Calvinism and Context?
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Agreed no one save themselves. Salvation is a gift from God. He sent his Son so that whosoever believes in him shall not perish. He already made the way and paid the price so all we have to do is accept or not. Scripture says that whosoever shall call upon him shall be saved.
Romans 10: 13
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10: 13
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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A yes or no answer would would suffice. Let me limit the question further and make it more simple for you:
1) Yes an unsaved person does possess sufficient faith to apprehend the gospel and subsequently salvation.
2) No an unsaved person does not process sufficient faith........(and so on and so forth)
A simple yes or no answer will suffice thank you.
1) Yes an unsaved person does possess sufficient faith to apprehend the gospel and subsequently salvation.
2) No an unsaved person does not process sufficient faith........(and so on and so forth)
A simple yes or no answer will suffice thank you.
Ephesians 1:4
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be Holy and blameless in his sight.In love.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s s Children.
God brought me to belief..I did not bring myself....I could never believe in my own strength....only in God’ s strength.......I have no strength to believe.he chose and drew me.
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be Holy and blameless in his sight.In love.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s s Children.
God brought me to belief..I did not bring myself....I could never believe in my own strength....only in God’ s strength.......I have no strength to believe.he chose and drew me.
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Speaking of Job, he and his friends went through many many chapters making assumptions about the character of God, presuming to know His will and so on and so forth.
Of course all of this didn't amount to a hill of beans. God did not agree with any of them and He certainly did not offer any explanations or excuses. God's response was in part was I know what I'm doing......don't even bother asking.
You may or may not get the connection but that's one of the reasons I tend toward the
election-foreordination-predestination line of thinking.
Of course all of this didn't amount to a hill of beans. God did not agree with any of them and He certainly did not offer any explanations or excuses. God's response was in part was I know what I'm doing......don't even bother asking.
You may or may not get the connection but that's one of the reasons I tend toward the
election-foreordination-predestination line of thinking.
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Perhaps you can just deal with this scripture...and how it refutes total inability.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
No need to suppress truth if one cannot be affected by it and have the ability to believe it.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
No need to suppress truth if one cannot be affected by it and have the ability to believe it.
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I believe that he did choose us in Jesus Christ to be holy and blameless in his sight. They only way to be holy and blameless is through the blood of Jesus. I believe that Jesus died for us and that we have to believe and accept him. God knows the end from the beginning, though.
And yes the Spirit does testify to our spirit that we are God's children after we our saved.... all of that is scripture and is true.
I think where we differ, is that I believe that God draws everyone. Jesus said if I be lifted up I will draw all men to me. He also said the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, of judgement and of righteousness. To me this is enabling the whole world to come to belief...if they will accept.
Hopefully this makes since. Anyhow like I said, I don't have a whole lot of time to discuss right now, though. Hopefully later.
And yes the Spirit does testify to our spirit that we are God's children after we our saved.... all of that is scripture and is true.
I think where we differ, is that I believe that God draws everyone. Jesus said if I be lifted up I will draw all men to me. He also said the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, of judgement and of righteousness. To me this is enabling the whole world to come to belief...if they will accept.
Hopefully this makes since. Anyhow like I said, I don't have a whole lot of time to discuss right now, though. Hopefully later.
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You're missing so much in Job. There certainly was a degree of ignorance being spoken, but God's answer to Job wasn't to deny accountability. In fact God coming to answer for Himself affirms our ability to hold God to His character.
One of the things that is easily missed about that book is it is structured like a ANE trial with Job's 3 friends in the role of prosecutor. Then Job makes a sworn declaration of innocence which requires God to make an accusation. In steps Elihu who declares that he is speaking for God and holds up God's majesty and Job's lowliness as grounds for God not answering Job and Elihu accuses Job of sinning.
So what does God do? He answers Job and doesn't accuse him. Instead God presents the manner in which He cares for creation and arranges grand and small details to demonstrate that nothing escapes His notice. God in essence affirms Job's statements of innocence, though censuring him for some of his speech that was done in ignorance. God's argument is not "you are too lowly to question me," but rather "do you think anything escapes my notice?"
Yet as I predicted earlier your view is more in line with Elihu than Job, as you presume to speak for God.
One of the things that is easily missed about that book is it is structured like a ANE trial with Job's 3 friends in the role of prosecutor. Then Job makes a sworn declaration of innocence which requires God to make an accusation. In steps Elihu who declares that he is speaking for God and holds up God's majesty and Job's lowliness as grounds for God not answering Job and Elihu accuses Job of sinning.
So what does God do? He answers Job and doesn't accuse him. Instead God presents the manner in which He cares for creation and arranges grand and small details to demonstrate that nothing escapes His notice. God in essence affirms Job's statements of innocence, though censuring him for some of his speech that was done in ignorance. God's argument is not "you are too lowly to question me," but rather "do you think anything escapes my notice?"
Yet as I predicted earlier your view is more in line with Elihu than Job, as you presume to speak for God.
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) which hits ALL points you raise.We should endeavor to learn about John 12:32 "all men" far better than we do now.
That term "all" is one of the most open to misuse in all of scripture in my opinion.
Myself I have only the slipperiest of grips on the term "all". Still trying to learn more about that term.
https://biblehub.com/greek/3956.htm
3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.
"This does away completely also with the Arminian argument where they point to John 12, where Jesus says "when I am lifted up I will draw all men to myself". While we already demonstrated that "draw him" (John6 v. 44) is parallel with "gives me" (John6v. 37) because it is spoken in the same context with multiple parallelisms so we concluded that ALL the Father gives (draws to) Christ come to him. But the Arminain must reach outside of this passage (out of context) to a completely different situation where Greeks approach Jesus. There is no indication that Jesus is referring to the same issue. In fact, when read in context, Jesus is telling them that he is fulfilling the promise to Abraham that he would become a father of many nations. Not only Jews but gentiles will be included, so Jesus is establishing that He will draw (not all men without exception) but all men without distinction (Jews and Gentiles). He is announcing that his coming coincides with the expansion of God's kingdom to include Gentiles, in large measure."
That term "all" is one of the most open to misuse in all of scripture in my opinion.
Myself I have only the slipperiest of grips on the term "all". Still trying to learn more about that term.
https://biblehub.com/greek/3956.htm
3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.
"This does away completely also with the Arminian argument where they point to John 12, where Jesus says "when I am lifted up I will draw all men to myself". While we already demonstrated that "draw him" (John6 v. 44) is parallel with "gives me" (John6v. 37) because it is spoken in the same context with multiple parallelisms so we concluded that ALL the Father gives (draws to) Christ come to him. But the Arminain must reach outside of this passage (out of context) to a completely different situation where Greeks approach Jesus. There is no indication that Jesus is referring to the same issue. In fact, when read in context, Jesus is telling them that he is fulfilling the promise to Abraham that he would become a father of many nations. Not only Jews but gentiles will be included, so Jesus is establishing that He will draw (not all men without exception) but all men without distinction (Jews and Gentiles). He is announcing that his coming coincides with the expansion of God's kingdom to include Gentiles, in large measure."
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Being born again is regeneration/eternal life. The Holy Spirit does not indwell a non-believer ... that is plain wrong.
This occurs after belief, not before.
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
Jesus made it clear to Nicodemus in John 3.
This occurs after belief, not before.
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
Jesus made it clear to Nicodemus in John 3.
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Show me the scripture please....God testifies to our spirit that we are his child after we are saved..that is what he said.
Also,you don’t understand what it means,when God testifies to our Spirit that we are his child...how else would we know were his child....without testifying it to our Spirit.
Who said the Holy Spirit dwell a non believer?
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I just showed you the sequence.
And please do not tell me what I do and do not understand.
The Holy Spirit does NOT indwell a non born again person ................and testifying to our spirit is about being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, which confirms our new birth.
This is does not happen prior to belief.
And please do not tell me what I do and do not understand.
The Holy Spirit does NOT indwell a non born again person ................and testifying to our spirit is about being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, which confirms our new birth.
This is does not happen prior to belief.
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