Calvinism and Context?

[jackrosie]

This is contradictory by the way.
If He chooses then He must bring by force...unless you can allow Him to fail?

That is your only understanding of it.

He chooses,he draws and he saves...our Father knows his children before they were even born....and His Children recognises his voice.

 

[jackrosie]

1 John 2:27

But the anointing that you recieved from him abides in you,and you have no need that anyone should teach you.
But as his anointing teaches you about everything,and is true,and is no lie-just as it has taught you,abide in him.

 

[EleventhHour]

That's all well and good. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
What I was looking for and did not receive (despite my arduous efforts) were sound rebuttals underpinned by quotes from the Bible. Philosophical quackery I can find my barbershop.

Perhaps you answer whether Christ’s human will was predestined to obey the Father, or whether His human will remained exempt from the predestination applied to the rest of the human race?

 

[cv5]

Syllogism. The Calvinists hermanutic. " Mary is Jesus,s mother . Jesus is God . Therefore Mary is the mother of God . "
This is the error of viewing the bible this way . Calvinism is built on deductive method. Which is why scripture is not their authority but ' philosophy ' . The bible says God is pleased to save those that believe, not cause belief in those he saves. (1 Cor. 1:21; Rom. 10:9-10)

I agree. Deductive reasoning when it comes to Biblical truth can be very dangerous.
Deductive reasoning has its place but a deft touch is required when building doctrine.
That's why I am not a hard boiled Calvinist. I will (God willing) always refer back to the Bible and let it speak.

But let's be honest here almost every formulation of alternative doctrines have some kind of deductive reasoning behind it. Without it there wouldn't be any creeds or doctrinal statements in existence.

 

[jackrosie]

1 Peter 2:9

But you are a chosen race,a royal priesthood,a holy nation,a people for his own possession.
As a result,you can show other’s the goodness of God,for he called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.

My words...his wonderful light is truly amazing.

 

[EleventhHour]

Exactly.....key phrase--> the OBJECT OF OUR FAITH

If Calvinism is true one would think that Christ would never have expressed doubt about finding faith on earth at his return.

Luke 18:8 . . . . However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?"

 

[Duskey]

Last time I checked Christ died for His enemies. Which is a bit more than "pity and mercy."

Seems you're making God's love like the tax collectors, only loving those who love Him.

Outstanding analysis, and your second sentence is calvinism in a nutshell, but don’t forget, God forces such people to love Him.

 

[cv5]

Syllogism. The Calvinists hermanutic. " Mary is Jesus,s mother . Jesus is God . Therefore Mary is the mother of God . "
This is the error of viewing the bible this way . Calvinism is built on deductive method. Which is why scripture is not their authority but ' philosophy ' . The bible says God is pleased to save those that believe, not cause belief in those he saves. (1 Cor. 1:21; Rom. 10:9-10)

BTW, I have yet to see anyone opposed to the reformed position describe/refute the term "election" in any kind of thoroughly satisfactory way. I would be willing to limit the term as it is utilized/applied by Paul.

You must understand that Paul actually (and purposefully I might add) used the terms
"elect/election" to build doctrine from scratch. This doctrine was given to Paul by revelation of Jesus Christ Himself, as part of the revealing of the mystery of the church to him.

So we don't need to go to Calvin (or anyone else) for that. Which makes the doctrine of election very solid safe and secure in terms of accurate biblical truth and rightly dividing the Bible.

 

[jackrosie]

Outstanding analysis, and your second sentence is calvinism in a nutshell, but don’t forget, God forces such people to love Him.

A child of God automatically loves their Father,also instant recognition of the Holy Spirit when we are born again.
How does God force us to love him?

Did Adam and Eve love God before the fall?

 

[cv5]

Exactly.....key phrase--> the OBJECT OF OUR FAITH

Correction:

-Originator of our faith
-Source of our faith
-Object of our faith

But hey! One out of three (33%) ain't bad!
How were your grades at that Bible college that you attended?

 

[Duskey]

Dear @jackrosie ,
_______I'm assuming jack is your flag of country and your christian name maybe Rosalyn.
______ Forgive me for assumptions,however my heart feels much compassion for you by reading your posts.
I can tell your life has had many difficult issues that have shaped you.
_______I think you are very zealous for what you are believing in and that is good BUT only the Spirit can teach us and take us where God wants us to be
______I hate that Jesus' love is rarely shone on this forum !
_______I pray that the Spirit will establish you in the WAY of the word and His TRUTH truly set you free.
_____Please don't be as others,you have no need to respond to antagonism nor cruelty. You are a better person than that!
_____Find threads of love,they are here also. Where people allow you to breath and share.
_____ You and @Rosemaryx have deeply touched me in what you both share here. Our struggles are real for we war against one that wants to make us God's enemy.
You both have been BRAVE to share honesty and transparency with how you struggle. I am praying for this site to be filled with compassion.Many people are just reading,not joining nor responding and we must be real and show His love through us!

_____ I mean no offence to either of you nor anyone.

There are compassionate hearts here,@1ofthem ,@SoulWeaver ,@seoulsearch @Magenta ,many who have struggles that bear love.
There are ladies forums,singles forum ect where the heat or as you see same letters hate are kept under the blood .


Much love!

A snooze from you, JR? 😞
Always embrace heartfelt advice. ❤️
And don’t be giving me any snoozes.

 

[jackrosie]

Correction:

-Originator of our faith
-Source of our faith
-Object of our faith

Amen!

 

[Duskey]

A child of God automatically loves their Father,also instant recognition of the Holy Spirit when we are born again.
How does God force us to love him?

Did Adam and Eve love God before the fall?

With respect, JR, you have been stating for quite some time that God chose you and you had no say in the matter. That includes your feelings of love you have for God.

 

[EleventhHour]

Correction:

-Originator of our faith
-Source of our faith
-Object of our faith

But hey! One out of three (33%) ain't bad!
How were your grades at that Bible college that you attended?

I have looked at both sides of this ......as to saving faith and its origin... no matter which side of that discussion ....

one thing for sure God DOES NOT GIVE FAITH to some and deny others when HE could Give to ALL!!!

 

[jackrosie]

A snooze from you, JR? 😞
Always embrace heartfelt advice. ❤️
And don’t be giving me any snoozes.

😂😂😂 yep a zzzz,😂😂.....only because a few weeks ago she posted a meme of a deranged head😂😂..then proceeded to tell everyone I had mental problems....hence the zzzz it should have been a 😡😡....

🥴🥴

 

[jackrosie]

With respect, JR, you have been stating for quite some time that God chose you and you had no say in the matter. That includes your feelings of love you have for God.

You didn’t answer my question,you turned it around..so I guess that’s your answer.🥴

What does testifying to our Spirit mean?
What happens when God testifies to our Spirit that we are his child?

 

[Duskey]

😂😂😂 yep a zzzz,😂😂.....only because a few weeks ago she posted a meme of a deranged head😂😂..then proceeded to tell everyone I had mental problems....hence the zzzz it should have been a 😡😡....

🥴🥴

Point well taken 😊

 

[Duskey]

You didn’t answer my question,you turned it around..so I guess that’s your answer.🥴

What does testifying to our Spirit mean?
What happens when God testifies to our Spirit that we are his child?

I don’t understand what you mean by testifying to our Spirit. Please answer it for me so I may gain some understanding.

 

[cv5]

I have looked at both sides of this ......as to saving faith and its origin... no matter which side of that discussion ....

one thing for sure God DOES NOT GIVE FAITH to some and deny others when HE could Give to ALL!!!

Wonderful. Two questions:
-Why did God not "give" "enough" faith to those who are condemned to hell?
-Does God CONTINUE to love those who are in hell? With endless eternal love?

 

[jackrosie]

I don’t understand what you mean by testifying to our Spirit. Please answer it for me so I may gain some understanding.

When God testified to my spirit that I was his child,their is instant recognition in my spirit that he is my Father,therefore instant love...I fell in Love with God there and then.

His love penetrate deep into my soul.