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It seems as if the Churches of Christ is an offshoot of this disciples of Christ. Churches of Christ may not be the same as "Church of Christ" though.
The founders of the Christian Church hoped to restore Christian unity by returning to New Testament faith and practices. But the church found that even this led to division. One group which opposed practices not specifically authorized by the New Testament, such as instrumental music in the church and organized missionary activity, gradually pulled away. That group finally was listed separately in the 1906 federal religious census as the "Churches of Christ."
so that's why i've never heard of them before. Interesting church history:
http://www.disciples.org/AboutTheDisciples/HistoryoftheDisciples/tabid/69/Default.aspx
The denomination now counts about 700,000 members in the United States and Canada in about 3,700 congregations. Numerically, the strength of the Disciples of Christ runs in a broad arc that sweeps from Ohio and Kentucky through the Midwest and down into Oklahoma and Texas.
http://www.disciples.org/AboutTheDisciples/tabid/67/Default.aspx
The irony I suppose is that a new denomination is formed every time theres a split.
The founders of the Christian Church hoped to restore Christian unity by returning to New Testament faith and practices. But the church found that even this led to division. One group which opposed practices not specifically authorized by the New Testament, such as instrumental music in the church and organized missionary activity, gradually pulled away. That group finally was listed separately in the 1906 federal religious census as the "Churches of Christ."
so that's why i've never heard of them before. Interesting church history:
http://www.disciples.org/AboutTheDisciples/HistoryoftheDisciples/tabid/69/Default.aspx
The denomination now counts about 700,000 members in the United States and Canada in about 3,700 congregations. Numerically, the strength of the Disciples of Christ runs in a broad arc that sweeps from Ohio and Kentucky through the Midwest and down into Oklahoma and Texas.
http://www.disciples.org/AboutTheDisciples/tabid/67/Default.aspx
The irony I suppose is that a new denomination is formed every time theres a split.
why would we want to know about a church that don't believe Jesus did enough on the cross for our salvation, that we have to do the water baptism in order to be saved, and that if you are a member then try to leave the Church even if you move and want to go the a Church of Christ closer to your new place , the old Church will tell you if you leave their Church then you lose your salvation!!! , however maybe you can help me, did Jesus lied the the other man on the cross when he told him that, this day you will be with me in paridise since he was not baptized, and if we have to have water baptism for salvation doesn't that limit The almighty God , for how does God save someone in the desert, where there is no water??? oh yeah one more question if we can get saved by water Baptism WHY DID JESUS HAVE TO GO TO THE CROSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ga 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in VAIN.
Help me out if you can ??
One more please If God is not a respect of persons and the man on the Cross with Jesus made it in without water baptism , doesn't that mean that I can make it in without it also
Ro 2:11For there is no RESPECT OF PERSONS with God.
Ga 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in VAIN.
Help me out if you can ??
One more please If God is not a respect of persons and the man on the Cross with Jesus made it in without water baptism , doesn't that mean that I can make it in without it also
Ro 2:11For there is no RESPECT OF PERSONS with God.
K
Straight up Thaddeus, regardless if your doctrine is right or wrong, the confrontational and argumentative nature that you and others of your denomination display is ruining your chances of anyone taking you guys seriously. In your mind you may think you are boldly defending the faith but all everyone else sees here is denominational pride. You act as though you are sheep but your actions are that of ravenous wolves. Sound familiar?
Ga 4:16Am I therefore become your ENEMY, because I tell you the truth?
Ga 1:6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto ANOTHER GOSPEL:
Eph 2:8For BY GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Yeah I have enough compassion for the truth , that anyone preaches that there is a work we can do for our salvation I will stand up against the gospel which is a false gospel and will misguide alot of people, are you saying that it is okay to let peolpe believe any lie that satan will throw at us to keep us from The love of God , and I think you are assuming here or either misguiled yourself for I have no denomination, I pastor a Christian Church, I don't know how you know that I have a denomination, you really shouldn't give out false information on people!!
K
This isn't about whether you are speaking truth or not. It's in the manner in which you present it. Although you are one of the more subtle ones, very little compassion & humility is being expressed what so ever.
As for your denomination, I think it's pretty obvious to which denomination that you hold allegiance to. I think it's very sad that you all feel the necessity to wear a mask to conceal your allegiance, although it does seem to be the norm here at CC. However, please note that it is not because of your denomination affiliation that people do not take your seriously but because of the banner of pride that you all so proudly display. The fact that you all don't hesitate to jump in someone's face and cram doctrine down someone's throat. Where is the unconditional love and grace that you all claim to live by?
As you can tell finess isn't one of my strong points but there is a better way...
As for your denomination, I think it's pretty obvious to which denomination that you hold allegiance to. I think it's very sad that you all feel the necessity to wear a mask to conceal your allegiance, although it does seem to be the norm here at CC. However, please note that it is not because of your denomination affiliation that people do not take your seriously but because of the banner of pride that you all so proudly display. The fact that you all don't hesitate to jump in someone's face and cram doctrine down someone's throat. Where is the unconditional love and grace that you all claim to live by?
As you can tell finess isn't one of my strong points but there is a better way...
L
Amen! We are to stand up for truth, but there are guidelines on how we are to go about it. I would not want to attend a church that is always downing other religions in an argumentative manner. There are informative and gentle ways in which to offer correction, and one can discover the "how to's" all throughout the New Testament. If people would spend more time presenting the Gospel with love rather than argument, Christianity might experience more converts and less negative connotation.
L
P.S. Some people appear to take disagreement as a personal challenge and "fight back" in a defensive manner. In reality, when someone disagrees with or rejects Truth, it is an infraction against the Lord, not against us. We should not take it personally, but instead present ourselves as responsible ambassadors of Christ, gently correcting, and praying that the Holy Spirit does his work in converting a soul.
did that already.
The thing I'm noticing about most of the "saved by grace" denom's is that they seem to be forgetting that we are All a part of the same body.As it is written in the book of1st cor.
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual, but as to carnal, even as to babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered: but God hath given the increase.
1Co 3:7 So then, neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth: but God that giveth the increase.
1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward, according to his own labor.
1Co 3:9 For we are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given to me, as a wise master-builder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth upon it. But let every man take heed how he buildeth upon it.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man buildeth upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work will be made manifest: for the day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will try every man's work, of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abideth which he hath built upon it, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he will suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defileth the temple of God, him will God destroy: for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
1Co 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men: for all things are yours:
1Co 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1Co 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
II see that Paul has had to deal with denom.pride aswell,even to the point of calling them "carnal",&babies only capable of digesting milk and not meat.
So when you see those that are so called "contending for the faith"Know that they are cotending for their flesh and their carnal nature,Not knowing with what body they are contending.
Like a cancer in a persons body devowering another member some contend that if you dont believe as they do you are all but condemned to the lake of fire.
Not understanding how the planting and watering is to be performed .
Now I aint the sharpest pencil in the box,nor do I claim to be the brightest color on the page,But I know not to beat the ground till a bean sprout comes up,cuz if the seed is disrupted in the ground it wont germinate at all.Ya think thats what Paul was geting at in this chapter?
In my spiritual walk I've been to many different denom's,and have noticed this about all of them,each one to me represents a phase in the spiritual growth.
Each one has its hits and misses in interpretation of the scriptures.If God is indeed granting the increase in a persons life they will grow into or out of a specific denom.They dont need folx like me and you tellin them they are in errorwith hateful speach,they'll see it in our peaceful planting .Through the answering of questions.If a person asks you tell them what you think the closest answer you have to the subject.If they gtet that answer ,then kool,But if they dont get it ,kool,Let God do the weatering.What if the answer you gave them is wrong and you keep hounding them with that answer,till you beat them into submission,Then you both are in the dark.
so I say live and let live ,Plant and water ,Let God grant the increase.
Holla
The thing I'm noticing about most of the "saved by grace" denom's is that they seem to be forgetting that we are All a part of the same body.As it is written in the book of1st cor.
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual, but as to carnal, even as to babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered: but God hath given the increase.
1Co 3:7 So then, neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth: but God that giveth the increase.
1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward, according to his own labor.
1Co 3:9 For we are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given to me, as a wise master-builder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth upon it. But let every man take heed how he buildeth upon it.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man buildeth upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work will be made manifest: for the day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will try every man's work, of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abideth which he hath built upon it, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he will suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defileth the temple of God, him will God destroy: for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
1Co 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men: for all things are yours:
1Co 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1Co 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
II see that Paul has had to deal with denom.pride aswell,even to the point of calling them "carnal",&babies only capable of digesting milk and not meat.
So when you see those that are so called "contending for the faith"Know that they are cotending for their flesh and their carnal nature,Not knowing with what body they are contending.
Like a cancer in a persons body devowering another member some contend that if you dont believe as they do you are all but condemned to the lake of fire.
Not understanding how the planting and watering is to be performed .
Now I aint the sharpest pencil in the box,nor do I claim to be the brightest color on the page,But I know not to beat the ground till a bean sprout comes up,cuz if the seed is disrupted in the ground it wont germinate at all.Ya think thats what Paul was geting at in this chapter?
In my spiritual walk I've been to many different denom's,and have noticed this about all of them,each one to me represents a phase in the spiritual growth.
Each one has its hits and misses in interpretation of the scriptures.If God is indeed granting the increase in a persons life they will grow into or out of a specific denom.They dont need folx like me and you tellin them they are in errorwith hateful speach,they'll see it in our peaceful planting .Through the answering of questions.If a person asks you tell them what you think the closest answer you have to the subject.If they gtet that answer ,then kool,But if they dont get it ,kool,Let God do the weatering.What if the answer you gave them is wrong and you keep hounding them with that answer,till you beat them into submission,Then you both are in the dark.
so I say live and let live ,Plant and water ,Let God grant the increase.
Holla
Ga 1:6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Ga 1:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.Ga 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.Ga 1:9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.Ga 1:10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.Ga 1:11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.Ga 1:12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
I am sorry if I come off strong , but this is serious stuff, this is not just another doctrine or a man made doctrine, that can cause someone to lose some of their rewards , but this is a salvational issue, there is life in the balance here. there are not many ways into heaven, water baptism, church membership, being good, treating others nice won't cut it. it is by Jesus Christ and Him alone, He Is The WAY the only Way, wake up people, where is your faith , in what Christ did for us , or in some work that we can do
Ga 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in VAIN.
If there is something we can do for our salvation then you trample ( stomp) the works Of Christ.
Joh 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I am sorry if I come off strong , but this is serious stuff, this is not just another doctrine or a man made doctrine, that can cause someone to lose some of their rewards , but this is a salvational issue, there is life in the balance here. there are not many ways into heaven, water baptism, church membership, being good, treating others nice won't cut it. it is by Jesus Christ and Him alone, He Is The WAY the only Way, wake up people, where is your faith , in what Christ did for us , or in some work that we can do
Ga 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in VAIN.
If there is something we can do for our salvation then you trample ( stomp) the works Of Christ.
Joh 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I am trying to lay the foundation for our salvation and I am in the wrong, yet you can call me a lair and know more about if I belong to a denomination or not. we have to put God first over anyone or anything else I put my compassion toward His Truth, and then for the lost by telling them the truth. preach the Gospel , not any gospel
Jude 1:22And of some have compassion, making a difference:Jude 1:23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
some are reached with compassion some with fear there are more ways to reach people (than just the way you think) with the true message
Jude 1:22And of some have compassion, making a difference:Jude 1:23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
some are reached with compassion some with fear there are more ways to reach people (than just the way you think) with the true message
K
The thing is a young lady came here looking to make a christian connection instead she was met with harsh judgment and criticism. If you do not agree with her doctrine, that's fine but if you feel the need to talk to them about it then how about getting to know them a little bit then bring up your concern in private.
Instead we have a bunch of guys who barge their way into a conversation then start swinging doctrine around like a base ball bat with no regard whatsover for anyone else but the desire to fulfill there own religious ego. . It's getting ridiculous!
Instead we have a bunch of guys who barge their way into a conversation then start swinging doctrine around like a base ball bat with no regard whatsover for anyone else but the desire to fulfill there own religious ego. . It's getting ridiculous!
so while I am getting to know her, something could happen to her. and I would never get to tell her the truth. Nope I don't want that on my hands if something should happen to me also, if we believe we are in the final hour there is no time to pitty pat around salvational issues
Eze 3:18When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not WARNING, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
No I think I will listen to God rather than man. I don't see anywhere in this verse that is says to become friends with them before I try to warn them
the Manner that we need to have faith in God and Him alone ABSOLUTELY, that there is only one way, not ever religion, leads into heaven ABSOLUTELY. That I can't save myself That I must fully trust in the Works Of Jesus Christ for My salvation ABSOLUTELY, And If I trust in some work that I can do for my salvation that it is sinking sand ABSOLUTELY PRAISE the LORD. and that life is just a vapor that appeareth for a little while then it vanishes and there is no time to waste when it comes to someones salvation ABSOLUTELY
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