Calvinism and Context?

[Just_Jo]

You see @EleventhHour ,I BELIEVE in that tiny word IF,you don't.

There are many conditions in God's word just as any contract.

IF He be lifted up,IF we neglect so great a salvation,IF you believe and repent ect.ect.

I know where you stand as well as you do me.
There will be no discussing,debating ect.

When a person put his hand to the plow ( word,walk),he must keep straight forward for IF he looks back..........

 

[awelight]

WOW all wrong.

YOUR doctrine debases God... plain and simple

Easy to say but prove it from Scripture.

 

[dcontroversal]

fortunately for us, the Bible is pretty explicit as to why he is angry. ch. 32 vv. 1-5 or 6.

do you find fault in what is given as his indignation?
is it righteous or is it evil?

I love the book of Job and personally believe there is an underlying deeper reason for the book than the obvious.....combined with the temptation of Jesus, a few verses in Jeremiah about Jeremiah, some statements in the Psalms and a few other snippets, IMV give us a massive hint as to why this massive expiriment under the sun for humanity......but that is a different topic all together.....and one that takes decades of study to see or grasp.

 

[Bbrdrd]

The funny thing about Job....God rebukes Job, all three of Job's older friends as wrong and the only one he does not rebuke is the young whipper snapper that held his tongue until the end and then spoke after the 4 (wiser) old men .....

When the Bible is silent on something, the only thing we can conclude is that it is silent. To hold that silence is a positive value judgment puts it in agreement with things like Jephthah's vow.

 

[EleventhHour]

You see @EleventhHour ,I BELIEVE in that tiny word IF,you don't.

There are many conditions in God's word just as any contract.

IF He be lifted up,IF we neglect so great a salvation,IF you believe and repent ect.ect.

I know where you stand as well as you do me.
There will be no discussing,debating ect.

When a person put his hand to the plow ( word,walk),he must keep straight forward for IF he looks back..........

Just as I thought... well at LEAST you came clean.

 

[Bbrdrd]

if we accept your extra-Biblical narrative, then neither of Job's 3 friends have a place to speak either - so they should all 4 be rebuked by God.

Eliphaz, Bildad & Zophar are rebuked by Job, by Elihu and by God. Elihu is not rebuked by anyone in the scripture. that is significant.

the "trial" takes place in heaven in chapter 1. God is not on trial before men. that's one of Elihu & God's points. men don't have place to demand an account of God -- and that's the relevance to the thread.

No, Job is on trial with the friends bringing accusations of secret sin. In Job 27 Job takes an oath of innocence which settles the matter unless God Himself has a charge to bring. So Elihu's speaking is continuing the charge of Job having sin and needing to be justified, as well as Elihu "defending" God. Elihu's anger may be taken as righteous indignation, or it could be taken as the three friends being unable to "convict" Job and being satisfied with Job's oath.

 

[posthuman]

That's fine, as I said earlier if you don't see it you don't see it.

IOW you can't justify your position, and you can't answer Elihu's questions, but you'd like to save face.

ok sure.
i'll quit confronting you over your bad doctrine on this point.

 

[dcontroversal]

You see @EleventhHour ,I BELIEVE in that tiny word IF,you don't.

There are many conditions in God's word just as any contract.

IF He be lifted up,IF we neglect so great a salvation,IF you believe and repent ect.ect.

I know where you stand as well as you do me.
There will be no discussing,debating ect.

When a person put his hand to the plow ( word,walk),he must keep straight forward for IF he looks back..........

Yep.....and we believe in words as well, like.....

Eternal life
Everlasting life
Lose nothing
Never leave
Never forsake
Irrevocable
Sealed unto the day of redemption
Kept By the power of God
Will finish it
Will complete it
In my hand
In my Father's hand
Justified eternally
Sanctified eternally

and above all.....

Whatsoever God does, it is EVERLASTING.......

Lastly.........the biggest word rejected by all salvation losers, self salvation maintainers, self salvation keepers, Pharisees, cults, false religions and everyone that peddles error.....

CONTEXT!

 

[dcontroversal]

if we accept your extra-Biblical narrative, then neither of Job's 3 friends have a place to speak either - so they should all 4 be rebuked by God.

Eliphaz, Bildad & Zophar are rebuked by Job, by Elihu and by God. Elihu is not rebuked by anyone in the scripture. that is significant.

the "trial" takes place in heaven in chapter 1. God is not on trial before men. that's one of Elihu & God's points. men don't have place to demand an account of God -- and that's the relevance to the thread.

Amen.....one of the biggest points of Job.....it is God that justifies, not men......

 

[dcontroversal]

Just as I thought... well at LEAST you came clean.

HAHHAHAAHHA I just got the play on LEAST..........hilarious....and by George I think you nailed it!

 

[cv5]

I could explain the difference between the natural mans "faith" and the "gift of faith", which is supernatural but what would be the point. You write much but little is of Scripture teachings. You think you know much but most is foolishness before God. You are likened to this person: 2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. I know this sounds harsh on my part but sooner or later it has to be said.

Even a learned person, should be able to distinguish between the things we obtain in our natural birth and the things needed to equip one as a believer.

Amen brother.

An example of natural man's faith is when he turns on the faucet and confidently expects water to come out, and not Jack Daniels. Or when he goes into the hospital for an appendectomy, and is assured that the doctor won't give him a lobotomy.

Supernatural faith is altogether and entirely different. For reasons that I need not elaborate upon for reasons I hope are obvious.

A discerning mind should be able to read the Bible and make a distinction between these two on-the-fly. Comfortably. Yet the tiring debates carry on unabated. Much of it deeply concerning as I see it.

 

[EleventhHour]

HAHHAHAAHHA I just got the play on LEAST..........hilarious....and by George I think you nailed it!

I think this is round five maybe... they always give it away somewhere on CC.. along with the punctuation style ... LOL

 

[cv5]

Well let's see...... maybe because every time a discussion about Scripture is truly underway, attempts through human logic and understanding try to take precedence over a true genuine discussion. All of us have seen the posts, coming from you and others, who use every means at their disposal to try and shut up the ones who are honoring God and debasing man. If you are any else was truly interested in the Truth, you would be curious as to why this or that Doctrine, has been developed. The truth is, you don't like it because it debases man and you can't stand having your own foolish pride attacked. You say nothing that honors God and gives Him the Glory. Instead you attempt to elevate creation to the level of the Creator. You claim a love of God but defend man's rights at every turn. You can't have it both ways. Your thinking is circular but it travels in the wrong direction.

As I said earlier, everything starts from God, goes to man, returns to God. It does not start from man, goes to God and returns to man. If you don't see the truth in this, then you have not God. This is the teaching from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21

Brilliant and insightful post my friend. Well spoken and amen.

 

[dcontroversal]

Ooooooooooo spooky......

Now we have the followers of Calvin using......wait foooo it....

Supernatural faith......

Next it will be Superdupernatural Faith.....

Jesus must have failed to see the memo by Calvin and his followers.....

If a man have (Supernatural) faith the size of a mustard seed......

You know....as special as Calvinists are, I am surprised they are not raising the dead, curing the blind, healing the sick and walking on water....seeing how they have SUPERNATURAL FAITH.

 

[dcontroversal]

Can anyone show me a verse with the words SUPERNATURAL FAITH in it?

 

[EleventhHour]

Ooooooooooo spooky......

Now we have the followers of Calvin using......wait foooo it....

Supernatural faith......

Next it will be Superdupernatural Faith.....

Jesus must have failed to see the memo by Calvin and his followers.....

If a man have (Supernatural) faith the size of a mustard seed......

You know....as special as Calvinists are, I am surprised they are not raising the dead, curing the blind, healing the sick and walking on water....seeing how they have SUPERNATURAL FAITH.

I knew there was a reason to login a while ago ............. this is hilarious!!
Best laugh all week!!

 

[awelight]

I love the book of Job and personally believe there is an underlying deeper reason for the book than the obvious.....combined with the temptation of Jesus, a few verses in Jeremiah about Jeremiah, some statements in the Psalms and a few other snippets, IMV give us a massive hint as to why this massive expiriment under the sun for humanity......but that is a different topic all together.....and one that takes decades of study to see or grasp.

Christ was never TEMPTED.

The greek word: εκπειρασεις can mean "to test, to try and to tempt" The translators should have never used the English word "tempt or tempted" when it comes down to God or Jesus Christ. There is nothing "temptable" in God or Jesus Christ's nature.

Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Horrible translation, should have been, "Thou shalt not test the Lord thy God".
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? Again, should have been, "....Why test ye me, ye hypocrites?"
Act 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. Again, should have been "to try". You can't tempt the Spirit.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. Again, Christ was not tempted, he was tested, so He can help those that are undergoing trials.

This is just a few examples. It is okay, to use tempted in areas about Satan or man But never God. God cannot be tempted nor does he tempt any man. If Christ had a Peccable nature, one that could be tempted, then He would have been disqualified as the "Lamb of God" and His sacrifice would not have been accepted by the Father. Because that "Lamb" would indeed have a spot and blemish.

Once again, this shows that some should still be listening and learning and not trying to teach.

 

[49]

Amother thread going tto the dogs.
Filled with insults, belittling and outright attacks.

Bummer.

So true, and it truly is a shame. Had been away from this site for years because of the vitriol and laughing at/shaming of others that don't believe the same as some, and sad to see that some things never change. Do not understand why it is so hard to disagree without being disagreeable. Brothers and Sisters in Christ slamming others as such, doubting their Salvation, ridiculing others, and again the vitriol...disgusting and shameful.

Along with that, there are the individuals that just simply do not like others, and seemingly follow to see where they are, and what they post. They then make it a point to continue their beef with them by tearing those posts down, even if it's something as silly as the poster's grammar, or lack thereof. Why??

Could go on and on, but what's the point? Would make me no different, and am not going to let that happen.

Jesus said to love...don't see much of that here.

And with that, not sure if I'll be back.

God bless, and take care.

 

[EleventhHour]

Amen brother.

An example of natural man's faith is when he turns on the faucet and confidently expects water to come out, and not Jack Daniels. Or when he goes into the hospital for an appendectomy, and is assured that the doctor won't give him a lobotomy.

Supernatural faith is altogether and entirely different. For reasons that I need not elaborate upon for reasons I hope are obvious.

A discerning mind should be able to read the Bible and make a distinction between these two on-the-fly. Comfortably. Yet the tiring debates carry on unabated. Much of it deeply concerning as I see it.

Is there no end to the eisegesis employed by people who adhere to the tenets of TULIP!!

 

[Bbrdrd]

IOW you can't justify your position, and you can't answer Elihu's questions, but you'd like to save face.

ok sure.
i'll quit confronting you over your bad doctrine on this point.

See it how you wish, but it's rather tiresome explaining the same argument over and over again and having periphery thrown up without addressing the central point.