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Hello sister, I didn't see this additional reply before I posted my last reply (post #128). That said, I agree, sanctification is a synergistic endeavor that is carried out by God and by us (as we work alongside of Him, and as we are able to). Synergistic sanctification is clearly taught in the Bible .. e.g. Philippians 1:6, 2:12-13, and it is clearly taught by both Protestant systematic theologies because it is.
I'd like to ask you a question about something you said (to make sure that I'm understanding what you are saying), in what way(s) do you believe that our new nature/new self is "dependent" upon what we do
(and was our old nature/old self dependent on what we did as unbelievers as well .. or am I completely missing the point you are trying to make about all of this? ).
Thanks for your help!!
~Deut
I'd like to ask you a question about something you said (to make sure that I'm understanding what you are saying), in what way(s) do you believe that our new nature/new self is "dependent" upon what we do
(and was our old nature/old self dependent on what we did as unbelievers as well .. or am I completely missing the point you are trying to make about all of this? ).Thanks for your help!!
~Deut
Romans 5:1 - Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (Read More...)
Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (Read More...)
Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
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Sorry that I wasn't more clear using scripture. Perhaps someone else who drafted an article that fully explains may help you. I hope so because it is an important part of our walk I think. Thanks for the work John.
Are works a part of our salvation? Let’s talk about Ephesians 2:8-9
Misunderstanding grace as it relates to salvation has compromised the theology of millions.
Thanks for the work John. Are works a part of our salvation? Let’s talk about Ephesians 2:8-9
Misunderstanding grace as it relates to salvation has compromised the theology of millions.
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Your equations do not impress me much bro
its simple logic
the result of my sin is death
hence as long as I am in sin, I will be dead (the penalty of sin is death)
the judicial term used to declare a person is made righteous or set free from the penalty of sin is justification
hence in no way can we be made alive BEFORE we are justified.
justification is said to be achieved by Gods drawing, convicting and leading us to repentance when we call out to him in faith (justified by faith)
I believe justification and regeneration are immediate, that the moment a person is not longer under the penalty of sin, because of justification, (Paul calls is the washing in titus 3) they are regenerated Or made alive in Christ (hence the washing of regeneration of titus 3, the washing comes first. Without the washing there can be no regeneration)
its simple logic
the result of my sin is death
hence as long as I am in sin, I will be dead (the penalty of sin is death)
the judicial term used to declare a person is made righteous or set free from the penalty of sin is justification
hence in no way can we be made alive BEFORE we are justified.
justification is said to be achieved by Gods drawing, convicting and leading us to repentance when we call out to him in faith (justified by faith)
I believe justification and regeneration are immediate, that the moment a person is not longer under the penalty of sin, because of justification, (Paul calls is the washing in titus 3) they are regenerated Or made alive in Christ (hence the washing of regeneration of titus 3, the washing comes first. Without the washing there can be no regeneration)
they're not supposed to. they're supposed to communicate something, just like words do. i was asking you a question -- wrong language i guess?
if we cannot be alive while we are in our sins, that's only showing that regeneration can't precede justification. it's not showing that they aren't simultaneous.
if it is shown that justification can't precede regeneration, and regeneration can't precede justification, that both are manifest as time-like events, then they are both immediate consequences of something more fundamental than either.
if we cannot be alive while we are in our sins, that's only showing that regeneration can't precede justification. it's not showing that they aren't simultaneous.
if it is shown that justification can't precede regeneration, and regeneration can't precede justification, that both are manifest as time-like events, then they are both immediate consequences of something more fundamental than either.
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they're not supposed to. they're supposed to communicate something, just like words do. i was asking you a question -- wrong language i guess?
if we cannot be alive while we are in our sins, that's only showing that regeneration can't precede justification. it's not showing that they aren't simultaneous.
if we cannot be alive while we are in our sins, that's only showing that regeneration can't precede justification. it's not showing that they aren't simultaneous.
it is showing that it can be not be before faith,
but it is shown justification must precede, even if only by microseconds.thats where fatalism fails
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Agree
Not sure what you mean by dependent.
I think my overall point is that sanctification is living out and leaning into what we already possess in Christ.
Teachers like John MacArthur for instance teach a one nature view which is slowly being transformed (Reformed and Calvinism) and it is impossible to understand to understand the letters of John from that point of view.
The correct view is the new nature and the flesh.
I'd like to ask you a question about something you said (to make sure that I'm understanding what you are saying), in what way(s) do you believe that our new nature/new self is "dependent" upon what we do (and was our old nature/old self dependent on what we did as unbelievers as well .. or am I completely missing the point you are trying to make about all of this? ).
(and was our old nature/old self dependent on what we did as unbelievers as well .. or am I completely missing the point you are trying to make about all of this? ).
I think my overall point is that sanctification is living out and leaning into what we already possess in Christ.
Teachers like John MacArthur for instance teach a one nature view which is slowly being transformed (Reformed and Calvinism) and it is impossible to understand to understand the letters of John from that point of view.
The correct view is the new nature and the flesh.