Does the Lord condemn based on the day we worship?

[GraceAndTruth]

Right on. First we take our sins to Christ for forgiveness, then His righteousness in us follows.

His righteousness and forgiveness is imputed to us the second we are born again by the quickening of our dead spirit to new life.
We don't "frrst" do anything to receive it.

The blood of Christ does not require confession to cover the sin 100%. Confession is for OUR benefit, to agree with God that we have dishonored the One who bought us. It's like when God asked Adam (after he ate of the fruit) "what did you do"? Of course God already knew what Adam had done, but it was for Adam's sake that he was given the opportunity to confess so he would face up to his offense to God.

 

[lenna]

judge this

“For Christ is THE END of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” Romans 10:4

 

[lenna]

onfession is for OUR benefit, to agree with God that we have dishonored the One who bought us. It's like when God asked Adam (after he ate of the fruit) "what did you do"? Of course God already knew what Adam had done, but it was for Adam's sake that he was given the opportunity to confess so he would face up to his offense to God.

right. it's not like God has no idea of what we have been up to

 

[Blik]

I would say that you do the judging here blik. I don't believe you know God's will for me. I can tell you that it is not listening to you

blik informed us in this thread, that we attract demons when we worship on Sunday. You are left wondering if she has short term memory loss or just likes to instigate personal conflict

here is a sample of what she actually believes:

Scripture tells us to celebrate Christ with Passover, the church says God cancelled that. They made up a new way to do it and named it using pagan gods to inspire them to make up a name for this replacement.

Demons are attracted to the church, undermining it is undermining the Lord. They have done a mighty work, they will still fail in the end.

outrageous. who is judging blik? looks like you. I stated God does not judge and you state I judge. quite a twist on the truth of what was said

We are not to listen to any man, God is our teacher. But we can compare what men say to the truth of the Lord. You have done that with my scripture discussions and decided that I do not speak truth. It is within God's way to point out why you do not think so. But it is not in god's way to say things like accusing me of being of the devil and of not listening to scripture. That is judging and we are told not to judge.

You have made yourself my enemy, and being an enemy of anyone is not God's way.

For example, it is fine to say that you are sure demons are not attracted to the church and why you believe that, and that you think I am wrong in saying that. That is as far as you can go with that idea, making it a reason to judge me as a person is out of line. God lets you believe that demons leave the church alone as God lets me believe that demons use the church to justify their evil ways.

 

[Blik]

His righteousness and forgiveness is imputed to us the second we are born again by the quickening of our dead spirit to new life.
We don't "frrst" do anything to receive it.

The blood of Christ does not require confession to cover the sin 100%. Confession is for OUR benefit, to agree with God that we have dishonored the One who bought us. It's like when God asked Adam (after he ate of the fruit) "what did you do"? Of course God already knew what Adam had done, but it was for Adam's sake that he was given the opportunity to confess so he would face up to his offense to God.

Your post brings up a lot of things to make me reach for understanding.

I hadn't thought about that God knows our sins, it is for us to know them.

I made a study of the sacrificial system, it helped me understand what Christ does for us. Sins we are to be forgiven for are listed there, and one is the sin we have that we are not aware of. As we confess, it brings to our minds what we are to give up in repentance.

 

[lenna]

We are not to listen to any man, God is our teacher. But we can compare what men say to the truth of the Lord. You have done that with my scripture discussions and decided that I do not speak truth. It is within God's way to point out why you do not think so. But it is not in god's way to say things like accusing me of being of the devil and of not listening to scripture. That is judging and we are told not to judge.

You have made yourself my enemy, and being an enemy of anyone is not God's way.

For example, it is fine to say that you are sure demons are not attracted to the church and why you believe that, and that you think I am wrong in saying that. That is as far as you can go with that idea, making it a reason to judge me as a person is out of line. God lets you believe that demons leave the church alone as God lets me believe that demons use the church to justify their evil ways.

Does the Lord condemn based on the day we worship?

no but some people do and that is why Paul says give them no mind.

6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christb and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.c 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow.

20If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: 21“Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!”? 22These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such restrictions indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-prescribed worship, their false humility, and their harsh treatment of the body; but they are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
Colossians 2

 

[Blik]

Does the Lord condemn based on the day we worship?

no but some people do and that is why Paul says give them no mind.

I have read many posts saying that God created Sabbath on a certain day, even posts saying we should listen to scripture. I have never read any of these posts telling us God judges us based on the day they go to church. Have you?

 

[oyster67]

Romans 14: 5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Great verses, Amen! They can be applied to so many things. What the Lords requires boils down to something very simple.

Matthew
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[lenna]

I have read many posts saying that God created Sabbath on a certain day, even posts saying we should listen to scripture. I have never read any of these posts telling us God judges us based on the day they go to church. Have you?

6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christb and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.c 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow.

20If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: 21“Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!”? 22These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such restrictions indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-prescribed worship, their false humility, and their harsh treatment of the body; but they are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
Colossians 2

 

[Blik]

6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christb and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.c 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow.

20If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: 21“Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!”? 22These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such restrictions indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-prescribed worship, their false humility, and their harsh treatment of the body; but they are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
Colossians 2

Isn't these words great encouragement from the Lord. Paul was telling the Colossian church not to believe the Gnostics who told them God was only spiritual, nothing we do physically can be of God. They told them not to feast, feasting in praise of God's forgiveness was only physical. Paul said that was not what the Lord said. We take it to believe that we need not celebrate the Lord with a feast or His Sabbath, and perhaps that is also true.

 

[Lion222]

Paul’s conclusion really helps with these verses he was telling them not to be judging each other Based on external things like days , foods ect and explaining why

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭

paul like Jesus and the other apostles is explaining that what God cares about is his true love expressed to others through us . God has been merciful we must be , he has not judged us based on our flaws and lack of detail , we
Must not , he’s forgiven us , we must forgive .

that whole chapter is a thorough rebuke of making what day we worship , whether we eat pork , or some unclean food , whether we washed our hands, what denomination we claim , none of those type of things have any bearing on eternal Life Or salvation but what does have is how we treat others.

are we harsh and unmerciful to others who wrong us ? Like the unforgiving debtor ? Or do we treat folks like Jesus treated us at our worst when we did some wrong in our own life ?

those types of things are what’s important the details are different for people but people who do certain things ritualistically and think it’s important do so to Honor God , those other who don’t believe it matters to God , they aren’t going to be condemned for following their faith on a detail or insignificant matter. If the details were salvation we’d all be lost

Yeah, don't neglect the weightier things that being love.

 

[lenna]

the New Testament is the standard for believers in Jesus...even Jewish believers, not just Gentiles

when Gentiles try to copy Jewish ways of worship, they end up with something that is really not pleasing God as Paul states in Galatians, asking them who had bewitched them as they had started out in the spirit but were now falling back on fleshly obedience to things that were no longer in effect



God gave the Sabbath to Israel as a sign of His special covenant with His chosen people. It was part of an elaborate system of sacrifices, rituals, and offerings (Exodus 31:13-17; Nehemiah 9:13-14 ). The Epistle to the Hebrews makes it clear, however, that the coming of the Messiah invalidated these regulations (Hebrews 10:1-18 ). It emphasizes that the Old Testament has been replaced by a new covenant (Hebrews 8:7-13 ). Paul warned the church in Galatia about legalism relating to the Mosaic law, saying:

How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! ( Galatians 4:9-10).​

Galatians 3:

1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?

3Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? 5Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?

6So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

Christ Has Redeemed Us

10All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” 12The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.”

13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing promised to Abraham would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

 

[Blik]

the New Testament is the standard for believers in Jesus...even Jewish believers, not just Gentiles

when Gentiles try to copy Jewish ways of worship, they end up with something that is really not pleasing God as Paul states in Galatians, asking them who had bewitched them as they had started out in the spirit but were now falling back on fleshly obedience to things that were no longer in effect



God gave the Sabbath to Israel as a sign of His special covenant with His chosen people. It was part of an elaborate system of sacrifices, rituals, and offerings (Exodus 31:13-17; Nehemiah 9:13-14 ). The Epistle to the Hebrews makes it clear, however, that the coming of the Messiah invalidated these regulations (Hebrews 10:1-18 ). It emphasizes that the Old Testament has been replaced by a new covenant (Hebrews 8:7-13 ). Paul warned the church in Galatia about legalism relating to the Mosaic law, saying:

How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! ( Galatians 4:9-10).​

Galatians 3:

1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?

3Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? 5Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?

6So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

Christ Has Redeemed Us

10All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” 12The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.”

13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing promised to Abraham would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

All the old testament was only read by Jews until Paul showed people that God was also a God of the gentiles.

People who listen to such as the Psalms, Isaiah, or Proverbs as scripture for them are not "copying Jews", they are, I think, reading scripture for humans, not for a special group of humans.

God created a race of humans out of the gentile race to show His ways to the gentiles because God loves all. I think God wants us to look at how He led that special group of gentiles called Israelites to show us the way, not as a group he loves and takes better care of than gentiles. I don't think the "Jews only" "don't copy it if the Jews do it" is of scripture. We are exempt from commands God gave to help the Jews understand His ways like circumcision, but God's real law of love is for all. Most of His commands are ways of love.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Romans 14: 5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

God only condemns sin and as we know all have sinned and come short of God's standard. That is why we have Jesus through whom we can obtain forgiveness of sin.

The biggest sin is rejecting Jesus as the messiah and the sin that can lose you your salvation is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which is to call a work of the Holy Spirit the work of Satan.

 

[Blik]

God only condemns sin and as we know all have sinned and come short of God's standard. That is why we have Jesus through whom we can obtain forgiveness of sin.

The biggest sin is rejecting Jesus as the messiah and the sin that can lose you your salvation is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which is to call a work of the Holy Spirit the work of Satan.

This is the essence, the core. We can discuss and wonder about the Jewish/gentile questions and all such things, but it all boils down to that Christ is our savior. Just like all God's law boil down to love.

 

[lenna]

All the old testament was only read by Jews until Paul showed people that God was also a God of the gentiles.

People who listen to such as the Psalms, Isaiah, or Proverbs as scripture for them are not "copying Jews", they are, I think, reading scripture for humans, not for a special group of humans.

God created a race of humans out of the gentile race to show His ways to the gentiles because God loves all. I think God wants us to look at how He led that special group of gentiles called Israelites to show us the way, not as a group he loves and takes better care of than gentiles. I don't think the "Jews only" "don't copy it if the Jews do it" is of scripture. We are exempt from commands God gave to help the Jews understand His ways like circumcision, but God's real law of love is for all. Most of His commands are ways of love.

the Bible is for all people for all time

apart from that, your opinions are your own. that would include what you say about those who go to church on Sunday

we have all seen your condemnation regarding that, so unless you have an apology to offer, what you say now is really just more of the same

I don't actually give much care about what you think because of that type of comment and others you have made.

I am going to leave this thread because there is no purpose to it other than to showcase your opinions

 

[mailmandan]

God only condemns sin and as we know all have sinned and come short of God's standard. That is why we have Jesus through whom we can obtain forgiveness of sin.

The biggest sin is rejecting Jesus as the messiah and the sin that can lose you your salvation is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which is to call a work of the Holy Spirit the work of Satan.

The "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is mentioned in Matthew 12:22-32 and Mark 3:22-30. This case of blasphemy is a specific one, called "the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 12:31. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees (who were not Christians) having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was casting out demons in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that Jesus had an unclean spirit and casts them out by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons. (Matthew 12:24; Mark 3:30). Jesus was specific about what they did to commit "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" and these Pharisees who committed this unforgivable sin were not believers who lost their salvation.

 

[Jackson123]

Romans 14: 5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Some people believe sabbath is where they rest not work and go to church, but I don't know if they believe worship on Sunday is condemned.

We are in new covenant, ot regulate sabbath the day of rest, but nt regulate Jesus is rest, it mean when Jesus in our heart we have rest.

NT more toward spiritual or what is in your heart, ex about adultery, you may not have sex with woman other than your wife, but if you lust with, you are commit adultery.

We need rest, from worry how to pay electric bill, from worry what happen when we die, about our health etc.
We may phicically rest but not in our mind. Only in Jesus we have real rest.

So sabbath in it was symbol real rest in Jesus.
Like animal sacrifice in ot is symbol of The sacrifice of Jesus the cross in NT.

We don't do animal sacrifice anymore because of the cross, so do the sabbath, we don't do physical sabbath anymore because of the cross, we have real rest by inviting Jesus in to,our heart

 

[oldethennew]

we condemn ourselves, according to The Holy Spirits Convicting us...