Calvinism and Context?
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I do not take exception, with the point you are trying to make.... the problem is, you have the CART before the Horse. You deny faith is the gift of God and you make "human" faith equal to God given faith. Of course the two had "faith", it was given to them by God and this not human faith only.
So we see that bias can indeed play a critical part in an interpretation and yours is beginning to show. Scripture teaches that all things go in a circular direction. From God to man and returns to God. It does not travel from man to God and returns to man. This violation, in your understanding, skews your so called spiritual insight. If I be wrong, then let Christ be True.
So we see that bias can indeed play a critical part in an interpretation and yours is beginning to show. Scripture teaches that all things go in a circular direction. From God to man and returns to God. It does not travel from man to God and returns to man. This violation, in your understanding, skews your so called spiritual insight. If I be wrong, then let Christ be True.
I am good with that!! 
Believe what you like....when I was saved,I was high for yrs,I also had a vision from God,a personal one,it is about to come to pass,I had that vision 28 yrs ago...he placed it in my heart....my head couldn't believe it...but he placed it in my heart....and brought me to the place that I am at today...by believing that vision...........once again God brought me to that place of belief.
Amen...The gospel gives us hope for the lost. We know that all have a chance. Whosoever believes in him shall be saved. He does not have respect of persons.
It would be terrible to think that our loved ones, or anyone for that matter, could not be saved for no other reason than God did not want them and wasn't even going to give them a chance. But thank God that is not the case.
It would be terrible to think that our loved ones, or anyone for that matter, could not be saved for no other reason than God did not want them and wasn't even going to give them a chance. But thank God that is not the case.
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There's a difference between preparing the reader stylistically, and preparing the way as John he Baptist did.
If you truly don't see Elihu's posturing and statements about himself as troubling then there's no reason for you to find fault with him.
Yet as I've repeatedly stated, and you didn't once address, the structuring of the poem and the manner in which the 3 friends accuse Job serve as a model of an ANE trial with Job's declaration at the end requiring that only the aggrieved could stand in defense/accusation meaning it was purely God's place to answer. Yet Elihu steps in full of anger, a trait that the cultural setting would have primed the audience to view as a negative character, and levels Job.
We cannot take the silence as either commendation nor reprimand, it is simply silence. If you truly see no issues with Elihu and see everything he stated as positive I see no reason to dissuade you, though I don't think you're getting a full understanding of the poem without such a recognition.
If you truly don't see Elihu's posturing and statements about himself as troubling then there's no reason for you to find fault with him.
Yet as I've repeatedly stated, and you didn't once address, the structuring of the poem and the manner in which the 3 friends accuse Job serve as a model of an ANE trial with Job's declaration at the end requiring that only the aggrieved could stand in defense/accusation meaning it was purely God's place to answer. Yet Elihu steps in full of anger, a trait that the cultural setting would have primed the audience to view as a negative character, and levels Job.
We cannot take the silence as either commendation nor reprimand, it is simply silence. If you truly see no issues with Elihu and see everything he stated as positive I see no reason to dissuade you, though I don't think you're getting a full understanding of the poem without such a recognition.
Where have I denied that faith is a gift from God? Do you not know that a man can have nothing unless it come from God? So, then, how can you distinguish between "human" faith and faith from God, if everything comes from God?
It seems to me you're making distinctions for the sake of doctrine that neither accord with Scripture nor with common sense when you create a category of "human faith." If it is faith, it comes from God in every measure.
It seems to me you're making distinctions for the sake of doctrine that neither accord with Scripture nor with common sense when you create a category of "human faith." If it is faith, it comes from God in every measure.
Believing God..and his vision will come to pass...I believed in my heart......but my head couldn’t........so he brought me to that place of belief in my head that it will come to pass.....I put my full trust in him and handed it over to him....rested in him.....I 100% believe in my head now....because he brought me to believe his vision for my life.
i think you need to stop assuming he's evil and looking for fault, particularly since nothing whatsoever in the text indicates that he is at fault, and look objectively at what's actually written.
a what?
if it was evil for him to speak then everyone in the narrative is evil for not rebuking him: including God.
so far you've made a half dozen accusations against him, none of which hold water, and they were all shot down by the scripture.
the only thing you're clinging to now is 'well he spoke out of turn therefore nothing he says can be right' -- that's not only a non-sequitur but it's not holding water as a premise either, because he tells all 4 of them, answer me if you can - you must choose, tell me, speak up, i'm only speaking because you supposedly wise men have failed and i am full of righteous wrath because i perceive disrespect against my God ((his name means "He is my God")). and not one of them does reprimand him, and neither does God. God says the same things Elihu says -- look at the creation, do you not understand how great God is? who are you to talk back to Him and complain when you experience hardship; you should be praising Him -- what is evil about that message?
if a man speaks out of place in court the judge reprimands him, or the judge is unjust, having no control over his court.
God does not reprimand Elihu. God puts 5 chapters of Elihu's words into God's Word. God doesn't let Satan speak in Genesis 3.
you need to deal with that.
a what?
if it was evil for him to speak then everyone in the narrative is evil for not rebuking him: including God.
so far you've made a half dozen accusations against him, none of which hold water, and they were all shot down by the scripture.
the only thing you're clinging to now is 'well he spoke out of turn therefore nothing he says can be right' -- that's not only a non-sequitur but it's not holding water as a premise either, because he tells all 4 of them, answer me if you can - you must choose, tell me, speak up, i'm only speaking because you supposedly wise men have failed and i am full of righteous wrath because i perceive disrespect against my God ((his name means "He is my God")). and not one of them does reprimand him, and neither does God. God says the same things Elihu says -- look at the creation, do you not understand how great God is? who are you to talk back to Him and complain when you experience hardship; you should be praising Him -- what is evil about that message?
if a man speaks out of place in court the judge reprimands him, or the judge is unjust, having no control over his court.
God does not reprimand Elihu. God puts 5 chapters of Elihu's words into God's Word. God doesn't let Satan speak in Genesis 3.
you need to deal with that.
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