Today’s church’s misunderstandings

[Blue_Of_Lake]

ROMANS 14

1 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.
2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.
3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.
4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Doctrinal truth is most important to our "pressing on to maturity" in the faith.
Let the Holy 'Spirit of truth deal with the immature and matters of conscience that do not offend the Lord.
Worship EVERY day and then you won't be so conflicted over which day.

Some eat Milk, Vegetables ( but not any Meat). we are to eat Meat of those of us who have Found it and not judge those Not eating the Weightier things of God and Spirit.

Those who eat Only Milk, Vegetables often judge those who eat Meat and have left Milk, Vegetables behind and now Understand things Differently. the Ones eating Vegetables (of Spirit) are to be looked on with Compassion and Understanding, BUT -- Told/taught that there is More that they can Learn. many do not Know This, they were Not Taught This, it is Not Understood or Taught so much or Clearly i guess by Churches or else More People Would Know.

The Original Christians would have Known all about This and Made It Known in one Fashion or Another but we are very Massively Separated from our Roots in Christianity in this Day and Time. it has been Lost to History and much Time.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

This tulip does not need watering....(as in people trying to water down my posts)

I do not preach to the dead, toss pearls to swine, or deal with trolls

 

[soggykitten]

I'm sorry you did not reconcile the comment you made with scripture that is why I asked you. You have deflected my question to you.

"You think you didn't accuse a Christian of worshiping a dead Christ because you did not say specifically those words, you worship a dead Christ. "

What a completely false statement. I did not accuse anyone anything no matter what you think you have seen on the net LOL. I did not say those words at all. Thank you, we can stop this dialog.


God bless

I'd be happy to stop. You refuse to acknowledge what I've said, and I did not deflect anything, you just don't like the answer, therefore there is no discussion possible. What you don't realize is implying the message is the same as stating the message. And what I've seen on the net? Was an example of what I observed of your post,using your verbiage.
I'll be clear now. What I've seen you write in your post to the member, is what I was referring to through the implication regarding what I've read on the net. This site is on the net.
Do you see now how someone can imply a direct statement that it be inferred by the reader without stating directly what they wish the reader to read precisely?
I was using your method to address you.


God bless you as well.

 

[lenna]

now, to be fair, she does claim to follow hebrew roots, but her beliefs mirror their beliefs , so there is that...

well she does or she doesn't...she can claim or disclaim or say nothing I guess

other people have stated they keep the Sabbath but they don't say the things she does

again, it's the judging and then the denial of doing it and trying to say others are doing it, that I refer to

 

[lenna]

Demons are attracted to the church, undermining it is undermining the Lord. They have done a mighty work, they will still fail in the end.

this line of bliks addressed to those that do not follow her Sabbath teaching is a particular zinger

demons are attracted to you and your church if you worship on Sunday

so then to state it's really not a major thing, as she did to me some posts back, is pretty ludicrous. she cannot make the anti New Testament church sentiments that she does and come back and say 'oh it's nothing'

you cannot attack that way and then act surprised when people point out scripture after scripture that show she is wrong in her ideas

she tries to say they are just how she worships but the language above and in the rest of that post, indicates she views the church or body of Christ that worships on Sunday, as demonic so good to know, Blik, what you really think

apparently, it is not a big nothing after all

 

[Jackson123]

The church today says that the Sabbath was cancelled. As proof they tell of Mary’s discovery of the risen Christ on Sunday. It doesn’t make sense that the time of a discovery should change what God tells us He created on the seventh day, or that a time of discovering something establishes when it happened, but that is the way they think.

The Lord gave us a new covenant, one we are told makes the old covenant obsolete. The church tells us that God knew he make a mistake so he cancelled the old covenant. I guess they think that God is like them and they know they make mistakes so they say so does the Lord. As if the Lord was just another human.

The church goes on and on about the mistakes the Lord has made. They say the sacrificial system didn’t work at all for atonement of sin even though scripture tells us it did. When the blood of cattle was used to feed the Lord, like pagans fed idols and not as a symbol of Christ, God hated it so the church tells us it was a mistake of the Lord to establish it.

The church tells us OT scripture can be in error. OT scripture tells us that God guides us to praise and celebrate His plan of salvation for us with feasts for all generations. The church tells us that is an error, that the feasts are to be treated the same way cutting the foreskin is treated.

Scripture tells us to celebrate Christ with Passover, the church says God cancelled that. They made up a new way to do it and named it using pagan gods to inspire them to make up a name for this replacement.

Demons are attracted to the church, undermining it is undermining the Lord. They have done a mighty work, they will still fail in the end.

What day is sabbath?
Saturday in America is Sunday in Indonesia.

Let have a rest in Jesus every day

Matt 11

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”


Only in Jesus we have real rest. We may rest in the sense of not work on Saturday, but our mind and worry not rest till we come to Jesus.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The church today says that the Sabbath was cancelled. As proof they tell of Mary’s discovery of the risen Christ on Sunday. It doesn’t make sense that the time of a discovery should change what God tells us He created on the seventh day, or that a time of discovering something establishes when it happened, but that is the way they think.

You are so utterly confused about this matter that no amount of clarification will help. As to things making "sense" you seem to forget that divine logic is totally different from human logic.

If God (Christ) rested on the 7th day from all His CREATIVE work, it logically follows (according to divine logic) that Christ would rest from all His REDEMPTIVE work on the Sabbath which followed His crucifixion. Which means that He arose on the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (the eighth day) signifying a New Creation. Christ's resurrection involved the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and it was a miraculous work of God.

Mary has nothing to do with this. Christ was already gone from His tomb between midnight and 6 a.m. (and the women probably went to the tomb around 4 - 5 a.m.)

 

[Blik]

I guess the verses that were provided: Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1, Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:9–20 and John 20:19

do not matter because you know better LOL.

If you follow my posts you know that scripture matters to me more than earthly life itself, your sarcasm is not appreciated.

If you followed my posts you would also know I do not see any scripture telling us when Christ arose at a certain time, only when it was discovered he rose. You are assuming and adding to scripture that Christ rose on Sunday.

You would also know, if you read my posts, that the only reason I post about this is the I do think it matters that we take scripture seriously and not add to it or take from it, as adding that Christ rose on a certain day instead of going by scripture that it was discovered he rose on a certain day.

 

[Blik]

What day is sabbath?
Saturday in America is Sunday in Indonesia.

Let have a rest in Jesus every day

Matt 11

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”


Only in Jesus we have real rest. We may rest in the sense of not work on Saturday, but our mind and worry not rest till we come to Jesus.

I wonder why the day Christ rose is considered so serious, almost of deadly, importance. What is important is faith in the word of God as it is written, not adding or taking away from it.

 

[Blue_Of_Lake]

#323

 

[Nehemiah6]

I wonder why the day Christ rose is considered so serious, almost of deadly, importance.

1 CORINTHIANS 15: THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

If the resurrection of Christ is of critical importance, it follows that the day of His resurrection is equally of critical importance (the day of the Feast of First Fruits). That is why the Holy Spirit was poured down from Heaven on the day of Pentecost* -- which feast is also on the first day of the week.

And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat [MEAL] offering unto the LORD. (Lev 23:15,16).

*πεντηκοστή, πεντηκοστῆς, ἡ (namely, ἡμέρα; feminine of πεντηκοστός fiftieth) (from Plato down.), Pentecost (properly, the fiftieth day after the Passover).

 

[Jackson123]

I wonder why the day Christ rose is considered so serious, almost of deadly, importance. What is important is faith in the word of God as it is written, not adding or taking away from it.

No add or taking away the word of God.
It was animal sacrifice, after Jesus die, no longer need. Jesus die for that reason.

Sabbath or rest, after Jesus die, every body that come to Him have a rest.

Not add or taking away but has been fulfilled.
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[Blik]

1 CORINTHIANS 15: THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

If the resurrection of Christ is of critical importance, it follows that the day of His resurrection is equally of critical importance (the day of the Feast of First Fruits). That is why the Holy Spirit was poured down from Heaven on the day of Pentecost* -- which feast is also on the first day of the week.

And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat [MEAL] offering unto the LORD. (Lev 23:15,16).

*πεντηκοστή, πεντηκοστῆς, ἡ (namely, ἡμέρα; feminine of πεντηκοστός fiftieth) (from Plato down.), Pentecost (properly, the fiftieth day after the Passover).

If it is so important, why are we saying the day Christ's body was found to be gone from the grave is the day He rose? I should think if it was important we would not add that the day it was found was the day, we say scripture tells us, that He rose. We would want to hear what day He actually rose. The only clue we have to that is in the prophecy of his rising given in the feasts. They prophecy that is would rise on Saturday, and every prophecy has been right on unless man is right that scripture tells us he rose on Sunday.

It may be important, but I don't think that it should be the cause of showing lack of love, of judgments of others, and all the hallaballoo I read about it.

If you read postings for and against Saturday Sabbath, do check the judgments of others in the post. Usually those who believe God gave Sunday as Sabbath are full of personal judgments they imagine of others who do not think of scripture as they do.

 

[lenna]

I wonder why the day Christ rose is considered so serious, almost of deadly, importance. What is important is faith in the word of God as it is written, not adding or taking away from it.

probably the most ironic thing I will read today

If you read postings for and against Saturday Sabbath, do check the judgments of others in the post. Usually those who believe God gave Sunday as Sabbath are full of personal judgments they imagine of others who do not think of scripture as they do.

actually what people are against is you telling them the devil is attracted to them because they attend church on Sunday

do you even remember the things you accuse others of? you might be wise to refrain your own personal interpretations that are not in keeping with the actual Bible

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well many believe and teach a doctrine of sinful perfection.
There are those who teach that ceasing from sin in this life is an impossibility, contrary to the full word of God.

They reject faith in God to do the real work of salvation in their lives, teaching an easy believing as a false Gospel.
They end up being deceived and calling Him Lord Lord and honoring Him with their lips but having hearts still burdened with sin and far away from God because they believe such a lie. The result is they are not among those who purify themselves just as he is pure and show that their hope is not in God through Christ by the absence of that work of Faith.

Let us call to every believer to live a life after Christ and walk according to the Spirit!
Let us purify ourselves as ones who hope is in Him!

Let us pray search me and know me oh God and know (show) my heart, test me and know (show) my anxious thoughts and see (expose) if any hurtful way (sin) in me and lead me in your everlasting way.
We purify ourselves in bringing our sinful motives of our hearts into the light to be exposed.
It is how we go about cleaning the inside of the cup so we might be clean outside as well.

Gods word says we do not have because we do not ask for it and we should expect nothing when asking without believing he can and will do it.
Let us approach the removal of sin with a willingness to suffer in order to live our lives pleasing to God and not continue to walk according to the flesh and die to the righteousness of His salvation that is laid hold of by our faith..

1 John 1:8. If we say we HAVE NO SIN we decieve ourselves and there IS NO TRUTH IN US

It is those who think sinless perfection can be achieved who are deceived my friend

 

[Blik]

probably the most ironic thing I will read today



actually what people are against is you telling them the devil is attracted to them because they attend church on Sunday

do you even remember the things you accuse others of? you might be wise to refrain your own personal interpretations that are not in keeping with the actual Bible

So perhaps you have the right to discuss me personally, and not scripture, but I don't think you have that right. Surely you know your accusations are false.

I assume I have the right to discuss ways of interpreting scripture just as you do, but I don't think you have the right to accuse falsely of to attack me personally.

If a vote was taken on whether your interpretation was correct or mine, you would win hands down. I can't even get people to consider my interpretation. I should think that would satisfy you without trying to personally shoot your daggers at me.

 

[lenna]

So perhaps you have the right to discuss me personally, and not scripture, but I don't think you have that right. Surely you know your accusations are false.

I assume I have the right to discuss ways of interpreting scripture just as you do, but I don't think you have the right to accuse falsely of to attack me personally.

If a vote was taken on whether your interpretation was correct or mine, you would win hands down. I can't even get people to consider my interpretation. I should think that would satisfy you without trying to personally shoot your daggers at me.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Hebrew Roots is not the gospel

no one has thrown daggers at you. telling people they attract demons because they go to church on Sunday, as you stated as is there for all to read, is more than a dagger. you owe many people an apology

 

[Blik]

1 John 1:8. If we say we HAVE NO SIN we decieve ourselves and there IS NO TRUTH IN US

It is those who think sinless perfection can be achieved who are deceived my friend

My posts are often accused of stating that sinless perfection can be achieved, and that is a false accusation of my posts, at least. I post in favor of obedience to the law and that the Lord asks us to repent. Other posters use that to accuse me of "perfection" even though there is no hint of perfection in those posts. Posters often object to my speaking of obedience as a post accusing them of something, even though people are not even hinted at, they only state that scripture tells us to obey.

Even one of this site's administrators has stated that I think I know better than scripture. When I defended myself he made the statement that he didn't believe me.

There seems to be a wave of disagreement to wanting to obey the law. When we speak of this there is always scripture given explaining we are not perfect. There seems to be a barrier between understanding the difference between wanting to obey and actually obeying. The fact that we can't has nothing to do with what we want to do.

 

[Blik]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Hebrew Roots is not the gospel

no one has thrown daggers at you. telling people they attract demons because they go to church on Sunday, as you stated as is there for all to read, is more than a dagger. you owe many people an apology

If I ever in any way did any of the awful things Lenna accuses me of, you certainly have my apologies.

I so hope people will read my posts and not think such evil of me, but consider and test my thoughts about scripture.

 

[Blik]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Hebrew Roots is not the gospel

no one has thrown daggers at you. telling people they attract demons because they go to church on Sunday, as you stated as is there for all to read, is more than a dagger. you owe many people an apology

As Christians we are each responsible for living in a way that is as pleasing to God as we are capable of. That means that we stand together, without attacking each other. I think it is Okay to discuss what we think scripture means, and within the church that needs to be without attacking and certainly not false accusations. Love is acceptance.

Administration of the site accused me of not believing scripture because I don't read scripture telling of the discovery of Christ arisen as telling us the exact time he rose. When I defended myself, it was met with and x. I don't think such things are working for the Lord. Whether these scripture tell of the time Christ rose or not is of so much less importance than knowing it is through Christ we are saved, but false accusations are not good to have in the church.