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[jackrosie]

I believe that Paul explains that after we are spiritually born again we do not lose our fleshly nature and battle with our desires for it as we try to live our spiritual lives in following God's instructions, Rom 7:18.

@ForestGreenCook ,I believe we battle in areas where we are weak.

Whereas areas we are strong......God strengthen us even more.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Yep
they thought they were ok with God because they were never convinced they were sinners. Yet Saul/Paul and many others did. Because they were convicted of sin and found Christ they did not come up with that on their own

Hi Brother...
Did Jesus not find Saul/Paul ?

Acts 9:3-5
3 As he went on his way and was approaching Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?”
5 He asked, “Who are you, Lord?”
...xox...

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Your equations do not impress me much bro

its simple logic

the result of my sin is death

hence as long as I am in sin, I will be dead (the penalty of sin is death)

the judicial term used to declare a person is made righteous or set free from the penalty of sin is justification

hence in no way can we be made alive BEFORE we are justified.

justification is said to be achieved by Gods drawing, convicting and leading us to repentance when we call out to him in faith (justified by faith)

I believe justification and regeneration are immediate, that the moment a person is not longer under the penalty of sin, because of justification, (Paul calls is the washing in titus 3) they are regenerated Or made alive in Christ (hence the washing of regeneration of titus 3, the washing comes first. Without the washing there can be no regeneration)

The washing is not a separate thing from regeneration, but is explaining the process of regeneration. Your theory is still wrong, because you are still trying to give the natural man more spiritual abilities than he has. Everyone that believes the scriptures to teach that man has to do something to get eternal salvation strives to prove that the natural man can, indeed, understand the things of the Spirit, which is a false doctrine devised by man.

We are justified by the faith (faithfulness) of Jesus Christ, Gal 2:16.

 

[throughfaith]

I am confused about your message. Are you teaching that a prostitute can keep prostituting as long as they have faith they are still saved?

We need to unpack this a little. There's some begging the question here

If the message does not include the turning away from sins (repentance) then no, it is not good news. If it does include the clear message that we can be freed from our SINS then it is good news. If the sin issue is not dealt with at all, it is not the Gospel at all.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities


Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 13:24 when John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

Acts 19:4
hen said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins

Acts 10:34 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

You cannot study the book of Acts without concluding that repentance in the name of Jesus should be preached from every housetop.

And here we have it again . ' . The Church of the book of Acts ' . One of the worst things any believer can do is use the book of Acts for doctrine. How people miss this is incredible. This is poor bible study to say the least . THE ACTS OF !!!! THE APOSTLES!!!! is a transitional, historical account of what happened. Transitioning from OT NT , Jew gentile perspective ect. it s not a prescriptive book .

 

[ForestGreenCook]

@ForestGreenCook ,I believe we battle in areas where we are weak.

Whereas areas we are strong......God strengthen us even more.

I am in agreement. Satan tempts us in the areas that our fleshly desires are the weakest.

 

[throughfaith]

If the message does not include the turning away from sins (repentance) then no, it is not good news. If it does include the clear message that we can be freed from our SINS then it is good news. If the sin issue is not dealt with at all, it is not the Gospel at all.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities


Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 13:24 when John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

Acts 19:4
hen said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins

Acts 10:34 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

You cannot study the book of Acts without concluding that repentance in the name of Jesus should be preached from every housetop.

Turning from sins is law keeping . if you say we have to turn from sins to be justified your preaching works salvation. Sin is transgression of the law . ' stop sinning ' to be justified is ' keeping the law to be saved .

 

[jackrosie]

I am in agreement. Satan tempts us in the areas that our fleshly desires are the weakest.

,@ForestGreenCook .....Ohhhhhh yesssssss heeeeee doesssss....and he knows my weaknesses very well.....

 

[throughfaith]

If the message does not include the turning away from sins (repentance) then no, it is not good news. If it does include the clear message that we can be freed from our SINS then it is good news. If the sin issue is not dealt with at all, it is not the Gospel at all.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities


Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 13:24 when John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

Acts 19:4
hen said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins

Acts 10:34 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

You cannot study the book of Acts without concluding that repentance in the name of Jesus should be preached from every housetop.

The message of the gospel IS !! that Jesus HAS dealt with sins . Thats the GOOD NEWS we should tell people and that to recieve Jesus its THROUGH FAITH . Anything else is a false Gospel and disobedience. Which is what you are preaching sadly .

 

[throughfaith]

Now look who's adding words...

Change your mind = ' repent ' that's the meaning of the word .

 

[ForestGreenCook]

We need to unpack this a little. There's some begging the question here
And here we have it again . ' . The Church of the book of Acts ' . One of the worst things any believer can do is use the book of Acts for doctrine. How people miss this is incredible. This is poor bible study to say the least . THE ACTS OF !!!! THE APOSTLES!!!! is a transitional, historical account of what happened. Transitioning from OT NT , Jew gentile perspective ect. it s not a prescriptive book .

When we talk about the doctrine, we are talking about "the teachings of Christ". I don't know what version of the bible you study from, but the KJV sure does have a lot of "red lettering" in the book of Acts.

 

[Rosemaryx]

I believe that Paul explains that after we are spiritually born again we do not lose our fleshly nature and battle with our desires for it as we try to live our spiritual lives in following God's instructions, Rom 7:18.

The Spirit and flesh are always at war with each other...

Galatians 5;17
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
...xox...

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The message of the gospel IS !! that Jesus HAS dealt with sins . Thats the GOOD NEWS we should tell people and that to recieve Jesus its THROUGH FAITH . Anything else is a false Gospel and disobedience. Which is what you are preaching sadly .

The "good news of the gospel" is that Jesus did not leave it up to the failures of mankind to save himself, but it was by Jesus's faith (faithfulness) in going to the cross, that justified us for eternal salvation, Gal 2:16. This is the good news that we should be telling God's regenerated children that are falsely believing that it is left up to man to choose his eternal deliverance.

 

[garee]

@ForestGreenCook ,I believe we battle in areas where we are weak.

Whereas areas we are strong......God strengthen us even more.

I would agree like most principles there are two sides to the same coin. As good or evil increases so the desire for more. We should get into the will of God as much as possible and say. He must increase as we decrease.

The first will be last. The last will be first in the house of God .

Evil hold no place. more more more. Satan a murder from the begging kill them all. Be you own god.

 

[throughfaith]

When we talk about the doctrine, we are talking about "the teachings of Christ". I don't know what version of the bible you study from, but the KJV sure does have a lot of "red lettering" in the book of Acts.

And there's another hermeneutical error . The words in ' red ' are not extra powerful . They were added .

 

[throughfaith]

The "good news of the gospel" is that Jesus did not leave it up to the failures of mankind to save himself, but it was by Jesus's faith (faithfulness) in going to the cross, that justified us for eternal salvation, Gal 2:16. This is the good news that we should be telling God's regenerated children that are falsely believing that it is left up to man to choose his eternal deliverance.

Thats bad news ,unless your ' elect' . So the Good news in Calv is 'Election ' not Jesus . Preaching the good news is being able to tell everyone he has paid for their sins .

 

[Scribe]

We need to unpack this a little. There's some begging the question here
And here we have it again . ' . The Church of the book of Acts ' . One of the worst things any believer can do is use the book of Acts for doctrine. How people miss this is incredible. This is poor bible study to say the least . THE ACTS OF !!!! THE APOSTLES!!!! is a transitional, historical account of what happened. Transitioning from OT NT , Jew gentile perspective ect. it s not a prescriptive book .

Luke was a theologian in his own rights and traveled with Paul. He had a thorough understanding of the Gospel and what he recorded was not arbitrary history but specific events and specific quotes that contributed to the specific theological message he intended to convey.
I know you probably read that Acts is not useful for doctrine but that is not true. Remember "all scripture is profitable for doctrine" and not only did Luke travel with Paul and understand the theology of Paul but he also wrote the Gospel of Luke. To suggest that Luke had no doctrinal intent in writing Acts and recording what he did without recording other things that he could have recorded is a ridiculous concept. The statement that Acts is just history and not useful for doctrine is just a lame defense used by those who want to argue with the scriptures. That people still repeat this myth IS INCREDIBLE. Lucan Pneumatology is a huge area of theology and your statements discounting the doctrinal value of Acts shows you are not very knowledgeable and should not be teaching anyone as you have much to learn.

Turning from sins is law keeping . if you say we have to turn from sins to be justified your preaching works salvation. Sin is transgression of the law . ' stop sinning ' to be justified is ' keeping the law to be saved .

That does not make sense. You are just flailing about now out of desperation because your teaching has been destroyed by the book of Acts.

 

[throughfaith]

Luke was a theologian in his own rights and traveled with Paul. He had a thorough understanding of the Gospel and what he recorded was not arbitrary history but specific events and specific quotes that contributed to the specific theological message he intended to convey.
I know you probably read that Acts is not useful for doctrine but that is not true. Remember "all scripture is profitable for doctrine" and not only did Luke travel with Paul and understand the theology of Paul but he also wrote the Gospel of Luke. To suggest that Luke had no doctrinal intent in writing Acts and recording what he did without recording other things that he could have recorded is a ridiculous concept. The statement that Acts is just history and not useful for doctrine is just a lame defense used by those who want to argue with the scriptures. That people still repeat this myth IS INCREDIBLE. Lucan Pneumatology is a huge area of theology and your statements discounting the doctrinal value of Acts shows you are not very knowledgeable and should not be teaching anyone as you have much to learn.


That does not make sense. You are just flailing about now out of desperation because your teaching has been destroyed by the book of Acts.

Are you saying there is no transitions in the book of Acts ( Acts of the apostles ) ? Are you saying Peter always understood the message to the gentiles ? Did all the hearers understand or was a council needed ? Was there a apostle to the Gentiles before Paul . Was Paul with Peter in Acts 2 ? Was Jesus still with the 12 in Acts 3 ? Are all 29 conversion accounts in the Acts of the apostles the same ? is laying on of hands necessary for salvation ? baptism ? Just believing no repentence ? no believing mentioned just repentance? Does Luke understand the Gospel as we know it before the cross ? did Peter understand the Gospel Before luke 24 ? Did any of the disciples understand the Gospel as we know it before the end of luke ? . Im sure you have thought about all of these things at your 'church of the book of Acts ' .
2 Timothy 2:15
King James Version
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

That's not what the bible says.

Scriptures tell what the bible says, not your words. I do not see any scriptures with your post.

 

[throughfaith]

Scriptures tell what the bible says, not your words. I do not see any scriptures with your post.

No the bible doesn't ' tell us ' we read what it ' says '

 

[ForestGreenCook]

which verse says sins are ' removed 'AFTER someone Believes?

I don't believe that there is a scripture that says that. Eph 2:1 says the sins are removed by the quickening.