On the Day of Destruction

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Lucy-Pevensie

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Hahahahaha....your kidding me right?-) That’s like claiming the fall only affected Adam&Eve or the flood was only a localized event? Your not serious in your statement that the rapture (Which has not happened yet), is only for the folks who belonged to the church at Sardis. It is like saying the only lukewarm church attendees are, will and have been those written to at the time of the church in Laodicea. That makes absolutely no sense.
You're reading a lot into my comment and being very defensive. Have I hit a nerve?
I didn't say the resurrection will be confined to Sardis or anything even remotely close to touching on Adam & Eve.


I made a factual statement about the text of Revelation 3. No I'm not kidding.
Here is my comment.
That's only 1 church out of 7 being addressed there.
 

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You're reading a lot into my comment and being very defensive. Have I hit a nerve?
I didn't say the resurrection will be confined to Sardis or anything even remotely close to touching on Adam & Eve.


I made a factual statement about the text of Revelation 3. No I'm not kidding.
Here is my comment.
....and so as I said, your actually saying that because the letter was to they one church it does not apply to everyone else? So they will be raptured and the rest left behind? When did that happen then? Has history somehow skipped that moment’s note? Your totally twisting God’s word to think that is not a future event meant for all whom have the Holy Spirit indwelling them when the time comes. You refute that then?
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this thread is indirectly about Lordship salvation ultimately.
No; It is called 'The Day of Destruction'.
Which is the next prophesied event we can expect. It will be triggered by an attack upon Israel by the Islamic peoples. Psalms 83 describes it best.

Go to the Attack now: Elam, Aram and Kir!
The Lord is actually encouraging Iran and its allies to attack Israel. It’s a bit like Clint Eastwood saying: “C’mon; make my day”! [Elam & Media = Iran, Aram = Syria and Lebanon, Kir = Arabia.]

Isaiah 21:2-7 I see the future: The betrayer will betray and the spoiler will spoil. Advance Elam, up Media, to the attack! Do not hesitate, make your move! I am seized by pain, trembling in fear, horrified by what I hear, aghast by what I see. The leaders and generals sit down to eat and drink – Get up now! It’s time to prepare your weapons and post a lookout. He must be fully alert to warn us if he sees columns of mounted troops advancing.

Isaiah 22:5-6 For the Lord has ordained a Day of disaster, a Day of panic and cries for help in the valleys and mountains. Elam prepares the main weapon of its might, the armored troops of Aram are readied and Kir readies its defenses.

Isaiah 21:1 & 8-10 The lookout calls: it comes - A mighty blast sweeps up from the south, from a place of terror. A voice calls: ”fallen is the wicked land, her gods are shattered” My people are like threshed grain on the threshing floor. From the God of Israel, I have told you.

Isaiah 22:1-5 Tell me, what is amiss with you? Why have you climbed up onto the roof? Why do you panic and run out of your houses? Your city is in an uproar, those fallen have not been killed by the sword in battle. All your commanders have fled, the bravest soldiers have gone in all directions. That is why I said: leave Me to weep in misery. Do not console Me for the ruin of My people.

Isaiah 22:7-11 The Lord’s protection over Judah is removed and the Destroyer of the nations overruns them; their preparations and military might is of no avail, because they do not look to the One who made them, or have respect for Him who planned it all long ago.

Isaiah 22:12-14 On that Day, the Lord called for weeping and mourning, but instead there was joy and merrymaking, feasting and dancing. You say: ‘let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die”
Here are Words revealed by the Lord of Hosts - Your wickedness will never be wiped out, surely you will die for it
.
Ref REB, CJB. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.



A confederation of nations and entities will conspire to attack the State of Israel. Psalm 83:1-8 They prepare their weapons – ‘shafts tipped with fire’ - Psalm 7:13, their nuclear missiles and thousands of rockets. Jeremiah 49:35
But the commencement of their attack ‘calls forth the wrath of the Lord’ - Ezekiel 7:14. The Lord has ordained a Day of disaster, a mighty blast of thunder, earthquakes and fire. Isaiah 66:15-16, Jeremiah 25:30-38, Joel 1:15, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:10, Revelation 6:12-17

This mighty blast will come from the sun, Isaiah 30:25-28....the sun will shine 7 times its normal strength.....
Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, all in an instant punishment will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes and a great noise, with storms and flames of devouring fire, that will crumble your enemies into dust. This shocking 1 day sunstrike, will literally fufill the over 100 prophesies about it. The initial flash EMP, will kill many in the military, because it will cause all rockets, bombs, etc, to explode, on or under the ground. Deut. 32:22, Psalm 35:8 Also many will be killed in the cities by the earthquakes and fires. Then there is a 24 hour period between the initial light flash of this coronal mass ejection and the arrival of the main mass of superheated hydrogen plasma. Everyone is terrified, Jer. 6:24-26, Luke 21:26, but some will party and ‘eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die’. Ezekiel 12:19-20

The Lord’s protection over the Jewish State of Israel is removed, because they do not look to Him who made them, or have respect for how He helped them in the past. The Israelis refuse to acknowledge God’s Hand in their affairs or call for His help so they will be ‘as grain on the threshing floor’. Luke 3:17, Jeremiah 8:5-12, Jer. 11:15-16, Isaiah 4:3-4

The main force of the CME will be upon the Middle East, all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates will be virtually depopulated, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14, Romans 9:27

This will enable the true righteous Israelites to gather and settle in the holy Land and the rest of the end time prophesies will unfold, culminating at the end of the age with the Return of Jesus for His 1000 year reign on earth. Maranatha!
 

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No; It is called 'The Day of Destruction'.
Which is the next prophesied event we can expect. It will be triggered by an attack upon Israel by the Islamic peoples. Psalms 83 describes it best.

Go to the Attack now: Elam, Aram and Kir!
The Lord is actually encouraging Iran and its allies to attack Israel. It’s a bit like Clint Eastwood saying: “C’mon; make my day”! [Elam & Media = Iran, Aram = Syria and Lebanon, Kir = Arabia.]

Isaiah 21:2-7 I see the future: The betrayer will betray and the spoiler will spoil. Advance Elam, up Media, to the attack! Do not hesitate, make your move! I am seized by pain, trembling in fear, horrified by what I hear, aghast by what I see. The leaders and generals sit down to eat and drink – Get up now! It’s time to prepare your weapons and post a lookout. He must be fully alert to warn us if he sees columns of mounted troops advancing.

Isaiah 22:5-6 For the Lord has ordained a Day of disaster, a Day of panic and cries for help in the valleys and mountains. Elam prepares the main weapon of its might, the armored troops of Aram are readied and Kir readies its defenses.

Isaiah 21:1 & 8-10 The lookout calls: it comes - A mighty blast sweeps up from the south, from a place of terror. A voice calls: ”fallen is the wicked land, her gods are shattered” My people are like threshed grain on the threshing floor. From the God of Israel, I have told you.

Isaiah 22:1-5 Tell me, what is amiss with you? Why have you climbed up onto the roof? Why do you panic and run out of your houses? Your city is in an uproar, those fallen have not been killed by the sword in battle. All your commanders have fled, the bravest soldiers have gone in all directions. That is why I said: leave Me to weep in misery. Do not console Me for the ruin of My people.

Isaiah 22:7-11 The Lord’s protection over Judah is removed and the Destroyer of the nations overruns them; their preparations and military might is of no avail, because they do not look to the One who made them, or have respect for Him who planned it all long ago.

Isaiah 22:12-14 On that Day, the Lord called for weeping and mourning, but instead there was joy and merrymaking, feasting and dancing. You say: ‘let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die”
Here are Words revealed by the Lord of Hosts - Your wickedness will never be wiped out, surely you will die for it
.
Ref REB, CJB. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.



A confederation of nations and entities will conspire to attack the State of Israel. Psalm 83:1-8 They prepare their weapons – ‘shafts tipped with fire’ - Psalm 7:13, their nuclear missiles and thousands of rockets. Jeremiah 49:35
But the commencement of their attack ‘calls forth the wrath of the Lord’ - Ezekiel 7:14. The Lord has ordained a Day of disaster, a mighty blast of thunder, earthquakes and fire. Isaiah 66:15-16, Jeremiah 25:30-38, Joel 1:15, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:10, Revelation 6:12-17

This mighty blast will come from the sun, Isaiah 30:25-28....the sun will shine 7 times its normal strength.....
Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, all in an instant punishment will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes and a great noise, with storms and flames of devouring fire, that will crumble your enemies into dust. This shocking 1 day sunstrike, will literally fufill the over 100 prophesies about it. The initial flash EMP, will kill many in the military, because it will cause all rockets, bombs, etc, to explode, on or under the ground. Deut. 32:22, Psalm 35:8 Also many will be killed in the cities by the earthquakes and fires. Then there is a 24 hour period between the initial light flash of this coronal mass ejection and the arrival of the main mass of superheated hydrogen plasma. Everyone is terrified, Jer. 6:24-26, Luke 21:26, but some will party and ‘eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die’. Ezekiel 12:19-20

The Lord’s protection over the Jewish State of Israel is removed, because they do not look to Him who made them, or have respect for how He helped them in the past. The Israelis refuse to acknowledge God’s Hand in their affairs or call for His help so they will be ‘as grain on the threshing floor’. Luke 3:17, Jeremiah 8:5-12, Jer. 11:15-16, Isaiah 4:3-4

The main force of the CME will be upon the Middle East, all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates will be virtually depopulated, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14, Romans 9:27

This will enable the true righteous Israelites to gather and settle in the holy Land and the rest of the end time prophesies will unfold, culminating at the end of the age with the Return of Jesus for His 1000 year reign on earth. Maranatha!
Well I'm looking for the return of Jesus , not the anti Christ..Because i trust God that the bride ( the church ) is not to be battered by God before being presented . No the Gospel really is good news . We are not destined for wrath , but to obtain glorification. That is what every believer is predestined to after they believe . Rom 8.23. Eph 1.13-14
 

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No; It is called 'The Day of Destruction'.
Which is the next prophesied event we can expect. It will be triggered by an attack upon Israel by the Islamic peoples. Psalms 83 describes it best.

Go to the Attack now: Elam, Aram and Kir!
The Lord is actually encouraging Iran and its allies to attack Israel. It’s a bit like Clint Eastwood saying: “C’mon; make my day”! [Elam & Media = Iran, Aram = Syria and Lebanon, Kir = Arabia.]

Isaiah 21:2-7 I see the future: The betrayer will betray and the spoiler will spoil. Advance Elam, up Media, to the attack! Do not hesitate, make your move! I am seized by pain, trembling in fear, horrified by what I hear, aghast by what I see. The leaders and generals sit down to eat and drink – Get up now! It’s time to prepare your weapons and post a lookout. He must be fully alert to warn us if he sees columns of mounted troops advancing.

Isaiah 22:5-6 For the Lord has ordained a Day of disaster, a Day of panic and cries for help in the valleys and mountains. Elam prepares the main weapon of its might, the armored troops of Aram are readied and Kir readies its defenses.

Isaiah 21:1 & 8-10 The lookout calls: it comes - A mighty blast sweeps up from the south, from a place of terror. A voice calls: ”fallen is the wicked land, her gods are shattered” My people are like threshed grain on the threshing floor. From the God of Israel, I have told you.

Isaiah 22:1-5 Tell me, what is amiss with you? Why have you climbed up onto the roof? Why do you panic and run out of your houses? Your city is in an uproar, those fallen have not been killed by the sword in battle. All your commanders have fled, the bravest soldiers have gone in all directions. That is why I said: leave Me to weep in misery. Do not console Me for the ruin of My people.

Isaiah 22:7-11 The Lord’s protection over Judah is removed and the Destroyer of the nations overruns them; their preparations and military might is of no avail, because they do not look to the One who made them, or have respect for Him who planned it all long ago.

Isaiah 22:12-14 On that Day, the Lord called for weeping and mourning, but instead there was joy and merrymaking, feasting and dancing. You say: ‘let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die”
Here are Words revealed by the Lord of Hosts - Your wickedness will never be wiped out, surely you will die for it
.
Ref REB, CJB. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.



A confederation of nations and entities will conspire to attack the State of Israel. Psalm 83:1-8 They prepare their weapons – ‘shafts tipped with fire’ - Psalm 7:13, their nuclear missiles and thousands of rockets. Jeremiah 49:35
But the commencement of their attack ‘calls forth the wrath of the Lord’ - Ezekiel 7:14. The Lord has ordained a Day of disaster, a mighty blast of thunder, earthquakes and fire. Isaiah 66:15-16, Jeremiah 25:30-38, Joel 1:15, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:10, Revelation 6:12-17

This mighty blast will come from the sun, Isaiah 30:25-28....the sun will shine 7 times its normal strength.....
Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, all in an instant punishment will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes and a great noise, with storms and flames of devouring fire, that will crumble your enemies into dust. This shocking 1 day sunstrike, will literally fufill the over 100 prophesies about it. The initial flash EMP, will kill many in the military, because it will cause all rockets, bombs, etc, to explode, on or under the ground. Deut. 32:22, Psalm 35:8 Also many will be killed in the cities by the earthquakes and fires. Then there is a 24 hour period between the initial light flash of this coronal mass ejection and the arrival of the main mass of superheated hydrogen plasma. Everyone is terrified, Jer. 6:24-26, Luke 21:26, but some will party and ‘eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die’. Ezekiel 12:19-20

The Lord’s protection over the Jewish State of Israel is removed, because they do not look to Him who made them, or have respect for how He helped them in the past. The Israelis refuse to acknowledge God’s Hand in their affairs or call for His help so they will be ‘as grain on the threshing floor’. Luke 3:17, Jeremiah 8:5-12, Jer. 11:15-16, Isaiah 4:3-4

The main force of the CME will be upon the Middle East, all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates will be virtually depopulated, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14, Romans 9:27

This will enable the true righteous Israelites to gather and settle in the holy Land and the rest of the end time prophesies will unfold, culminating at the end of the age with the Return of Jesus for His 1000 year reign on earth. Maranatha!
No, this comes 1st
Revelation 3:10
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
 

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No; It is called 'The Day of Destruction'.
Which is the next prophesied event we can expect. It will be triggered by an attack upon Israel by the Islamic peoples. Psalms 83 describes it best.

Go to the Attack now: Elam, Aram and Kir!
The Lord is actually encouraging Iran and its allies to attack Israel. It’s a bit like Clint Eastwood saying: “C’mon; make my day”! [Elam & Media = Iran, Aram = Syria and Lebanon, Kir = Arabia.]

Isaiah 21:2-7 I see the future: The betrayer will betray and the spoiler will spoil. Advance Elam, up Media, to the attack! Do not hesitate, make your move! I am seized by pain, trembling in fear, horrified by what I hear, aghast by what I see. The leaders and generals sit down to eat and drink – Get up now! It’s time to prepare your weapons and post a lookout. He must be fully alert to warn us if he sees columns of mounted troops advancing.

Isaiah 22:5-6 For the Lord has ordained a Day of disaster, a Day of panic and cries for help in the valleys and mountains. Elam prepares the main weapon of its might, the armored troops of Aram are readied and Kir readies its defenses.

Isaiah 21:1 & 8-10 The lookout calls: it comes - A mighty blast sweeps up from the south, from a place of terror. A voice calls: ”fallen is the wicked land, her gods are shattered” My people are like threshed grain on the threshing floor. From the God of Israel, I have told you.

Isaiah 22:1-5 Tell me, what is amiss with you? Why have you climbed up onto the roof? Why do you panic and run out of your houses? Your city is in an uproar, those fallen have not been killed by the sword in battle. All your commanders have fled, the bravest soldiers have gone in all directions. That is why I said: leave Me to weep in misery. Do not console Me for the ruin of My people.

Isaiah 22:7-11 The Lord’s protection over Judah is removed and the Destroyer of the nations overruns them; their preparations and military might is of no avail, because they do not look to the One who made them, or have respect for Him who planned it all long ago.

Isaiah 22:12-14 On that Day, the Lord called for weeping and mourning, but instead there was joy and merrymaking, feasting and dancing. You say: ‘let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die”
Here are Words revealed by the Lord of Hosts - Your wickedness will never be wiped out, surely you will die for it
.
Ref REB, CJB. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.



A confederation of nations and entities will conspire to attack the State of Israel. Psalm 83:1-8 They prepare their weapons – ‘shafts tipped with fire’ - Psalm 7:13, their nuclear missiles and thousands of rockets. Jeremiah 49:35
But the commencement of their attack ‘calls forth the wrath of the Lord’ - Ezekiel 7:14. The Lord has ordained a Day of disaster, a mighty blast of thunder, earthquakes and fire. Isaiah 66:15-16, Jeremiah 25:30-38, Joel 1:15, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:10, Revelation 6:12-17

This mighty blast will come from the sun, Isaiah 30:25-28....the sun will shine 7 times its normal strength.....
Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, all in an instant punishment will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes and a great noise, with storms and flames of devouring fire, that will crumble your enemies into dust. This shocking 1 day sunstrike, will literally fufill the over 100 prophesies about it. The initial flash EMP, will kill many in the military, because it will cause all rockets, bombs, etc, to explode, on or under the ground. Deut. 32:22, Psalm 35:8 Also many will be killed in the cities by the earthquakes and fires. Then there is a 24 hour period between the initial light flash of this coronal mass ejection and the arrival of the main mass of superheated hydrogen plasma. Everyone is terrified, Jer. 6:24-26, Luke 21:26, but some will party and ‘eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die’. Ezekiel 12:19-20

The Lord’s protection over the Jewish State of Israel is removed, because they do not look to Him who made them, or have respect for how He helped them in the past. The Israelis refuse to acknowledge God’s Hand in their affairs or call for His help so they will be ‘as grain on the threshing floor’. Luke 3:17, Jeremiah 8:5-12, Jer. 11:15-16, Isaiah 4:3-4

The main force of the CME will be upon the Middle East, all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates will be virtually depopulated, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14, Romans 9:27

This will enable the true righteous Israelites to gather and settle in the holy Land and the rest of the end time prophesies will unfold, culminating at the end of the age with the Return of Jesus for His 1000 year reign on earth. Maranatha!
.,.and I’m a think’n this is you...
Matthew 24:24
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
 

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But you said we wouldn't be here, [presumably on earth] for the Lord's Day of wrath.
How does; I will keep you for the hour of trial, come to mean a rapture removal?
Besides, that was written to the Church at Philadelphia and applies to those who stand firm in their faith.
It also is for a time BEFORE Jesus comes and after He Returns, those people will be made pillars of glory in the Temple. Rev 3:11-12

To manufacture a 'rapture to heaven of the Church' out of scriptures like that, is a very tenuous and flimsy support for a doctrine.
See what is said there? ...upon the whole world....how do you twist that to not mean what it says? There is coming upon the whole of the world a great time of trials but those who have remained faithful, will be removed before it. Why is that so hard? It is before your eyes in black and white. We are to be workmen worthy of our hire in searching out the scriptures to see them for what they are. Why do you reject the black upon the white here? Explain yourself please, not vague terms or accusations but disprove this passage with scripture then.
 

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All prophesies to the Jews under the old covenant have been fulfilled
That is totally incorrect. There are dozens of prophecies regarding Israel in the future which remain to be fulfilled. And it has nothing to do with the Old Covenant, but everything to do with the Abrahamic Covenant.

Prophecies concerning the First Coming of Christ has been fulfilled. But prophecies concerning the Second Coming are yet to be fulfilled, and redeemed and restored Israel features in them very significantly.
 

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See what is said there? ...upon the whole world....how do you twist that to not mean what it says? There is coming upon the whole of the world a great time of trials but those who have remained faithful, will be removed before it. Why is that so hard? It is before your eyes in black and white. We are to be workmen worthy of our hire in searching out the scriptures to see them for what they are. Why do you reject the black upon the white here? Explain yourself please, not vague terms or accusations but disprove this passage with scripture then.
You fail to provide any real scriptural support for a rapture to heaven of the Church. All just assumptions and guesswork.

Luke 21:35 and Revelation 6:12-17, plus many other prophesies about terrible Day of destruction by the Lord's fiery wrath; all say the whole world will experience it.
1 Peter 4:12 Friends; be not be surprised by the fiery trial that will test you.... Obviously he is talking to Christians, we WILL be tested.
 

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That is totally incorrect. There are dozens of prophecies regarding Israel in the future which remain to be fulfilled. And it has nothing to do with the Old Covenant, but everything to do with the Abrahamic Covenant.

Prophecies concerning the First Coming of Christ has been fulfilled. But prophecies concerning the Second Coming are yet to be fulfilled, and redeemed and restored Israel features in them very significantly.
The Israel that will be redeemed and restored, is not the current peoples in the holy land. Their fate is well prophesied. Isaiah 22:14, Amos 2:4-5, Romans 9:27
It will be the spiritual Israelites of God, who always were His people and now are the faithful, born again Christian peoples from every race, nation and language. They will be the citizens of the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26
 
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The Israel that will be redeemed and restored, is not the current peoples in the holy land. Their fate is well prophesied. Isaiah 22:14, Amos 2:4-5, Romans 9:27
It will be the spiritual Israelites of God, who always were His people and now are the faithful, born again Christian peoples from every race, nation and language. They will be the citizens of the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26
Would you consider this "replacement theology"?
 

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Would you consider this "replacement theology"?
No.
Because it was always and still is; that the faithful people of God are His Israelites, the Overcomers for Him, just as is seen in each of the seven Church's of Revelation, thru this age until today.
They were Jews and non Jews like Ruth and Luke, then all the 'gentiles' converted by the Apostles.
Now Gods Israelites number many millions of born again Christians.

I know the teaching and belief of a Jewish redemption and their restoration is prevalent today. But that belief simply is not supported by scripture. It is in fact, a tenet of the 'rapture' theory, which must have a group - the Jews on earth, while they skive off to heaven.
That doctrine is nothing short of a Satanic deception, a lie of gigantic proportions that has fooled millions.
 
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No.
Because it was always and still is; that the faithful people of God are His Israelites, the Overcomers for Him, just as is seen in each of the seven Church's of Revelation, thru this age until today.
They were Jews and non Jews like Ruth and Luke, then all the 'gentiles' converted by the Apostles.
Now Gods Israelites number many millions of born again Christians.

I know the teaching and belief of a Jewish redemption and their restoration is prevalent today. But that belief simply is not supported by scripture. It is in fact, a tenet of the 'rapture' theory, which must have a group - the Jews on earth, while they skive off to heaven.
That doctrine is nothing short of a Satanic deception, a lie of gigantic proportions that has fooled millions.
I see, so can I understand your doctrine as:

Instead of the body of Christ replacing Israel,

but rather it was ordained by God from the beginning of time that "the Body of Christ is the true Israel, and that the true Israel is spiritual Israel"?
 

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No.
Because it was always and still is; that the faithful people of God are His Israelites, the Overcomers for Him, just as is seen in each of the seven Church's of Revelation, thru this age until today.
They were Jews and non Jews like Ruth and Luke, then all the 'gentiles' converted by the Apostles.
Now Gods Israelites number many millions of born again Christians.

I know the teaching and belief of a Jewish redemption and their restoration is prevalent today. But that belief simply is not supported by scripture. It is in fact, a tenet of the 'rapture' theory, which must have a group - the Jews on earth, while they skive off to heaven.
That doctrine is nothing short of a Satanic deception, a lie of gigantic proportions that has fooled millions.
Seems t me you are the only be bewitched by false doctrines As you twist His word and pick no choose which you will like at?
 

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You fail to provide any real scriptural support for a rapture to heaven of the Church. All just assumptions and guesswork.

Luke 21:35 and Revelation 6:12-17, plus many other prophesies about terrible Day of destruction by the Lord's fiery wrath; all say the whole world will experience it.
1 Peter 4:12 Friends; be not be surprised by the fiery trial that will test you.... Obviously he is talking to Christians, we WILL be tested.
It never ceases to amaizing me how one like yourself can twist your Creator’s word to suit some agenda of yours.....what is it exactly you are anting to eradicate through this rambling here?
 

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Evidence of this? Can you provide any? Verses?
which prophesies would you like? Babylon captivity was a big one, birth of Cyrus and God's plan for him, the birth of Christ.......et all
Subject is too broad to tackle them all at one post.
 

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which prophesies would you like? Babylon captivity was a big one, birth of Cyrus and God's plan for him, the birth of Christ.......et all
Subject is too broad to tackle them all at one post.
...how about where the scriptures reject the rapture?