Chosen by God - A study in Election

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EleventhHour said:
They make God morally ambigous.
It is a travesty and they hide behind, statements like "we cannot question God's ways."

R.C.Sproul and the Calvinite teachers make evil sound good and intellectual.
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As if you and your carnal philosophy even begin to know what you are talking about,.🤔🤔🥴🥴🥴🤡🤡🤡
 
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EleventhHour said:
No

Salvation is available to all .............not the selected few.

Either you buy all of Calvinism or not... it works as a system
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Yes salvation is available to all. All whom the Father grants and all whom the Father calls and all whom the Father gives to the Son.

That's what the Bible clearly declares anyways. Should you choose to differ so be it. But if you do you are running crossways to the will of the Father. In my opinion.
 
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cv5 said:
Yes salvation is available to all. All whom the Father grants and all whom the Father calls and all whom the Father gives to the Son.

That's what the Bible clearly declares anyways. Should you choose to differ so be it. But if you do you are running crossways to the will of the Father. In my opinion.
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Who are "all men"? Who are the "specially of those that believe"?

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
 
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EleventhHour said:
They make God morally ambigous.
It is a travesty and they hide behind, statements like "we cannot question God's ways."

R.C.Sproul and the Calvinite teachers make evil sound good and intellectual.
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The apostle Paul strongly implies that "we cannot question Gods ways".
I just quoted a bunch of scriptures for you in the last hour. Did you find any evil in them?
 
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cv5 said:
Yes salvation is available to all. All whom the Father grants and all whom the Father calls and all whom the Father gives to the Son.

That's what the Bible clearly declares anyways. Should you choose to differ so be it. But if you do you are running crossways to the will of the Father. In my opinion.
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John 12 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, WILL DRAW ALL MEN unto me.
 
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John146 said:
Who are "all men"? Who are the "specially of those that believe"?

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
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I have heard it said that God is in a sense the Savior of all men. Should he withhold the rain from the wicked they would perish, but the Bible says that He does not. Nevertheless ETERNAL salvation belongs to the believers.
 
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cv5 said:
The apostle Paul strongly implies that "we cannot question Gods ways".
I just quoted a bunch of scriptures for you in the last hour. Did you find any evil in them?
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Not when it comes to the plan of salvation is it clearly laid out...

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Not when it comes to the plan of salvation is it clearly laid out...

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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How do you believe in Him?

How can you believe in Him before you are saved by God?

You can’t.
 
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cv5 said:
Yet only a remnant are saved. Quite a conundrum eh?
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Not for bible believer s . The clue is in the most central important event in all the bible , the resurection . Just like a Catholic whos hung up on Mathew 16.18 . The Calvinist is hung up in the old testament of John 6.44 and doesn't notice the transition of things changing with the cross . The death burial and !!! RESURRECTION. Then what Happens. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GIVEN .
Has the Gospel occurred at any time before the crucifixion?(1 cor 15 . 1-4 )
 
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EleventhHour said:
Not when it comes to the plan of salvation is it clearly laid out...

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-16.htm
More properly and correctly stated:
"so that everyone believing in Him" .........not whoever and not whomsoever.
When correctly stated, these verses do not conflict with John ch 6 at all.
 
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EleventhHour said:
They make God morally ambigous.
It is a travesty and they hide behind, statements like "we cannot question God's ways."

R.C.Sproul and the Calvinite teachers make evil sound good and intellectual.
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What gets me about that is they can't see the arrogance in that statement, since we're not questioning God's ways we're questioning an interpretation by men. So they are elevating themselves to the position of God in order to avoid having their system questioned. Pure, unadulterated pride.
 
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throughfaith said:
Not for bible believer s . The clue is in the most central important event in all the bible , the resurection . Just like a Catholic whos hung up on Mathew 16.18 . The Calvinist is hung up in the old testament of John 6.44 and doesn't notice the transition of things changing with the cross . The death burial and !!! RESURRECTION. Then what Happens. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GIVEN .
Has the Gospel occurred at any time before the crucifixion?(1 cor 15 . 1-4 )
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Thank you for your input but I don't really see how that resolves the previously stated conundrum.
 
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Bbrdrd said:
What gets me about that is they can't see the arrogance in that statement, since we're not questioning God's ways we're questioning an interpretation by men. So they are elevating themselves to the position of God in order to avoid having their system questioned. Pure, unadulterated pride.
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There is zero pride in election. How can there be? There was zero input from the believer.
 
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cv5 said:
There is zero pride in election. How can there be? There was zero input from the believer.
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Calvinists tend to think themselves knowledgable and get puffed up by that "knowledge." The pride isn't a matter of whether the doctrine itself brings pride, though it certainly seems to just like the Jewish man who was "thankful" God didn't make him a woman or a gentile was full of pride despite having nothing to do with being made a jew.

The pride is evident when the Calvinist is challenged in their system they equate their system to God's word rather than recognizing it as an interpretation by men.
 
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