Chosen by God - A study in Election
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You choose to ignore the verses of Scripture, wherein the language of Predestination and Election are clearly taught. Anyone who is truly seeking to understand God's Word cannot ignore any Scripture but must harmonize all of God's Word in order to come to the Truth.
You that argue that "all" must mean "all", in every case, are either not interested in harmonizing anything or are choosing to be willfully ignorant. Any good student of Scripture, knows that "all" must be either accepted as "all", if the context supports it or must be limited, if the context supports that.
How can the word "all" always mean "all" in the light of those verses which clearly teach God having chosen? God having Predestinated some? God using Election to obtain what those who were seeking, did not find?
I choose to not ignore these facts, if you do, then that's between you and God but this is no reason to belittle others. As a Christian, life has taught me, that when people resort to belittling another, it is because the facts no longer support their position.
You that argue that "all" must mean "all", in every case, are either not interested in harmonizing anything or are choosing to be willfully ignorant. Any good student of Scripture, knows that "all" must be either accepted as "all", if the context supports it or must be limited, if the context supports that.
How can the word "all" always mean "all" in the light of those verses which clearly teach God having chosen? God having Predestinated some? God using Election to obtain what those who were seeking, did not find?
I choose to not ignore these facts, if you do, then that's between you and God but this is no reason to belittle others. As a Christian, life has taught me, that when people resort to belittling another, it is because the facts no longer support their position.
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Yes, I to have been drawn down by the foolishness of others. True believers, can never raise a dead person to higher heights, they are usually pulled down by there craftiness. If you get into a conversation with those in the world and love the world, it is always the Christian who falls into their way of talking after to much exposure. The person of the world, never becomes more godly in their speech. This is why we are instructed to separate ourselves from those who think like the world.
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Me to , not long before you 
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All the glory to God Amen...
I can see how much you are growing in the word @jackrosie ...
...xox...
...All the glory to God Amen...
I can see how much you are growing in the word @jackrosie ...
...xox...
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Here is your dogma in a nutshell
Grace is extended to only some, those that God has pre-selected.
In your dogma if you present it accurately it is....
Jane Smith is deliberately foreordained to commit her sins
Is hated by God
Is predestined to hell because God withholds His Grace, salvation is intentionally ``out of reach`` for her.
Is deliberately excluded from the atoning sacrifice of Jesus
Jane Smith will be judged by a god and sent to hell because he favored someone else over her
This is a god who essentially goes against his own commandments where believers are called to love those he hates?
Tell me do not see a problem here?
Grace is extended to only some, those that God has pre-selected.
In your dogma if you present it accurately it is....
Jane Smith is deliberately foreordained to commit her sins
Is hated by God
Is predestined to hell because God withholds His Grace, salvation is intentionally ``out of reach`` for her.
Is deliberately excluded from the atoning sacrifice of Jesus
Jane Smith will be judged by a god and sent to hell because he favored someone else over her
This is a god who essentially goes against his own commandments where believers are called to love those he hates?
Tell me do not see a problem here?
please could you explain this in plain English? thanks.
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A point you're reading into the text that need not be there. The reason reformed think the "plain text" supports their position is because they never remove the modern biased lenses. They never see past their indoctrination to look for particular election and see the text as the ancients would have seen it. They never take the time to read any theology outside of the Augustine-Luther-Calvin heritage or connect with other views of Scripture. There's a reason that particular election didn't become an issue until after Calvin, and why free will was never an issue until Augustine. These things are men's rationalizing God's purposes and twisting God into the image of themselves rather than the true plan of God.
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We're not criticizing God the Father, we're criticizing the monster you try to twist Him into. The idea that God's sovereignty is His principle attribute and that power is sufficient to represent His glory is counter to His revealed nature. God's glory is in His loving care for all of His creation, in His perfect justice. If a system forwards a god that is void of those qualities it is not God but an idol. Calvin's god has no bearing on the true God and is nothing more than man's fantasy to have power over another man, which is exactly why the Geneva council was so horrendous putting men to death rather than being a true representation of Christ on Earth.
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Really? How could anyone arrive at that conclusion? Romans 1 is all about those who rejected the truth about God and were spiritually blinded. Thus God gave them over to a reprobate mind. Their foolish hearts were darkened.
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (v 21)
If you were unable to discern this, then you should really go back to square one.
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (v 21)
If you were unable to discern this, then you should really go back to square one.
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