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kaylagrl

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Of course you can't see how, none of us can if we look through our eyes, we are not to do so, if we are born again, spirit filled, we are no longer our own and we no longer see through our own eyes but take everything to the father and see the world through His lens, His eyes.
To make a statement like that is to take presume His ways are your or ours ways, we know that is not true.
We MUST NOT lean on our own understanding, but in AL our ways acknowledge Him, then He WILL make straight our path.
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No, that is only for believers. That is not for the unbeliever who has passed into eternity. He will make straight the path of those who believe and trust in Him. This has nothing to do with Ginsburg. Unless someone witnessed to her at the last minute and she made some sort of deathbed confession, she did not make heaven. Her dying wish was that another liberal, who would protect abortion, would be put in her place. That doesn't sound like a woman who repented and saw the error of her beliefs. It's wrong to try and place a person in heaven because we find them likable.
 
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kaylagrl

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no, I don't believe she is "trying desperately to promote" anything.
The thief on the cross was promised he would be with Jesus in paradise.
What if a person whose heart has been judged to be worthy is greeted by Jesus as the veil is parting? His ways are not our ways, and we know it isn't His will that any perish.
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The thief on the cross repented of his sins and acknowledged Christ as his Savior. Without that none of us can enter heaven. You cannot believe in other gods and make heaven. It's not about a heart being judged worthy, it's not about good people that we'd like to see in heaven, it's about having a personal relationship with Christ. There is no other way. And if you are telling people there is, you are giving them false hope. While I believe people can have a deathbed confession I tell unbelievers very few people get that chance. The Bible says the time of salvation is now.
 
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Ann-Marie

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kaylagrl said:
But that's not what the Bible says. Someone who is an unbeliever, an atheist, or believe in another god, will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whatever they saw, it was not God welcoming them home, I'm sorry.

Dont be sorry, Kayla. You might be very surprised one day ...

Once a person has passed, they are gone. You cannot speak to someone who has passed into the next life.

I never said I spoke to anyone. I said I had a premonition of my Uncle dying 4 hours before he died. I did not know he was ill. I have had other premonitions. Make of it what you will.

Are you a believer yourself? No, you are right to judge. Unless they repent of their sin, they will die in their sin. A murderer, rapist, pedophile etc. cannot enter heaven unless they truly repent and change their path. That is what the Bible says.
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I believe Jesus said to Judge not ... for what measure you judge with you will be judged (my words).
I guess I judge and have judged many times, and I dont think it is right for me to judge/or decide what God decides to do with people when they leave this earthy.
 
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Kayla - What if it was Jesus welcoming him that he responded to with "wow, wow!"
 
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1 Corinthians 13
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13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
 
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kaylagrl

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Kayla - What if it was Jesus welcoming him that he responded to with "wow, wow!"
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I believe you have a wonderful heart for God. So please don't take this as a personal attack and understand what I am saying. I was in evangelistic ministry for 20 yrs. There is a difference between judging a person and telling a person they are lost and in sin without a personal relationship with Christ. We can say "if" and "maybe" for a lot of people we love or like. I recall when Princess Diana died. I was such a fan of hers as a little girl and had her pictures all over my room. I think she was a good person, a genuine person, and she did much to help the poor and sick. She was a lady to be admired. The day she died I was in concert that morning and people were just in grief. I don't know that she went to heaven, I want her to be in heaven, but nothing she said would make me think she had a personal relationship with Christ. She cheated on her husband, as he did with her, and slept with several men she wasn't married to. She didn't seem to understand that was sin. I hope that someone witnessed to her and she made a confession of faith before her death, but again, that's wishful thinking on my part.

We cannot give people false hope. We have to let people know that the only way to get to heaven is through a personal relationship with Christ. We can't wish people into heaven just because we find them likable or popular. The Bible says now, today, this moment is the time of salvation and we need very careful that we aren't giving people a pass into heaven because we find them personally likable.
 
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kaylagrl

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Ann-Marie said:
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I believe Jesus said to Judge not ... for what measure you judge with you will be judged (my words).
I guess I judge and have judged many times, and I dont think it is right for me to judge/or decide what God decides to do with people when they leave this earthy.
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No, you're mistaking my point I think. God has already said what He will do when we leave this earth. He already told us there is only one way to salvation. We can know if we are saved, and we can know if another is saved. I don't wish anyone into hell, but we cannot either wish people into heaven. God has already decided and said in His Word what will happen if we do not accept Him as Lord and Savior of our lives. He has already decided, we know we will be judged according to what we have done if we do not repent of our sins. We don't want to obscure people's way or be a stumbling block. There is only one way, Jesus, no other, no other god, no other name. As we are nearing the last days the message must be clear. Jesus is the only way.
 
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kaylagrl

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Ann-Marie said:
1 Corinthians 13
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13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
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If you love a person you will tell them the truth. Only one way, Jesus.
 
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Billy Graham, the the greatest Evangelist that ever lived. His thoughts on who goes to Heaven:

 
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Ann-Marie said:
Speculating that someone went to Hades (meaning is the grave) is very true. If, on the other hand, you mean Hell, I think that that is best left to God to decide. You do not know her heart. I have noticed that some believe that one particular belief system WITHIN Christianity ONLY is the only way to Heaven. I think that is a narrow view for a narrow god.

My question for any of you who might remember: where did the Jewish victims of the Holocaust go?
Specifically, where did Anne Frank, a Jewish girl of 15, raised in Judaism and who believed and followed what she was taught to believe and follow, go?

Can we blame people for being born into and believing what their parents teach them? Can they blame and judge us for being "wrong"? Or is God wider than that? You will say Iesus said, I am the way, the truth ... etc. Is it possible that Jesus can be experienced through a different vortex? Currently this is the belief of Mainline Christianity, Catholicism, Mainline Muslimism AND Judaism.

Perhaps ... God is bigger and greater than anything we can understand.
May she rest in Peace.
Amen.
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She denied Jesus Christ, and whoever denies Him will be denied by Him before the Father.
 
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Seriously, dont we just let God, who knows the heart of every one of us, decide?
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God knows her heart. She championed abortion and circumvented the very government of life and liberty she was supposed to uphold. The blood of untold millions is on her hands.
 
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Duskey said:
God knows her heart. She championed abortion and circumvented the very government of life and liberty she was supposed to uphold. The blood of untold millions is on her hands.
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Idid not know she personally made abortion legal. I thought that was Roe vs Wade.
I did not know she performed any abortions.
 
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Ann-Marie said:
I have noticed that some believe that one particular belief system WITHIN Christianity ONLY is the only way to Heaven. I think that is a narrow view for a narrow god.
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Well Jesus made it perfectly clear that the gate is narrow, and the way is also narrow to Heaven. And since He Himself is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no person comes to the Father (who is in Heaven) except through Him.

And it is not Christianity but CHRIST who is the only way to Heaven.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)
 
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Idid not know she personally made abortion legal. I thought that was Roe vs Wade.
I did not know she performed any abortions.
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You also don’t know that without Jesus Christ you don’t have salvation but you’re trying to circumvent God’s will to appease yourself.
 
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God knows her heart. She championed abortion and circumvented the very government of life and liberty she was supposed to uphold. The blood of untold millions is on her hands.
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If God can forgive Paul, Hitler (if this is the case), or the multitude of people in prison, He can forgive RBG. She may be like the guy who believed at the crucifixion.

One sinner is not better/worse than another sinner; we are all sinners.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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Matthew 7:1-2
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7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
 
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Ann-Marie

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My Thoughts:

What you believe/or dont believe about God is dependent on what culture you are brought up in. If you are brought up in China, you will most likely be an atheist.
If you are born into a Roman Catholic family in Italy, you will be a Roman Catholic.
If you are born in Israel into a Jewish family, you will be Jewish.

AND, you will most likely follow the religion you were brought up to believe is right and believe that is what gets you to Heaven. Why is this so hard to understand. It is an accident of birth.
AND, you will believe that what you re taught, particularly as a young child, is right.

SO: If a person is born in Israel, is a Jew for his life. Does his/her best to be a good Jew, but does not believe Jesus is the Son of God, does he or she goes to Hell?

That would have to come from a small minded God. God's mind isn't even something I can begin to comprehend. But surely such an intelligence would not blame a person for the culture/family they are born into.

You are a Chirstian and you believe your way is right. They believe their way is right. Get it?

Another thing is this: Jesus spoke of the narrow path. I believe that narrow path is encompassed in his Teachings and hangs on his two greatest commandments which say:
1) Love God with all your heart and soul
2) Love your Neighbor as yourself (He meant all of them) ... ALL. Jesus loved ALL. '

I think the narrow path to eternal life is to follow these Commandments.

Two things:
1) Jesus spoke in Parables, and in Aramaic of which we have less than 200 words!

2) Nothing of what He said was written down for at least 30 to 50 years AFTER his death. So people are working with memories.

My point:
We dont have his exact words.
We do have a message of inclusion (love thy neighbor ... all of them) And of love.

I think this is the narrow gate. Remember what He said on the Cross: "Father forgive them, they know not what they do".
This means that He, who said forgive 77 x 7 (which means endlessly) ... cannot /will not send good people to Hell.

Not just my opinion. But I think God will be fair.
That's it. Maybe one person will agree. Maybe no one will. I dont think that being inclusive will send me to Hell.

My love and blessings to all of you.
Ann Marie
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
If God can forgive Paul, Hitler (if this is the case), or the multitude of people in prison, He can forgive RBG. She may be like the guy who believed at the crucifixion.

One sinner is not better/worse than another sinner; we are all sinners.
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Her last wish was not to be replaced by a nominee of President Trump. She did not believe in Jesus, the crucifixion or His Resurrection otherwise her last wish would have been to be forgiven in Jesus’ Name.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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Her last wish was not to be replaced by a nominee of President Trump.
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We do not know anything about her last wishes as she passed away. There are plenty of Christian Democrats who believe we should not select a judge until the election is over. If you remember, Republicans wanted the same the last election.
 
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