No 'But '

[eternally-gratefull]

Again that's an opinion without a verse . I'm not saying that is the case dogmatically but which verse please ?

And again I will ask you for a verse which says trinity

it does not have to say it outright for it to be true,

the things of God are foolishness, without gods help. No one would understand

again, no one can repent unless they are convicted they are sinners

 

[throughfaith]

If that is all it did, then there is still something missing, legalists change their Minds about sin, But have they truly repented?

how can you come to God admitting you’re a sinner without being convicted of sin? Why would you? The pharisee did not, and they led many jews down with them, because they refused to acknowledge their sin

I would simply say ,how can they believe that Jesus died for their sin if they don't understand that Jesus died and paid for their sin . Its intrinsically part of the Gospel . Jesus died for sinners . Acts 13.36 = they did not see themselves needing the Gospel . Acts 13.38 chose themselves as needing and wanting the Gospel .
Jesus said it best by referring those that were in need of a physician, that recognised there need came to Jesus . Where as if you believe you don't need a cure you don't seek the remedy . Its down to what you need to change your mind from in order to believe on the one that did something about the problem we have . Sin was paid .

 

[throughfaith]

And again I will ask you for a verse which says trinity

it does not have to say it outright for it to be true,

the things of God are foolishness, without gods help. No one would understand

again, no one can repent unless they are convicted they are sinners

Then we are left with an opinion. Which is not much to rest on .

 

[throughfaith]

If that is all it did, then there is still something missing, legalists change their Minds about sin, But have they truly repented?

how can you come to God admitting you’re a sinner without being convicted of sin? Why would you? The pharisee did not, and they led many jews down with them, because they refused to acknowledge their sin

This was the Jews issue . 31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever BELIEVETH on him shall not be ashamed.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

The people who say that osas and grace alone allow people to continue in sin also think that we make a decision for Christ. That answering an alter call and saying the magic incantation or sinners prayer makes one saved. So it goes from one misunderstandings to another. Even making a confession of faith is not salvation. What must be understood is believe in your heart. When we sincerely believe in our hearts something it affects our person, our actions and our thinking.
I love to use global warming as an example, all these politicians and celebrities that private jet all around the world lecturing people about global warming do not actually believe their claptrap. If they did it wod affect their thinking and also their actions. People that believe something act on it, not by force of will, but because their belief compels them. I believe in homeopathic medicine, how you know is the herb oils, tinctures and that I pick wild medicinal herbs when I see them. My belief informs my actions. Sunday I picked enough goldenrod flowers to fill a shopping bag, and a heap of asiatic day flower, and right now they are curing into oils and medicines. I don't go out into a field a say oh if I believe this I must do this. I believe it so it informs my actions.
The same way with Christ, I believe Jesus therefore I repent of my sin, and study his words and look forward to his return, because this belief informs my actions. Not the other way around.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would simply say ,how can they believe that Jesus died for their sin if they don't understand that Jesus died and paid for their sin . Its intrinsically part of the Gospel . Jesus died for sinners . Acts 13.36 = they did not see themselves needing the Gospel . Acts 13.38 chose themselves as needing and wanting the Gospel .
Jesus said it best by referring those that were in need of a physician, that recognised there need came to Jesus . Where as if you believe you don't need a cure you don't seek the remedy . Its down to what you need to change your mind from in order to believe on the one that did something about the problem we have . Sin was paid .

They did not think they were sinners. That’s why they pumped their chest and when asked if they kept the law they all said yes.
Why do you need a savior when your not lost

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then we are left with an opinion. Which is not much to rest on .

That’s your view
again I ask how can I repent of my need for a savior if I am not convicted of sin? I can’t and I won’t thus i will Never receive Christ

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This was the Jews issue . 31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever BELIEVETH on him shall not be ashamed.

Yep
they thought they were ok with God because they were never convinced they were sinners. Yet Saul/Paul and many others did. Because they were convicted of sin and found Christ they did not come up with that on their own

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The people who say that osas and grace alone allow people to continue in sin also think that we make a decision for Christ. That answering an alter call and saying the magic incantation or sinners prayer makes one saved. So it goes from one misunderstandings to another. Even making a confession of faith is not salvation. What must be understood is believe in your heart. When we sincerely believe in our hearts something it affects our person, our actions and our thinking.
I love to use global warming as an example, all these politicians and celebrities that private jet all around the world lecturing people about global warming do not actually believe their claptrap. If they did it wod affect their thinking and also their actions. People that believe something act on it, not by force of will, but because their belief compels them. I believe in homeopathic medicine, how you know is the herb oils, tinctures and that I pick wild medicinal herbs when I see them. My belief informs my actions. Sunday I picked enough goldenrod flowers to fill a shopping bag, and a heap of asiatic day flower, and right now they are curing into oils and medicines. I don't go out into a field a say oh if I believe this I must do this. I believe it so it informs my actions.
The same way with Christ, I believe Jesus therefore I repent of my sin, and study his words and look forward to his return, because this belief informs my actions. Not the other way around.

You just put all grace people in the same boat as those who think we can live in sin

You should rethink this assumption because it’s wrong.

 

[throughfaith]

That’s your view
again I ask how can I repent of my need for a savior if I am not convicted of sin? I can’t and I won’t thus i will Never receive Christ

I would say 'How can I change my mind about my need of a savior if I don't change my mind about sin . ' I need to understand why Jesus died for my sins and how Jesus died for my sins to be saved . We then go preach to others this good news as to how they also can recieve .

 

[throughfaith]

Yep
they thought they were ok with God because they were never convinced they were sinners. Yet Saul/Paul and many others did. Because they were convicted of sin and found Christ they did not come up with that on their own

How would you see ' the goodness of God ' leads to a change of mind ?
with Romans 5.8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

 

[EleventhHour]

I would say 'How can I change my mind about my need of a savior if I don't change my mind about sin . ' I need to understand why Jesus died for my sins and how Jesus died for my sins to be saved . We then go preach to others this good news as to how they also can recieve .

The understanding the why is crucial.
The conviction is we can never be sinless and merit salvation thus the need for a savior who was sinless.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

You just put all grace people in the same boat as those who think we can live in sin

You should rethink this assumption because it’s wrong.

No I did not reread what I said this time put your glasses on.

 

[Scribe]

Salvation is by grace through Faith ( Hence the name i chose )
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
No what some do is add ' but '

Does you salvation message include a 'but '
For Example : ' But you have to repent of your sins "

But that faith is never alone ( calvinists)

"But you can't just live how you want and still expect ....."

"But .....

Why are some adding to :
.8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ?

Can it be that it really is good news ?

I am confused about your message. Are you teaching that a prostitute can keep prostituting as long as they have faith they are still saved?

 

[Scribe]

Salvation is by grace through Faith ( Hence the name i chose )
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
No what some do is add ' but '

Does you salvation message include a 'but '
For Example : ' But you have to repent of your sins "

But that faith is never alone ( calvinists)

"But you can't just live how you want and still expect ....."

"But ...
Why are some adding to :
.8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ?

Can it be that it really is good news ?

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

No matter how many times you start a new thread attempting to teach that repentance is not part of salvation you will never be able to change the scriptures with your flawed logic.

 

[throughfaith]

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

No matter how many times you start a new thread attempting to teach that repentance is not part of salvation you will never be able to change the scriptures with your flawed logic.

Change your mind towards God and Faith toward Jesus .

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

You just put all grace people in the same boat as those who think we can live in sin

You should rethink this assumption because it’s wrong.

What is said is that the people who make that assertion, also make the subsequent error.

 

[Scribe]

Change your mind towards God and Faith toward Jesus .

Now look who's adding words...

 

[Scribe]

Salvation is by grace through Faith ( Hence the name i chose )
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
No what some do is add ' but '

Does you salvation message include a 'but '
For Example : ' But you have to repent of your sins "

But that faith is never alone ( calvinists)

"But you can't just live how you want and still expect ....."

"But .....

Why are some adding to :
.8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ?

Can it be that it really is good news ?

If the message does not include the turning away from sins (repentance) then no, it is not good news. If it does include the clear message that we can be freed from our SINS then it is good news. If the sin issue is not dealt with at all, it is not the Gospel at all.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities


Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 13:24 when John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

Acts 19:4
hen said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins

Acts 10:34 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

You cannot study the book of Acts without concluding that repentance in the name of Jesus should be preached from every housetop.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

How can a man dead in sin be made alive in sin

you have a person being healed without being healed,

I believe that Paul explains that after we are spiritually born again we do not lose our fleshly nature and battle with our desires for it as we try to live our spiritual lives in following God's instructions, Rom 7:18.