Why I believe the Great Tribulation started in 70 A.D.

[Truth7t7]

Constantius' successor Julian (later called "The Apostate") was the only emperor after the conversion of Constantine to reject Christianity, attempting to fragment the Church and erode its influence by encouraging a revival of religious diversity, calling himself a "Hellene" and supporting forms of Hellenistic religion. He championed the traditional religious cultus of Rome as well as Judaism, and furthermore declared toleration for all the various unorthodox Christian sects and schismatic movements.

The Edict of Thessalonica was issued under the influence of Ascholius, and thus of Pope Damasus I, who had appointed him. It re-affirmed a single expression of the Apostolic Faith as legitimate in the Roman Empire, "catholic" (that is, universal)[5][6] and "orthodox" (that is, correct in teaching).[7]

After the edict, Theodosius spent a great deal of energy trying to suppress all non-Nicene forms of Christianity, especially Arianism, and in establishing Nicene orthodoxy throughout his realm.[8]

The edict was followed in 381 by the First Council of Constantinople, which affirmed the Nicene Symbolum and gave final form to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.[9]

You have copied and pasted a large volume of material with links, it's a posting standard and courtesy to supply the source of this information.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

You used a Catholic claim (Peter) a Jew was a founder of Catholicism.

You translated this false claim into a foundation for your Theology in who the future Antichrist will be.

Your post above has no rebuttal to your claims made.

The man of lawlessness claims to be God. He makes false claims. astounding false claims. It was Constantine that built the old St. Peters Basilica. He went to lengths to make sure the basilica was built over peters supposed tomb. It was Constantine who was claiming peter to be the foundation of the Catholic Church.

You have copied and pasted a large volume of material with links, it's a posting standard and courtesy to supply the source of this information.

the source is obvious, wiki.

 

[Truth7t7]

I am not predicting a future antichrist like you are. I am saying the antichrist is here and now. He has been been here for a long time already. The evidence is overwhelming. You reject the current fulfillment of scripture for future speculations.

Where is you evidence? You have none.

A Few Questions To Better Understand Your Beliefs?

1.) Do you believe in a future coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens?

2.) Do you believe in a future bodily resurrection of the believer?

3.) Do you believe in a future eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

A Few Questions To Better Understand Your Beliefs?

1.) Do you believe in a future coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens?

Yes I believe in a second coming of Jesus Christ. But how this looks I don't know. You don't either. No one will know how this looks until it happens.

2.) Do you believe in a future bodily resurrection of the believer?

I believe that the dead will be ressurected some to everlasting life and some to everlasting punishent. But exactly how this unfolds I don't know. You don't either. Many speculate but they dont know.

3.) Do you believe in a future eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem?

of course. But these are spiritual truths.

The true temple of God is a spiritual temple. Not a stone temple. The temple that satan uses to decieve the world as promised in 2 Thessalonians 2 is a literal stone temple and it already exists. St. Peters Basilica.

 

[Truth7t7]

The man of lawlessness claims to be God. He makes false claims. astounding false claims. It was Constantine that built the old St. Peters Basilica. He went to lengths to make sure the basilica was built over peters supposed tomb. It was Constantine who was claiming peter to be the foundation of the Catholic Church.


the source is obvious, wiki.

Ok, Now You Claim Constatine, Who Cares

You use Constatine to build your false foundation that the Jewish.lineafe was passed off to Rome.

Glad to see you acknowledged Constatine was the founder of the State/Church

P.S. Constatine wasn't converted, a ploy to keep his empire together, he was a full blown pagan

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes I believe in a second coming of Jesus Christ. But how this looks I don't know. You don't either. No one will know how this looks until it happens.


I believe that the dead will be ressurected some to everlasting life and some to everlasting punishent. But exactly how this unfolds I don't know. You don't either. Many speculate but they dont know.

of course. But these are spiritual truths.

The true temple of God is a spiritual temple. Not a stone temple. The temple that satan uses to decieve the world as promised in 2 Thessalonians 2 is a literal stone temple and it already exists. St. Peters Basilica.

Thanks for your response

 

[garee]

Yes I believe in a second coming of Jesus Christ. But how this looks I don't know. You don't either. No one will know how this looks until it happens.

Christ who works in a kingdom of priests will come or leave on the last day like a thief in the night. We walk by faith the unseen eternal . Death as to the letter of the law will be cast into the judgment fire of God . The second death. . The death of death itself. Death will not rise up an condemn through dying, corruption, another whole creation.

 

[GaryA]

Worth repeating:

IF you pay very close attention to how the Bible "defines" the start of the GT and the end of the GT - and - you look closely at the "details" surrounding those "definitions" - and - you are able to "let go" of the things you have "learned" (that are full of assumptions) about the End Times Scenario -- you WILL discover that the futurist and preterist views are both in error - because neither fully matches all of the "details" completely.

I am trying my best to help folks on here understand how that - the only way all of the "details" actually match in scripture is if the GT is a long period of time that started circa 70 A.D. and ends in the future.

This is why people assume that it must all be future or past - because, they refuse to examine all of the "details" exactly as scripture records them. Instead, they prefer to clutch tightly onto what they were taught, making assumptions about things that scripture does not actually say.

 

[GaryA]

The first thing I need to point you to is that these verses in the three accounts of the Olivet Discourse are talking about the same thing:

Matthew 24:15-22
Mark 13:14-20
Luke 21:20-24a

That is to say - they are 3 accounts of the same discourse from 3 different men. Luke did not witness Jesus say anything different than what the other two heard. Luke is talking about the very-same-exact-thing that Matthew and Mark are.

If you do not understand this and believe it -- then, you need to stare at it - and study it - until you do.

It is vitally important that you understand this.

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[GaryA]

The following verses "go together":

Matthew 24:15-20
Mark 13:14-18
Luke 21:20-23a

They are all talking about the same 'events' in the same time frame.

The following verses "go together":

Matthew 24:21-22
Mark 13:19-20
Luke 21:23b-24

They are all talking about the same 'events' in the same time frame.

If you do not understand this and believe it -- then, you need to stare at it - and study it - until you do.

 

[GaryA]

The following verses "go together":

Matthew 24:23-26
Mark 13:21-23

They take place during the Great Tribulation.

 

[GaryA]

The following verses "go together":

Matthew 24:29
Mark 13:24-25
Luke 21:25-26

These things have not happened yet.

 

[GaryA]

The following verses "go together":

Matthew 24:15-20
Mark 13:14-18
Luke 21:20-23a

They are all talking about the same 'events' in the same time frame.

The following verses "go together":

Matthew 24:21-22
Mark 13:19-20
Luke 21:23b-24

They are all talking about the same 'events' in the same time frame.

If you do not understand this and believe it -- then, you need to stare at it - and study it - until you do.

These things can be shown to be in the past - up to the present - they have not ended yet.

 

[GaryA]

Hence - the 'great tribulation', as indicated in Matthew 24:21, has begun but has not yet ended.

 

[Ruby123]

So if the trib started in 70AD. When does it end??

 

[GaryA]

So if the trib started in 70AD. When does it end??

At some point in the future.

Keep in mind that - "the worst is yet to come"...

There are "more things to come" before it-is-all-said-and-done.

 

[GaryA]

So if the trib started in 70AD. When does it end??

It ends when the Bible says it ends - "immediately before" the 'events' of:

Matthew 24:29
Mark 13:24-25
Luke 21:25-26

 

[Ruby123]

Yeah I don't think it has started yet. But soon will. The world is in chaos and can't go on much longer. I know I have had four dreams concerning it starting last year before the virus started. It all started when I went to church and the pastor started talking about it. I had never even heard of the end times or rapture so I came home and simply asked God whether this was all real and to give me dreams. Well he has given me four up to date because I keep asking for more lol. I find it very interesting.

 

[GaryA]

And, this is what you need to understand about how the Bible defines 'great tribulation' (as indicated in Matthew 24:21) - as having a beginning and an ending.

You cannot say "this is horrid, so it must be included in the Great Tribulation"; it does not work that way.

There are 'horrid' things that happen after the Great Tribulation ends.

You must define the span of time we call [the] Great Tribulation by what the Bible aligns with its beginning and ending.

 

[GaryA]

The 'events' circa 70 A.D. align with the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

The 'events' that align with the ending of the Great Tribulation have not occurred yet.