Chosen by God - A study in Election

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Status
Not open for further replies.

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,131
3,689
113
If you have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit,then you should know the answer to your own question.

Sorry,I can’t help you on that one,only God can reveal that to you.
No, not me...in general, there are saved people with no Bible, no discipleship, no church, etc...they will never grow in their faith. They will produce little to no good works in their life.
 
May 19, 2020
3,050
1,275
113
No, not me...in general, there are saved people with no Bible, no discipleship, no church, etc...they will never grow in their faith. They will produce little to no good works in their life.

John,you are looking at it from your own perspective.

Do you know how God works in his children?

They have the indwelling Holy Spirit in them.....think about it.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
Not in Scripture...

He wrote down their names before the foundation of the world. Do you think he has no faith as a will, to work by in order to bring it to pass? Or both will and do His good pleasure?
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
I sometimes wonder when I see your posts...if you put dc first and are a follower of him.?

You surely know that God must be number 1....we must completely rely on Him....so no other God’s before the Lord.?
I just find it hilarious how you think you know more than so many people here with whom you do not agree.

I would not KNOW what I KNOW if God was not FIRST in my life... but I do support people like @dcontroversal and @throughfaith and @Nehemiah6 who stand on the truth with regards to Calvinsism and are not afraid to call out heresy like your dogma .... "I was chosen apart from hearing and belief"

I typically do not respond to your posts since you do not know proper hermeneutics of understanding scripture and you deny the need for context.
 
May 19, 2020
3,050
1,275
113
I just find it hilarious how you think you know more than so many people here with whom you do not agree.

I would not KNOW what I KNOW if God was not FIRST in my life... but I do support people like @dcontroversal and @throughfaith and @Nehemiah6 who stand on the truth with regards to Calvinsism and are not afraid to call out heresy like your dogma .... "I was chosen apart from hearing and belief"

I typically do not respond to your posts since you do not know proper hermeneutics of understanding scripture and you deny the need for context.

That is once again an assumption of me....I will reserve what I believe your interpretation of scripture is.



You are free to think what ever you like of me,.....I follow the Holy Spirit not members as you seem to do.
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
John,you are looking at it from your own perspective.

Do you know how God works in his children?

They have the indwelling Holy Spirit in them.....think about it.
Discipleship and a grounding in the truth and a correct understanding and view of God is essential for growth and maturity.

You cannot come into agreement with God unless you are grounded in truth.
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
That is once again an assumption of me....I will reserve what I believe your interpretation of scripture is.



You are free to think what ever you like of me,.....I follow the Holy Spirit not members as you seem to do.
Is that why all the Calvinists get the ribbons and likes... hilarious :D
 
May 19, 2020
3,050
1,275
113
Discipleship and a grounding in the truth and a correct understanding and view of God is essential for growth and maturity.

You cannot come into agreement with God unless you are grounded in truth.

Do you mean your truth?

Thank God I’m grounded in His truth...God works everything out according to his will.
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
If you think that Lord God Almighty has disclosed to you the full scope and magnitude of His will, altogether with the secrets and hidden things, you had better reconsider.

If God to do that you would probably go insane and then your head would explode.

But beyond that, this is not scriptural. God has His confidential matters which only he attends to and as for you and me, we are provided information on a need to know basis.
And why would God hide the plan of salvation, make it a confidential matter, when He took on the sins of the world out of pure love for fallen humanity.

And how can we carry on the Great Commission if all has not been revealed so we can spread the word?

There are no secrets in the process of salvation... and irresistible grace is not biblical hence "Chosen" as a select group is not biblical.

Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!"

John 5:39-40: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life."

Acts 7:51: "Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always RESIST the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

Proverbs 1:24-26: "Because I have called, and YE REFUSED; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh."

Proverbs 29:1: "He, that being often reproved HARDENETH HIS NECK, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."
 

cv5

Well-known member
Nov 20, 2018
23,045
8,376
113
And why would God hide the plan of salvation, make it a confidential matter, when He took on the sins of the world out of pure love for fallen humanity.

And how can we carry on the Great Commission if all has not been revealed so we can spread the word?

There are no secrets in the process of salvation... and irresistible grace is not biblical hence "Chosen" as a select group is not biblical.

Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!"

John 5:39-40: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life."

Acts 7:51: "Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always RESIST the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

Proverbs 1:24-26: "Because I have called, and YE REFUSED; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh."

Proverbs 29:1: "He, that being often reproved HARDENETH HIS NECK, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."
Lol. I said ALL of God's will. You know....infinity.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,777
113
...I follow the Holy Spirit not members as you seem to do...
Those who follow the Holy Spirit (1) adhere strictly to the Word of God, not the doctrines of men, and (2) allow the Holy Spirit to compare Scripture with Scripture to establish Gospel Truth. So what is Gospel Truth as plainly revealed in Scripture?

1. Adam's disobedience brought the curse of sin and death upon all mankind.

2. Therefore all human beings are sinners and need a Savior.

3. Christ took upon Himself the sins of the whole world as the Lamb of God.

4. God desires that all men should be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5. Therefore God now commands all men everywhere to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

6. Christ commanded that this Gospel be preached to all nations and to every creature. Which means that absolutely no one is excluded from the grace of God and the finished work of Christ.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
You're equating disciples with believers. There are believers who are not disciples. They may be immature in their faith, babes in Christ. There are believers who have no discipleship whatsoever, no church, no bible, nothing.
Not to mention that her original AIM and disjointed out of context statement was aimed at FALSE teachers and them being known by their fruit, which she APPLIED to believers.....

NO contextual honesty from the one you addressed.....actually no honesty on any level to be frank!
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
How does one grow?...through the word of God. This is not available to everyone. Many may not ever grow in their faith. They have no idea what it looks like.
Amen......like the one who is saved yet so as by fire with all of their works of wood, hay and stubble being roasted.........

What can one expect from a person that claims a gospel-less salvation that was willed by God and they had no choice in the matter.....The main peddler of Calvin fixed her right up!!
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
I just find it hilarious how you think you know more than so many people here with whom you do not agree.

I would not KNOW what I KNOW if God was not FIRST in my life... but I do support people like @dcontroversal and @throughfaith and @Nehemiah6 who stand on the truth with regards to Calvinsism and are not afraid to call out heresy like your dogma .... "I was chosen apart from hearing and belief"

I typically do not respond to your posts since you do not know proper hermeneutics of understanding scripture and you deny the need for context.
The word Context could be in Neon glowing 30 foot letters and the finger of God pointing at them and many would still ignore it like she does.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
True, but there are Christians who are not disciples. Are you bearing much fruit? Are you leading many to Jesus Christ?
Not with her gospel-less salvation that God wills with no choice.....

No power in that charade!
 
May 19, 2020
3,050
1,275
113
Those who follow the Holy Spirit (1) adhere strictly to the Word of God, not the doctrines of men, and (2) allow the Holy Spirit to compare Scripture with Scripture to establish Gospel Truth. So what is Gospel Truth as plainly revealed in Scripture?

1. Adam's disobedience brought the curse of sin and death upon all mankind.

2. Therefore all human beings are sinners and need a Savior.

3. Christ took upon Himself the sins of the whole world as the Lamb of God.

4. God desires that all men should be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5. Therefore God now commands all men everywhere to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

6. Christ commanded that this Gospel be preached to all nations and to every creature. Which means that absolutely no one is excluded from the grace of God and the finished work of Christ.


Your interpretation of scripture is skewed,no offence...Like a few others on here,

I had no choice in my salvation...I will never deny that.....
 
May 19, 2020
3,050
1,275
113
Amen......like the one who is saved yet so as by fire with all of their works of wood, hay and stubble being roasted.........

What can one expect from a person that claims a gospel-less salvation that was willed by God and they had no choice in the matter.....The main peddler of Calvin fixed her right up!!

🤐 😂
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,131
3,689
113
He wrote down their names before the foundation of the world. Do you think he has no faith as a will, to work by in order to bring it to pass? Or both will and do His good pleasure?
That’s not in Scripture.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.