Are the words of Jesus not for Christians?

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John146

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I agree that a person cannot pick and choose

I don't think you understand the word doctrine either

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Doctrine, teachings in Scripture that is to be literally lived out by the intended audience.

Spiritual teaching is not taken literally, but there is a spiritual lesson that may be applied to various walks of life.
 

John146

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I agree that a person cannot pick and choose

I don't think you understand the word doctrine either

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There is doctrine for the intended audience. If one calls another a fool, they are in danger of hell fire. Is this true about the body of Christ? Paul better hope not.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
 
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John 11:25–26

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life.4 Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?


and this guojing thinks this does not apply to us

presents 'another Jesus' and refuses Jesus words. you can't make this up and it is a morass of denial of the truth
I already gave you the bethel example. If you Deliberately don’t want to understand what I was saying, that is your choice
 
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LOL! my behavior is quoting scripture and refuting the ridiculous claims that you and several others display

you are not above calling people names, as you well know, so maybe check your own behavior

I am not expressing opinions. you can post however you wish within the TOS, but be sure you cannot tell others how to post or what to say

we both know why you posted this. that person argues with just about everyone, and takes views that most do not agree with, so you are not doing yourself any favors by hiding behind her
In the first place, I was affirming another who noticed the same thing about your behaviour.

I already am aware of your behaviour from the previous threads
 
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There is doctrine for the intended audience. If one calls another a fool, they are in danger of hell fire. Is this true about the body of Christ? Paul better hope not.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

and?

ps...Jesus also called people fools AND devils (although there is only 1 devil and many demons)..whitewashed tombs

watcha gonna do about it? oh wait...just ignore Jesus.

guess what! they were talking about those who were not saved or would never be
 

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and?

ps...Jesus also called people fools AND devils (although there is only 1 devil and many demons)..whitewashed tombs

watcha gonna do about it? oh wait...just ignore Jesus.

guess what! they were talking about those who were not saved or would never be
I realize that passage is not doctrine for the body of Christ. You believe it is. In your system, if one calls someone a fool they are in danger of hell fire.
 
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I realize that passage is not doctrine for the body of Christ. You believe it is. In your system, if one calls someone a fool they are in danger of hell fire.

no not really. you are the one with the system

I have a Bible and the testimony of millions of Christians that Jesus is the way. you have a gospel less understanding which is worse than none at all

you mock the words of Jesus as you do in the post above; don't tell me what I believe. the more astonishing thing is what you do not believe
 

John146

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no not really. you are the one with the system

I have a Bible and the testimony of millions of Christians that Jesus is the way. you have a gospel less understanding which is worse than none at all

you mock the words of Jesus as you do in the post above; don't tell me what I believe. the more astonishing thing is what you do not believe
Question, do you believe that if you call someone a fool you are in danger of hell fire? yes or no
 
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In the first place, I was affirming another who noticed the same thing about your behaviour.

I already am aware of your behaviour from the previous threads
that is interesting since I have had you on ignore for months now and only took you off ignore when you appeared in my op

personal attacks are stock in trade for people like you who cannot answer properly

you start name calling and then say the other person did it.

that is one reason I had you on ignore in the first place. you cannot be truthful and you start trying to get personal rather than stick to the op

the other person is Hebrew Roots and got royally angry when I posted scripture that indicates the problems with that

if you want to take sides to counter a person with nasty comments, that indicates you are just plain not able to respond with scripture

like her

well, you are back on ignore where I should have left you

you and your pal Johnny
 

John146

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no not really. you are the one with the system

I have a Bible and the testimony of millions of Christians that Jesus is the way. you have a gospel less understanding which is worse than none at all

you mock the words of Jesus as you do in the post above; don't tell me what I believe. the more astonishing thing is what you do not believe
You don't believe Jesus' words? Why not? Aren't Jesus' words to the body of Christ? Are you back tracking on your beliefs?
 
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that is interesting since I have had you on ignore for months now and only took you off ignore when you appeared in my op

personal attacks are stock in trade for people like you who cannot answer properly

you start name calling and then say the other person did it.

that is one reason I had you on ignore in the first place. you cannot be truthful and you start trying to get personal rather than stick to the op

the other person is Hebrew Roots and got royally angry when I posted scripture that indicates the problems with that

if you want to take sides to counter a person with nasty comments, that indicates you are just plain not able to respond with scripture

like her

well, you are back on ignore where I should have left you

you and your pal Johnny
Always fascinating to see people announcing publicly they are ignoring someone, is it some kind of virtue signalling? 🤣
 

John146

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Always fascinating to see people announcing publicly they are ignoring someone, is it some kind of virtue signalling? 🤣
These people who believe Jesus was addressing the body of Christ will only pick and choose which verses to apply to their lives and which verses to ignore. And when you call them out on it, they ignore you.
 
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I think the entire Word of God is the Word of God... people who deny the Words of Jesus, deny Jesus..

Woe to those who deny Jesus..
as another poster put it.....
 
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HERE IS ANOTHER GREAT POST BY SOMEONE WHO GETS WHAT THE BIBLE IS ABOUT


Corban, post: 4376928, member: 298250"]It seems to me that our esteemed lenna addressed two different points - both of which are valid. I'll reverse the order for ease of answering.

(1) Attack by infidels on the Person of Christ. This is shortly dispensed with by the historical fact that our Lord Jesus, His Person, His deity, His resurrection, and His very existence is always under attack. We can't stop it, but we should try to equip ourselves with solid answers. But at the end of the day, because our FAITH is based on what is NOT seen (Heb.11:1), we must expect not to convince the infidel.

(2) The opinion of some on this Forum that the contents of the Gospels is largely for Israel, or that they do not address the Christian. This is a far more subtle and dangerous attack because it comes from within our ranks and is mostly well-meaning. The answer to this threat is only slightly less simple than the first.

Because God chose Abraham and made a Covenant with him and his SEED, God was bound by His Words to approach Israel with the Solution to all the earth's problems - Jesus Messiah. So it is true that our Lord Jesus FIRST approached Israel with the glory and benefits of (i) sin and sins being dealt with, and (ii) His coming Kingdom as promised in Daniel. One would remove the main problem that Israel faced and which had caused their crisis - sin and sins, and once that was dealt with, Israel would again be elevated to leading and invincible Nation among the nations. But you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. But by Matthew Chapter 12, our Lord Jesus had been fully rejected and accused of being the emissary of Beelzebub. The Chapter ends with our Lord Jesus severing His connection with His brethren by the flesh.

From this moment on, our Lord Jesus starts to work with a NEW assembly which He calls His DISCIPLES. And the Lord shortly reveals a NEW assembly called "The Church". The three synoptic gospels reveal the Man Jesus in His role as King, Servant and normal Man in dealing with the SAME problems that faced Israel - namely, sin and sins, and the coming Kingdom. This time though, His teaching is directed at the NEW Assembly called His DISCIPLES. The fourth gospel, that of John, reveals Christ's deity for the purpose of returning man to his first estate in Eden - eating from the Tree of Life and thus have an orgainic union with God to be equipped to be in the image and likeness of God, and to be "up to the standard of Christ" to be His Bride.

What we have on the Forum is mostly people who have not seen this. They have not lifted up like an eagle to view the grand vista of God's purpose. They, for more than one reason, very often not their fault, stayed in the multifaceted puzzle of God's divine Revelation and have to contend daily with ... a PUZZLE. The solution is that that (i) we DEBATE, and (ii) that each attempts to be honest and accepting of a logical structured argument that leads to a logical end. And when we are forced to change our mind by this honesty, that we do not let that every present PRIDE cloud our judgment.

But THAT ... the matter of pride, is almost invincible. And THAT ... is why this problem will also not be solved in our time. The last Church is Laodicea. Matters will get worse before they get better. But let the DEBATE go on. We are bound to TESTIFY.
 
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and another poster who sees the truth

We have had some odd things said in here lately, I too have heard the gospels are for jews only, and that the church church is acts and beyond, except James, which is again for jews only.

its sad. But I think we are in the last days, and the closer we get the more people will make excuses not to hear the whole council of God,
 
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These people who believe Jesus was addressing the body of Christ will only pick and choose which verses to apply to their lives and which verses to ignore. And when you call them out on it, they ignore you.
And as we can see on the posts after yours, they will deem those who agree with them as making great posts 🤣
 
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Lol, the kingdom of God is not the kingdom of heaven. That is plain to see in Scripture.
Mat 19
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.


Mark 10:14
But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Plainly and clearly interchangeable

Paul,under your prism,is a heretic
 

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Mat 19
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.


Mark 10:14
But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Plainly and clearly interchangeable

Paul,under your prism,is a heretic
Yet different writings. Words are important. Both kingdoms were at hand when the Lord was on earth, the physical kingdom and the spiritual kingdom.
 
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doesn't know what the diaspora is. thinks the Jews never left 'the promised land'

has no knowledge of either biblical history or the history of the dispersion of the Jews and the bringing them back and the creation of Israel as a nation after WWII, the importance being that it is prophesied in scripture God would do that

is just dumbfounded about the whole think but still lol's at others

that's you Johnny
No man has entered the eternal promised land . As sons of God we are not what we will be, no longer male and female Jew not gentile. .

A man must be born again inwardly of the Spirit of Christ. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ then he is not of God.

Romans 2:28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:2 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The outward Jews according to the corrupted flesh like all the nations have not entered the eternal propmised land the heavenly Zion. The city prepared for his bride made up of all the nations of the world. All die having not received the promise. Hebrew 11:38

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

In Acts our father in heaven renamed his bride Christian, previously called her Israel . Not all Israel are born again Jews .

Christian a more befitting name for all the nations. Literally meanly without adding other meaning. the bride as residents of the heavenly city named after her husband and founder Christ.

Outward Jews according to corrupted flesh of mankind have returned to the temporal land. They are in dire need of hearing the gospel The way I understand a person would be hard pressed to find the new testament in a local book store.
 
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Yet different writings. Words are important. Both kingdoms were at hand when the Lord was on earth, the physical kingdom and the spiritual kingdom.
Paul says he followed Jesus.

You say otherwise.

Jesus said "I am the same yesterday, today, and forever"

You say Jesus preached a different gospel.

You were shown more than once where Jesus preached dbr.