Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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eternally-gratefull

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If God chose them before the foundation of the world, then God knows them personally before the foundation of the world. Are you saying God did not have this knowledge before the foundation of the world? Uh Oh!
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Nope.

know is a personal relationship. I can know who my cousin is who lives in california, that does not mean I know her personally

again, you adding to the defenition of a word. And twisting what things mean
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
you can twist my words all you want, I will just point you to God for your sin.

John 6 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

jesus own words..
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Everyone who believes, not everyone that I have chosen before the foundation of the world.
 
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John146 said:
Actually, in this false thinking I've been refuting, It's God's will that only those that He has chosen before the foundation of the world will hear it and believe it. Actually, they will because He chose them to believe, which is not really believing if one was chosen to believe. That's another argument.
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I'm surprised these new modern translations haven't removed ' in him ' yet .lol
 
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Nope.

know is a personal relationship. I can know who my cousin is who lives in california, that does not mean I know her personally

again, you adding to the defenition of a word. And twisting what things mean
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The context of Galatians 4 is knowledge as a son. Did God have knowledge of you as a son before the foundation of the world? That's pretty personal wouldn't you agree?
 
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OIC1965 said:
The verb “known” here is not speaking of taking in knowledge. It is referring to being recognized and accepted by God.

This contradicts nothing I’ve said.

We are foreknown, elected, and predestined before the foundation of the world.

We are justified, reconciled, and made accepted in the Beloved in time.
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It should be very easy to explain Galatians 4:9. Thanks.
 
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Nope.

know is a personal relationship. I can know who my cousin is who lives in california, that does not mean I know her personally

again, you adding to the defenition of a word. And twisting what things mean
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You know, what you are saying is that God does not have certain knowledge before it comes to pass.
 
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Everyone who believes, not everyone that I have chosen before the foundation of the world.
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Yes in that verse

but Eph 1 said they were chosen before the foundation.

youlike to pick the Bible apart, it is a unit. With a message, one passage says I was redeemed, it does not mean I was also not justified, or sanctified or born again just because that particular verse does not say it
 
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John146 said:
The context of Galatians 4 is knowledge as a son. Did God have knowledge of you as a son before the foundation of the world? That's pretty personal wouldn't you agree?
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Well considering yu were not even created yet,I would say that would be kind of hard don’t yu think

here yu go again with yur nonsensical reasons to ignore something, that’s why I hardly ever respond to you. Should I walk away again, or can we have a sensical discussion?
 
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John146 said:
You know, what you are saying is that God does not have certain knowledge before it comes to pass.
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lol. I should not surprise me that you would stoop this low and twist someone’s word to make him appear to say something he never said,

good day sir, sad to know you have not changed a bit
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Well considering yu were not even created yet,I would say that would be kind of hard don’t yu think

here yu go again with yur nonsensical reasons to ignore something, that’s why I hardly ever respond to you. Should I walk away again, or can we have a sensical discussion?
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Did God have personal knowledge of you as a son before the foundation of the world? Galatians 4:9 states that there is a moment in time when you believed the gospel and at that moment, God knows you as a son, not one moment before.
 
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Did God have personal knowledge of you as a son before the foundation of the world? Galatians 4:9 states that there is a moment in time when you believed the gospel and at that moment, God knows you as a son, not one moment before.
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And I never said any different now did I?

Keep it up, your hurting your own self (well except to those who are in your war). People outside looking in can see right through you
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
And I never said any different now did I?
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Good, we're on the same page in this regard. God does not have knowledge of one as a son before the foundation of the world. That would mean He didn't choose anyone to be in Christ (that would make him a son) before the foundation of the world.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
And I never said any different now did I?

Keep it up, your hurting your own self (well except to those who are in your war). People outside looking in can see right through you
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So God elected us before the foundation of the world, but had no foreknowledge of us until we got saved?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope.

know is a personal relationship. I can know who my cousin is who lives in california, that does not mean I know her personally

again, you adding to the defenition of a word. And twisting what things mean
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They don’t understand that words have multiple meanings...as well as not knowing how to identify a direct object.
 
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John146 said:
Good, we're on the same page in this regard. God does not have knowledge of one as a son before the foundation of the world. That would mean He didn't choose anyone to be in Christ (that would make him a son) before the foundation of the world.
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So God had no inkling of who would believe until they believe. That’s open theism, buddy.
 
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So you believe you were predestined BEFORE you existed to be converted . What you would call being chosen ahead of time to be adopted. ( Which you think means conversion ) Is this the position you hold to ? Currently you sound like my friend who will swear she is not a calvinist ,but holds to just about every calvinist interpretation of most key texts .
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You are confusing two terms

Chosen and predestinated.

Not the same thing.
 
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