4-9

4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
7Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.
9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

Keyword in the above verses is practice(s) which is where grace comes in because Christians do occasionally make bad decisions and through weakness of the flesh commit sin. There is grace for that sort of thing. An unrepentant lifestyle of practicing sin probably doesn't fall under the grace of God if I understand the Bible correctly. I think it's better to put faith in Christ at the end of the day, but also avoid sin as much as possible.
 

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As I said, water is IMPLIED. The Greek is "immersed as dyeing a garment". Lets do the same exercise with that. Romans 6:1-11;

1 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were immersed as dyeing a garment into Jesus Christ were immersed as dyeing a garment into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by immersion as dyeing a garment into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."


The whole exercise of the "immersion" is to bury and kill the old man. The "immersion" into the Holy Spirit is to obtain power for service. Now let us take your view and insert it into Romans 6:1-11;

1 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are immersed into the Holy Spirit, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were immersed into the Holy Spirit into Jesus Christ were immersed into the Holy Spirit into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by immersion into the Holy Spirit into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."


It is immediately clear that far from being a source of power for service, the Holy Spirit becomes the agent of death. Take the absurdity of verse 2, "God forbid. How shall we, that are immersed into the Holy Spirit, live any longer therein?" Are we immersed into the Holy Spirit to die and then NOT CONTINUE IN THE SPIRIT?
Why have you put ' immersed into the Holy Spirit ' at what part of our discussion did I say that ?
 
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Why have you put ' immersed into the Holy Spirit ' at what part of our discussion did I say that ?
I have read your various postings and thank you for the time you took. May I suggest that just as I gave exegesis in my first postings, # 6, # 9 and # 12, you now give a verse by verse exegesis of Romans 6:1-11. Maybe we can find common ground. I will not encumber you with any comment but one. The meaning of the word "Baptizo" is "to be immersed as if dyeing a garment". Thanks and God bless.
 
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not sure about the 'new heart '
reference?
Also not sure about 7and 8 ?
And I belive most of this is literal not figurative.
7) is literal ' freed from sin ' not that we don't or cannot sin anymore , but we are freed from the authority and penalty of sin .
Ezek 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
7 John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
8 john 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
 

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Ezek 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
7 John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
8 john 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Eze. 19And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
20That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Keeping Statutes and ordinaces and being ' caused ' to walk in them will be a future event for Israel .
We are not caused to walk in those ' statutes and ordinances. Thats ISRAEL and the statues and ordinances they will have to keep .
 

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Ezek 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
7 John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
8 john 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14 .27 ? All believers have this peace .