I cannot understand the need for the crucifixion-and i think it’s holding my Christian life back

[stepbystep]

I believe the error is (and I am only going by what you have written here) you have never truly given your life to God. You have never truly accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior of your life. You continue to rely on your own understanding of Scripture, and Gods salvation plan. You will never be able to fully understand Scripture until you surrender your whole body, mind and spirit to God, ask Christ into your life as Lord and Savior, receive the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, WHO will impart "understanding of all things" to you.

The only thing that stops you from being a Christian is your own disbelief. Just as disbelief stops all who are not Christians from being so. There are only Christians and non Christians. True Christian is not a category in the equation. Either you are, or you are not.

I have to wonder, I pray you are, if you are "truly" seeking to become a Christian? All one has to do is "BELIEVE." Surrender their lives to God, and accept Jesus into their lives as Lord and Savior.

You may need to find a Church, a Pastor, or one or more Christians to join with you in prayer, as you seek to become a believer.

God bless you in your effort if it is sincere, and I will pray you "truly" seek Him. For those that "truly" seek Him, WILL find Him.

Deuteronomy 4:29
Proverbs 8:17
Jeremiah 29:12-14
Matthew 7:7,8
Lamentations 3:25
Isaiah 55:6,7
Psalms 119:10
Matthew 6:33
Hebrews 11:6
James 4:8
Psalms 119:2

If you read these, and "truly" believe, you will find God, for He will find you.

 

[MichaelLone]

I believe the error is (and I am only going by what you have written here) you have never truly given your life to God. You have never truly accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior of your life. You continue to rely on your own understanding of Scripture, and Gods salvation plan. You will never be able to fully understand Scripture until you surrender your whole body, mind and spirit to God, ask Christ into your life as Lord and Savior, receive the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, WHO will impart "understanding of all things" to you.

The only thing that stops you from being a Christian is your own disbelief. Just as disbelief stops all who are not Christians from being so. There are only Christians and non Christians. True Christian is not a category in the equation. Either you are, or you are not.

I have to wonder, I pray you are, if you are "truly" seeking to become a Christian? All one has to do is "BELIEVE." Surrender their lives to God, and accept Jesus into their lives as Lord and Savior.

You may need to find a Church, a Pastor, or one or more Christians to join with you in prayer, as you seek to become a believer.

God bless you in your effort if it is sincere, and I will pray you "truly" seek Him. For those that "truly" seek Him, WILL find Him.

Deuteronomy 4:29
Proverbs 8:17
Jeremiah 29:12-14
Matthew 7:7,8
Lamentations 3:25
Isaiah 55:6,7
Psalms 119:10
Matthew 6:33
Hebrews 11:6
James 4:8
Psalms 119:2

If you read these, and "truly" believe, you will find God, for He will find you.

 

[MichaelLone]

All the sins you have committed now and till you die deserve the exact punishment that Christ received. You deserve to be crucified and receive all the torment that came with it.

A judge would be considered corrupt if he let a guilty person go free without punishment. So God will judge your sin in life and He cannot just dismiss it, because we are all guilty. and He is not corrupt. So you are sentenced to death as painful as the cross was for Christ, but in His mercy He took the punishment for you.

What is it you do not like about other believers? Unless you ran into a church with unsaved pretenders that left you with a bad taste you got to realize that these are Christians. Do you prefer being around those outside of the church? If you do not like being around us now then what will it be like after you die and have to live with us for eternity?

You my dear are just the sort of fanatic that make new Believers think twice about becoming a Christian ✝️

 

[MichaelLone]

I am the same... I also don't understand why Jesus had to be sent to die on a cross for our sins and i feel it is holding me back...

I try and imagine people who have sinned against me and then sending my son to court to be sentenced to death in order to pay for their sins. That makes no sense to me...

After the original sin of Adam and Eve, God cursed the rest of humanity with sin... But God hates us being sinners even though it was Him that gave us this sinful nature. That makes no sense to me...

It is said that God sacrificed His only son to die for our sins. But, it wasn't really a big sacrifice given that Jesus rose up from the dead and back up into heaven. That makes no sense to me...

According to the Trinity Jesus is God... So God sent himself to die on a cross for our sins. That makes no sense to me...

I don't understand it...

Neither do I 🤷‍♂️ It makes me sad 😔 and scared 😦 that I can’t comprehend the most important part of my own faith

 

[MichaelLone]

Hi MichelLone,

I'm in the UK too & I'm definitely from a working class background.
I haven't read the other responses yet. This website gets a lot of traffic and there can be fifty posts before you've even seen the thread. Subjects tend to get lost easily as well.
It's also very very American. It can be quite insular sometimes in that respect though I don't think most are aware of it.
You probably have a few good answers already.

You've said you read the Bible, that's great. Have you read it chronologically from the beginning to the end? It's a great journey.
The reason I ask is that many Christians stay predominantly in New Testament verses & treat the Old Testament as a secondary
back-story. I'm not sure all churches encourage deep, thorough study.

If you start from the beginning you really get to see what is on God's heart & by the time you get to the fulfilment of many of his plans in the crucifixion is makes sense. He was promising Jesus right from the beginning in Genesis Chapter 3. God isn't a belligerent dictator I promise.

I would also be curious to know which Bible translation/s you are reading.

Thanks Lucy ✌️🙂You are right about the 🇺🇸 element of this site. I thought it was a 🇬🇧✝️Forum? I have read all the gospels and all Paul’s letters and am now on a mission to complete the bible cover to cover-I’m currently at Joshua 12. I’m sorry if it was disrespectful but all the churches i have attended here are very snobby. I’ve been advised to try the Salvation Army church,

 

[garee]

Interesting. It’s amazing how i even see the cross as a symbol of love and peace ✌️ yet do not understand-and probably never will-How the S&M crucifixion of Jesus was in anyway loving or necessary. Also you mention life for life as a reason-I am passionately apposed to the death 💀 penalty no matter what the crime. Thank you for trying to help i shall carry on praying and hope that this does not keep me away from Jesus

How hell is defined is key to understanding. If a person makes the claim that some suffer after taking their last breath .The doctrine is destroyed

The letter of the law "death" as the sufferings of hell this life applies to all flesh .In dying death will occur. And not. . "you shall surely not die" But will still be breathing even cover with dust or clay

I used to be more supportive of the death penalty . But Genesis 4 sets the rule of faith . God in effect said to protect the sufferings of Cain it will go on until one takes the last breath . Those who would interfere would also be subject to sufferings without the rest of the gospel. Unlike Abel the first martyr who did rest yoked with Christ in who Christ had grace upon .

Cain tried to bargain for the death penalty.( My punishment is greater than I can bear) Christ who did bear that burden with Abel said no. . according to the mark of his word it will not return void he will surfer with no rest. .

Geneisis 4:12-15 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

If Christ has begun the good work of his rest (sabaath) in you he will finish it till the end. (Philipian1:6)

 

[garee]

Neither do I 🤷‍♂️ It makes me sad 😔 and scared 😦 that I can’t comprehend the most important part of my own faith

The faith of Christ the faith of God that works in us . . . is not of us.. . lest any man boast in self pride. Be strengthened by His.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Interesting. It’s amazing how i even see the cross as a symbol of love and peace ✌️ yet do not understand-and probably never will-How the S&M crucifixion of Jesus was in anyway loving or necessary. Also you mention life for life as a reason-I am passionately apposed to the death 💀 penalty no matter what the crime. Thank you for trying to help i shall carry on praying and hope that this does not keep me away from Jesus

It's like gravity, it happened because it had to.
It is indeed only up to you to accept it or despise it.
Just don't be like the world, that want everybody to "just go to heaven" and nobody to be punished, that is except Hitler, and sometimes they remember to exempt rapists and child molesters.
As for me, I don't believe in human sense of judgment any more it's nothing but hypocrisy.

 

[MichaelLone]

It's like gravity, it happened because it had to.
It is indeed only up to you to accept it or despise it.
Just don't be like the world, that want everybody to "just go to heaven" and nobody to be punished, that is except Hitler, and sometimes they remember to exempt rapists and child molesters.
As for me, I don't believe in human sense of judgment any more it's nothing but hypocrisy.

Call me a silly old fool but i do want most people to go to heaven. As a fellow Christian ✝️ said to me when i asked him about the evil 😈 in the word “there is more of gods love 💕 than there is evil in the world” As for the crucifixion-i accept it but am baffled by it 🩸

 

[SoulWeaver]

Call me a silly old fool but i do want most people to go to heaven. As a fellow Christian ✝️ said to me when i asked him about the evil 😈 in the word “there is more of gods love 💕 than there is evil in the world” As for the crucifixion-i accept it but am baffled by it 🩸

Me too. There is a sliver of hope I have about it. But we will see what happens. Maybe God surprises us. If He told us that piece of news now, it would be a rope to hang ourselves. So if it happens... it will be a surprise.
What I was pointing out was the word "except" showing the hypocrisy. Most people still want some people (of their choosing) to go to hell whether they admit it or not, yet they complain about hell existing.

 

[MichaelLone]

I shall read and re read the verses you have given me 👍 I have tried repentance,asking the lord to come into my 💖...what more?

 

[posthuman]

Why the need for Jesus’ blood 🩸 why the need for such a barbaric death ordered by his own father-the merciful lord got. I just don’t get it. Jesus didn’t need to be murdered to get me to follow him. Please help me I’m confused 🤷‍♂️

Because that should have been you put to death. Because murdering God is what the world wants to do in its heart, even what we ourselves also desired before He redeemed us.

You shouldn't let whatever it is you call 'snobbery' keep you from going to church and finding out what these things are about. Isn't that a bit of 'snobbery' on your part? Be the better person, not the same person in a slightly different way. How important is your faith to you? More important than feeling slighted by someone?

 

[MichaelLone]

Because that should have been you put to death. Because murdering God is what the world wants to do in its heart, even what we ourselves also desired before He redeemed us.

You shouldn't let whatever it is you call 'snobbery' keep you from going to church and finding out what these things are about. Isn't that a bit of 'snobbery' on your part? Be the better person, not the same person in a slightly different way. How important is your faith to you? More important than feeling slighted by someone?

I agree. I think 🤔 this world 🌎 does want to murder god-or pretend he’s not there and hope for the best on judgement day 👼

 

[Magenta]

How Deep The Father's Love For Us

This song came to mind for me in relation to the question you ask

 

[throughfaith]

Interesting. It’s amazing how i even see the cross as a symbol of love and peace ✌️ yet do not understand-and probably never will-How the S&M crucifixion of Jesus was in anyway loving or necessary. Also you mention life for life as a reason-I am passionately apposed to the death 💀 penalty no matter what the crime. Thank you for trying to help i shall carry on praying and hope that this does not keep me away from Jesus

its important to note the resurrection. It was not a tragedy He rose again ,and is alive today .I can't think of any other person to have placed my trust in than Jesus.

 

[Magenta]

Here is another song for you, Michael

I love modern praise and worship!

 

[throughfaith]

Thanks Lucy ✌️🙂You are right about the 🇺🇸 element of this site. I thought it was a 🇬🇧✝️Forum? I have read all the gospels and all Paul’s letters and am now on a mission to complete the bible cover to cover-I’m currently at Joshua 12. I’m sorry if it was disrespectful but all the churches i have attended here are very snobby. I’ve been advised to try the Salvation Army church,

I'm in the 🇬🇧

 

[throughfaith]

Here is another song for you, Michael

I love modern praise and worship!

 

[garee]

I shall read and re read the verses you have given me 👍 I have tried repentance,asking the lord to come into my 💖...what more?

Beleive his understanding that works in you a source of his faithfulness and not that of our own . . .a source of doubt. . . .it can take away the wondering. We repent when Christ works in us giving us ears to hear his will and empower us to believe and do his good pleasure

I think it is the reason why Jesus told Nicodemus to wonder or marvel not in regard to the greatest miracle "born again" resist the devil with the faith given. . . he will flee.

 

[Magenta]

That is such a beautiful song; thanks for sharing!