Matthew 18:19-20 VS 1 John 4:1-6

[Wisdom]

You did understand what I was saying, I hope Spirit of Truth sheds some light on the above quote.
Please read.

The above scripture was Jesus speaking to the disciples. he was letting Disciples know that they did not have to think of anything to say when they are brought before Govenors because of false charges,the H S would speak throuht them. This was said to the disciples so that they would not allow the tormentor of the mind over take them. Jesus was giving them confort in the power of the H S/the Spirit of their Father.

But you are correct about everything else. But the scriptures that is in quotes does not apply to the trespass brother because his actions, he was not in the will of God. The Quote is for someone that is suffering for the will of God, this allow the HS to function in bring up the proper words for the time of questions by those who are bring up false charges against you.
Please research a scripture before you use it to explain your point, because you don't want to be accuse of not rightly dividing the word of God. I would continue to pray that you for the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding and enlightment.

 

[Baruch]

You did understand what I was saying, I hope Spirit of Truth sheds some light on the above quote.
Please read.

The above scripture was Jesus speaking to the disciples. he was letting Disciples know that they did not have to think of anything to say when they are brought before Govenors because of false charges,the H S would speak throuht them. This was said to the disciples so that they would not allow the tormentor of the mind over take them. Jesus was giving them confort in the power of the H S/the Spirit of their Father.

But you are correct about everything else. But the scriptures that is in quotes does not apply to the trespass brother because his actions, he was not in the will of God. The Quote is for someone that is suffering for the will of God, this allow the HS to function in bring up the proper words for the time of questions by those who are bring up false charges against you.
Please research a scripture before you use it to explain your point, because you don't want to be accuse of not rightly dividing the word of God. I would continue to pray that you for the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding and enlightment.

Thanks for the concern, but my point was to address the misuse of Matthew 18:20 by some believers into thinking that the Spirit of God can move among them in the worship place to be felt. I included verse 19 to show that Jesus was the One speaking and He was referring to His future role as the Mediator in regards to prayer. The necessity is so that believers do not blur the line given for discernment in how one is to test the spirits in 1 John 4:1-7.

As far as anything else, the binding and loosing, that was deviating from the point of the OP.

But thanks for your reply.

 

[Wisdom]

I am sorry, but the other part to my response did not take. I am learning how to use this system. Lets continue.

Matthew 10: 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

... that would be the reason for not needing to pray to correct that tresassing brother since God is working all the time when He is leading others to speak for Him, but of course, after excommunication, I can see the need to continue to lift him up in prayer.

Again, there is a need to bring insight to the scriptures presented. The above verse 18 "And ye shall be brought before governors and Kings for my sake. This statement does not mean for the brother that has committed a trespass, it is for those that have done what God had required of them and are not brought before Governors and Kings. Jesus state, it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you(HS Job). I believe we are on the same page.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, continue in the word.

Note: The principle of Loosing and binding is done in the spirit/ through prayer, when addressing church discipline you have to address the proper spirits by binding up the neg. spirits and loosing God's spirit upon the areas of need. Example: You would bind the spirit of confusion and loose the Spirit of Unity
Matthew 18:15-20

 

[Baruch]

I am sorry, but the other part to my response did not take. I am learning how to use this system. Lets continue.

Matthew 10: 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

... that would be the reason for not needing to pray to correct that tresassing brother since God is working all the time when He is leading others to speak for Him, but of course, after excommunication, I can see the need to continue to lift him up in prayer.

Again, there is a need to bring insight to the scriptures presented. The above verse 18 "And ye shall be brought before governors and Kings for my sake. This statement does not mean for the brother that has committed a trespass, it is for those that have done what God had required of them and are not brought before Governors and Kings. Jesus state, it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you(HS Job). I believe we are on the same page.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, continue in the word.

Note: The principle of Loosing and binding is done in the spirit/ through prayer, when addressing church discipline you have to address the proper spirits by binding up the neg. spirits and loosing God's spirit upon the areas of need. Example: You would bind the spirit of confusion and loose the Spirit of Unity
Matthew 18:15-20

I am not sure how much we are to be involved in the mechanics of the working of the Spirit that it doesn't go beyond faith in God doing His work to actually thinking we are doing it.

To clarify, Jesus was asked why His disciples could not cast out the demons. He responded with, "Oh ye of little faith..." and He casted out the demons. When asked why they could not: He replied: This kind cannot go out except through prayer and fasting, and so I see prayer as submitting the request to God, and fasting as denying oneself. The question posed to Jesus was why His disciples could not cast them out and thus Jesus redirected their focus to God since their faith was small as in misapplied by looking to the disciples to do it.

I am sure there is some binding and loosing to be done, but as they are the keys, and not the action of doing them, they are merely requests to God as we deny ourselves of any part of the actual loosing and binding. The keys.. is the means... prayer and fasting.. trusting God to do His work.

John 6:28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

So the part about us binding and loosing... I believe is more of an indirect meaning in that the keys to binding and loosing is by making the request to God and denying any part wherein we might glory in ourselves as actually doing it, but yet we are guarantee that it will happen by what? Asking.

You probably knew that and meant that, but it seemed that statement needed a shift of the focus as to Who was really binding and loosing just in case anybody else reading it was thinking otherwise.