Is the reason you believe that a person can lose their salvation because you believe we aren’t adopted until the resurrection, or some other reason? Just curious.
Believers are called Elect in many places.
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2
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Is the reason you believe that a person can lose their salvation because you believe we aren’t adopted until the resurrection, or some other reason? Just curious.
Believers are called Elect in many places.
What?? Absolutely not . How have you concluded I believe in loss of salvation?? No I believe the bible when it says After we believe we are predestined to Guaranteed Glorification. That we are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption.
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Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Calvinism misses the point - salvation is either by works or grace. If we used the word choice instead of election (and choice is one of the Greek definitions) we can see what Paul is saying more plainly:
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the choice of grace.
Paul is stating that God chose grace and NOT works for the means of salvation for those who put their faith in him. No faith no grace.
It's really simple. Paul's letters deal with works vs faith otherwise he is willing that many will perish (2 Pet 3:9) states he's not willing.
Calvinism is making people the target of "election/choice" for salvation rather than the means of salvation of the people.
So disagree.
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The epistles are addressed to the elect. Paul's epistles are addressed to the church, the body of Christ.
I do not believe one can lose their salvation. They have the seal of the Holy Spirit that guarantees their future adoption as sons.
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eternally-gratefull
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Lol. You see everything through a calvinist view, you think everything has to do with calvin, you give him fat to much credit
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Have you answered the Question yet?or just out to mock like you always do?
its sad that we went after preacher because he acted this way, yet here you are acting just like he did. Does that not make you a hypocrite?
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He chooses to saved those whi according to his will are born again, by grace THrOUGH faith
thats not a calvinist thought, that’s scripture
if you do not like it because it appears to support calvin and that frightens you for some reason, that’s not our problem
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eternally-gratefull
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You twist scripture prety bad.
the seal spoken of there is the fact God knows who are his, not the same as In Ephesians 1. Totally different context,
however. If your right, and it is the same, then calvinism is proven because the seal of the spirit is on,y given to to those the lord chose, And he knows who they are, faith has nothing to do with it.
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And the person you keep fighting would agree with you, but you can not see it, Because your eyes are closed
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I do not think he believes this, I do believe however John believes this, we lose salvation if we stop remaining in Christ in faith (lose faith)
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Lol, your making me laugh sis, and also making yourself look bad. Your arguing a Mute point to this person, he is not a calvinist, he is nothing like them, yet you keep trying to shove him in a calvinist bag.
please wake up sis, this is painful watching you do this
Your presupposition leaks out everytime you mis quote the verse ? It doesn't say ' to be in Christ ' . Thats what all calvinistic thinkers wish it did say . That's the irony . You keep changing the verse every time you quote it.
Scripture defines itself with words. The Lord's seal is his Holy Spirit. It seals the believer for the day of redemption, the adoption of sons.
Ephesians 1
3 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
We have been purchased with a price. God's given us His Holy Spirit which is His guarantee that the redemption will occur. The Spirit is the earnest, the down payment of God.