Calvinism and Context?

[dcontroversal]

Show me where I have said " Everyone". Is twisting my words..Thank you.

Everyone by default....

Again you are twisting my words and accusing me falsely......Continue and I will continue to defend your deceit and lies.

this man keeps badgering me about my saving....he won’t leave me alone about it. He keeps trying to put words into my mouth and twisting my words.

Don’t try twisting to make it look like I’m the problem....you and your mates are......how many times have I asked you to leave me alone? You are a manipulator of words...especially my words. Leave Me Alone.

Once again,who posted that God was evil? Please show me,we posted scripture,which you denied. You use the same excuse,”context”.....or the twisting of words.which you and dc do all of the time......

She did not say that..again you are twisting the words around...again,she never said that...what she said is not scripture.

etc.....too many to post......

Like when I said....Show me a verbatim verse that says Jesus lives in our heart and it got twisted into me NOT KNOWING or believing the Holy Spirit indwells the believer....even though I have stated it dozens of times in the 6 plus years I have been here.....

 

[dcontroversal]

I would state he is trying to give you the correct Gospel and has the patience of Job!!

I am not even addressing her.....gotta love the fact we can search out posts on this site and bring them forward...

 

[jackrosie]

How is understanding "I did not believe until I was saved" to mean that your salvation preceded your belief in the gospel twisting of your words?

Whether you were chosen and drawn is secondary, and your statement "I was chosen, drawn, and saved" is missing the crucial element of belief.

How could you be saved without believing?

Seriously!..........how many more times must I say....God brought me to believe in Him...what part of that don't you understand?

I had a personal revelation between God and myself......if you believe I am not saved....I have no problem with that what so ever ....
My salvation is between God and myself......whom I believe in,with my heart mind and soul.....goodnight.....your questions are pointless....because they are all about you and for your own benefit.

 

[oldethennew]

DC, WHY??? are you caring on with someone who you have obviously caterised as being an 'un-believer'???

 

[jackrosie]

Everyone by default....

Again you are twisting my words and accusing me falsely......Continue and I will continue to defend your deceit and lies.

this man keeps badgering me about my saving....he won’t leave me alone about it. He keeps trying to put words into my mouth and twisting my words.

Don’t try twisting to make it look like I’m the problem....you and your mates are......how many times have I asked you to leave me alone? You are a manipulator of words...especially my words. Leave Me Alone.

Once again,who posted that God was evil? Please show me,we posted scripture,which you denied. You use the same excuse,”context”.....or the twisting of words.which you and dc do all of the time......

She did not say that..again you are twisting the words around...again,she never said that...what she said is not scripture.

etc.....too many to post......

Like when I said....Show me a verbatim verse that says Jesus lives in our heart and it got twisted into me NOT KNOWING or believing the Holy Spirit indwells the believer....even though I have stated it dozens of times in the 6 plus years I have been here.....

Admin will see from the minute you entered this thread today....you made a beeline for me.

I wish I could bring all the posts you addressed to me about being unsaved..
Unfortunately I can't,....as I don't know how to copy and paste.

What a shame.....as some of your posts are full of VENOM to members.

Yet still you remain on this site!.

 

[dcontroversal]

DC, WHY??? are you caring on with someone who you have obviously caterised as being an 'un-believer'???

Excuse me?
A. Mind your own business
or
B. Step up to the plate and defend the correct message of salvation

 

[dcontroversal]

Admin will see from the minute you entered this thread today....you made a beeline for me.

I wish I could bring all the posts you addressed to me about being unsaved..
Unfortunately I can't,....as I don't know how to copy and paste.

What a shame.....as some of your posts are full of VENOM to members.

Yet still you remain on this site!.

I have never once stated you were unsaved and for the most part I have not even addressed you, but other posters....get your facts straight and PULL ONE QUOTE from me saying VERBATIM that you were or are not saved!

We will all wait....as a matter of fact....I will ask ANYONE to find and pull and post a quote where I verbatim have stated she is not saved!

 

[jackrosie]

I have never once stated you were unsaved and for the most part I have not even addressed you, but other posters....get your facts straight and PULL ONE QUOTE from me saying VERBATIM that you were or are not saved!

We will all wait....as a matter of fact....I will ask ANYONE to find and pull and post a quote where I verbatim have stated she is not saved!

Are you joking.....you have insinuated that I'm not saved from day one......and look what you have said on your posts today...

If I could copy and paste I would,all of your venomous posts to me...yes I have retaliated,but nothing like you.....I hope we both get banned.
Because IMO it would be unfair if one stayed and the other was banned.....

 

[EleventhHour]

I have never once stated you were unsaved and for the most part I have not even addressed you, but other posters....get your facts straight and PULL ONE QUOTE from me saying VERBATIM that you were or are not saved!

We will all wait....as a matter of fact....I will ask ANYONE to find and pull and post a quote where I verbatim have stated she is not saved!

I have read a good chunk of your replies and I know you have never stated she is not saved and she accused me of the same.

 

[oldethennew]

come on DC, in this 'forum' everyone's business is 'EVERYONE"S BUSINESS'!!! simply because they
are 'putting IT OUT THERE!!!
get REAL HERE brother, this is why we have your back 'when you deserve it',
and when you 'don't'...
HELLO...

 

[Bbrdrd]

Seriously!..........how many more times must I say....God brought me to believe in Him...what part of that don't you understand?

I had a personal revelation between God and myself......if you believe I am not saved....I have no problem with that what so ever ....
My salvation is between God and myself......whom I believe in,with my heart mind and soul.....goodnight.....your questions are pointless....because they are all about you and for your own benefit.

My questions aren't about me or for my benefit. I am concerned for you because you seem to be caught up in a deception. I never said you weren't saved though I have asked pointed questions that are concerning that you can't give a straight answer to.

 

[jackrosie]

My questions aren't about me or for my benefit. I am concerned for you because you seem to be caught up in a deception. I never said you weren't saved though I have asked pointed questions that are concerning that you can't give a straight answer to.

I am caught up in no deception...Sir,with respect you aren't my saviour...God is...I will leave it there....goodnight.

 

[EleventhHour]

Are you joking.....you have insinuated that I'm not saved from day one......and look what you have said on your posts today...

If I could copy and paste I would,all of your venomous posts to me...yes I have retaliated,but nothing like you.....I hope we both get banned.
Because IMO it would be unfair if one stayed and the other was banned.....

And how many times have you questioned my fruit ... so this is not one sided like you want to portray.

 

[EleventhHour]

Oh well... at least we have our Catholic troll back giving out likes... this must be the kinder, gentler version

DoYourPenanceNOW
2 minutes ago

 

[cv5]

So there is something that a man does in the process of his salvation, not completely and wholly attributable to God?

I seriously doubt it. And I don't really see anything compelling enough in scripture to make me believe otherwise.

The Apostles did not choose themselves. As the group, the Apostles were far too fragile feeble and spiritually crippled to do anything about their own salvation that's for sure. I think that by the grace of God they were both called AND heeded the call.

And tell me if I'm wrong but every time that Jesus exited the situation they literally fell to pieces.
No, Jesus was the author and finisher of their faith. He chose them explicitly and according to scripture, from eternity past before they were born (as was Paul, as was "probably" every seminal figure in the history of salvation). His prayers perpetuated their perseverance and secured ultimate salvation.

And Judas, in my humble opinion, had absolutely no choice in the matter of his destiny. NONE.
There is no way that any of the scripture pertaining to Christ could have been broken. No way.

 

[cv5]

This right here is a prime example of how calvinists twist and skew their use of words to support their false ideology...same style of Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons.....

You are entitled to your opinion. I say scripture is on my side regardless.

 

[dcontroversal]

come on DC, in this 'forum' everyone's business is 'EVERYONE"S BUSINESS'!!! simply because they
are 'putting IT OUT THERE!!!
get REAL HERE brother, this is why we have your back 'when you deserve it',
and when you 'don't'...
HELLO...

if you can read all that had been written and honestly believe she has dealt with me fairly and the stuff she is saying is right then there is nothing to say.....!

 

[cv5]

Conflated verses/denied context used to support you stance discredit your stance and lend to your dishonest application of scripture......

Note....you are facilitating error and causing people to stumble by your Calvinistic error

That is not what the early church fathers thought. Or taught. Come to think of it that goes for Paul and Peter as well.

 

[EleventhHour]

I seriously doubt it. And I don't really see anything compelling enough in scripture to make me believe otherwise.

The Apostles did not choose themselves. As the group, the Apostles were far too fragile feeble and spiritually crippled to do anything about their own salvation that's for sure. I think that by the grace of God they were both called AND heeded the call.

And tell me if I'm wrong but every time that Jesus exited the situation they literally fell to pieces.
No, Jesus was the author and finisher of their faith. He chose them explicitly and according to scripture, from eternity past before they were born (as was Paul, as was "probably" every seminal figure in the history of salvation). His prayers perpetuated their perseverance and secured ultimate salvation.

And Judas, in my humble opinion, had absolutely no choice in the matter of his destiny. NONE.
There is no way that any of the scripture pertaining to Christ could have been broken. No way.

And Judas, in my humble opinion, had absolutely no choice in the matter of his destiny.

Interesting God provides a different instruction which you have not addressed.

Gen 4:7 “If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”

 

[dcontroversal]

You are entitled to your opinion. I say scripture is on my side regardless.

Of course you would....so would the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, MARY Baker Eddy, Ellen White, Ron Hubbard and Jim Jones if he was still sucking air ......!!

A few proof texts, skewed scripture, context and word definitions does not equal right man