Has anyone had any luck going into stores wearing a "breathable mask?"

[MyrtleTrees]

Wearing masks is to protect others from you, not protect yourself from others.

Why do you think, before this covid-19 episode, in countries like Japan, people often wear the same masks when they may have the flu?

I see no evidence that the masks help with that, myself. Also, no one in Bible times used masks for disease or sickness. Yet the Bible tells of strict cleanliness habits the Israelite priests used in Old Testament times. Using simple water.

I hadn't heard of Japan's method before. But I feel God's way is to not wear masks. There are germs everywhere. Think of the door handles all buildings have and how many people constantly touch them?

 

[posthuman]

Also, no one in Bible times used masks for disease or sickness. Yet the Bible tells of strict cleanliness habits the Israelite priests used in Old Testament times. Using simple water.

you use vinegar tho no one 'in Bible times' cleaned with it -- but you are justifying disobeying laws about masks because 'no one in Bible times' wore them for cleanliness.

doesn't that seem incongruous?

 

[posthuman]

i find it often inconvenient to wear shoes.

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[Moses_Young]

"A gimp mask"

Are you calling him a gimp...
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He doesn't like that... LoL
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U knew Hannibal Lecture, don't you know who this famous horror villain is???
I'll give u a clue... He made more films than Hannibal did... By far

Ha, ha. I actually had to look Hannibal Lecter up to confirm, but got overconfident when my guess proved right with that. Just presumed the other dude was the gimp out of Pump Fiction. Isn't he? They look the same to me. Lol.

 

[Moses_Young]

Wearing masks is to protect others from you, not protect yourself from others.

Why do you think, before this covid-19 episode, in countries like Japan, people often wear the same masks when they may have the flu?

Since when have we needed to protect others from ourselves? If others need to be protected, let the others who need protection and who believe in coronaviruses wear them. You'll quickly find the new corona-cult has few true disciples.

Of the 20 odd mask studies conducted over the past 20 years, not one of them have found masks are useful in preventing viruses. However, a number of studies determined that masks were detrimental to the health of the wearer (other studies did not consider such effects). So if you think God wants Christians to make themselves sick by participating in the mask-wearing initiation ritual of a new cult that most no-one believes in, then I guess wearing a mask is the thing to do. For everyone else, not so.

 

[posthuman]

We give no offense in anything, that our ministry may not be blamed.
(2 Corinthians 6:3)

Nevertheless, lest we offend them, go to the sea, cast in a hook, and take the fish that comes up first.
(Matthew 17:27)

Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to stumble
(1 Corinthians 8:13)

Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the church of God
(1 Corinthians 10:32)
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doncha think this is more relevant to the present discussion than 'we must obey God rather than men' ?
has God commanded, thou shalt not sneeze into thine elbow, but into thy neighbors face - therefore cover not thine nose?

 

[posthuman]

Of the 20 odd mask studies conducted over the past 20 years, not one of them have found masks are useful in preventing viruses. However, a number of studies determined that masks were detrimental to the health of the wearer (other studies did not consider such effects).

can you show me these studies?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29140516/

this meta-analysis of 1,327 studies, performed in 2017, showed that the existing evidence supports masks & respirators having a positive effect in limiting the spread of respiratory illness.

 

[Moses_Young]

can you show me these studies?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29140516/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32590322/

"Exercise with facemask; Are we handling a devil's sword?" - A physiological hypothesis

"Straying away from a sedentary lifestyle is essential, especially in these troubled times of a global pandemic to reverse the ill effects associated with the health risks as mentioned earlier. In the view of anticipated effects on immune system and prevention against influenza and Covid-19, globally moderate to vigorous exercises are advocated wearing protective equipment such as facemasks. Though WHO supports facemasks only for Covid-19 patients, healthy "social exercisers" too exercise strenuously with customized facemasks or N95 which hypothesized to pose more significant health risks and tax various physiological systems especially pulmonary, circulatory and immune systems. Exercising with facemasks may reduce available Oxygen and increase air trapping preventing substantial carbon dioxide exchange. The hypercapnic hypoxia may potentially increase acidic environment, cardiac overload, anaerobic metabolism and renal overload, which may substantially aggravate the underlying pathology of established chronic diseases. Further contrary to the earlier thought, no evidence exists to claim the facemasks during exercise offer additional protection from the droplet transfer of the virus. Hence, we recommend social distancing is better than facemasks during exercise and optimal utilization rather than exploitation of facemasks during exercise.

On the Youtube page of the video below are linked 5 studies on the adverse effects of masks (including the above extract), and another 15 - 20 on the ineffectual nature of masks. The lack of science behind mask wearing is there, and science/good government demands there should be positive proof of the usefulness of masks before being recommended, let alone mandated.

 

[posthuman]

Of the 20 odd mask studies conducted over the past 20 years

 

[Moses_Young]

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We give no offense in anything, that our ministry may not be blamed. ​

(2 Corinthians 6:3)​

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Nevertheless, lest we offend them, go to the sea, cast in a hook, and take the fish that comes up first.​

(Matthew 17:27)​

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Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to stumble​

(1 Corinthians 8:13)​

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Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the church of God ​

(1 Corinthians 10:32)​

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doncha think this is more relevant to the present discussion than 'we must obey God rather than men' ?
has God commanded, thou shalt not sneeze into thine elbow, but into thy neighbors face - therefore cover not thine nose?

I consider wearing masks to be akin to eating meat sacrificed to idols. It is for the other man's conscience we should not wear them. The mask wearing is initiation into a false religion of the world government, which make-believes a coronavirus is out there (denying the Creator), and that our lives on this Earth are somehow more sacred than the free-will our Creator has granted us. With meat sacrificed to idols, we should refrain from eating - not for our sakes, but for sake of the other man.

 

[posthuman]

Exercising with facemasks may reduce available Oxygen and increase air trapping preventing substantial carbon dioxide exchange.

thanks -- interesting.

this paper only concerned itself with STRENUOUS EXERCISE while wearing a restrictive mask, and the authors used used no evidence to support their conclusions; it was concerned only with purely hypothetical situations:

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this doesn't show wearing a mask during everyday activities is potentially harmful -- while the paper i linked earlier showed that all available evidence as of 2017 shows that it is beneficial in mitigating the spread of respiratory illness.

what your article showed was that that a person running a marathon or playing soccer while restricting their breathing would theoretically suffer harmful effects.
the paper was written in response to the suggestion that people should wear masks at the gym, while playing sports, etc

 

[posthuman]

which make-believes a coronavirus is out there (denying the Creator)

you think viruses don't exist?
that believing in the existence of disease and infection is equal to denying the Creator?

 

[Absolutely]

why do surgeons wear them when they operate if they do nothing?

They have a purpose when their face is 5 inches from a chest cut wide open.

Show me a surgeon with those silly ones from china(those placebos with non sealing edges.... rolleyes) or the bandanas I see guys wearing.

If you think "sterile " is plausable then you may have a point.
My point is....yes if a sick person is sneezing and coughing in your face or next to you...get him a mask.
Maybe,just maybe,it is actually doing something.

But hit the keypad at the register that naturally has covid all over it,then adjust your mask.....ok you just put covid all over that silly thing on your face.

 

[Moses_Young]

you think viruses don't exist?

Not as you know them.

that believing in the existence of disease and infection is equal to denying the Creator?

In the same way as believing in evolution denies the truth, yes. Perhaps not wilfully or maliciously, but every lie is evil and is used for evil purposes.

 

[Absolutely]

I consider wearing masks to be akin to eating meat sacrificed to idols. It is for the other man's conscience we should not wear them. The mask wearing is initiation into a false religion of the world government, which make-believes a coronavirus is out there (denying the Creator), and that our lives on this Earth are somehow more sacred than the free-will our Creator has granted us. With meat sacrificed to idols, we should refrain from eating - not for our sakes, but for sake of the other man.

How can we be so duped to comply with a mask?
North Korea-ish nonsense.
Gloves would do more.

That is next

A bubble existence of weird stupid contraptions hanging off of you, and where anything that kills viruses labels you as a nut job

 

[Absolutely]

Just kill the stupid virus and go on.

All this "pandemic" false stupidity has gone on long enough.

Get free people.
Learn to kill it

Put those items in the fridge
And go about life.

You guys are being so duped.
So,so duped

 

[Godsgirl83]

i find it often inconvenient to wear shoes.

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tis really the only thing I dislike about winter.....
the fact that I have to wear closed toe, tight, constricting shoes in order to go out.
Oh and scarves. Even though they keep my neck warm and toasty, it's to much bulk around my neck... drives me nuts.
Oh well, maybe this year as the weather gets colder I can get away with a nice thick scarf around my mouth and nose in stead of a traditional mask?

 

[EleventhHour]

What you believe is true? There are sincere people that are being deceived. People have tendency to believe the experts. And these experts and scientists most do not believe in God. The science is false of the world, it is corrupted and sincerely christian doctors and nurses are deceived. While you get doctors that speaks out against the lie. God's truth will always truimphant even if there is just a small minority that upholds God's law of life. The reason many cannot see its lie because of their ignorance when it comes to the law of life that governs the whole universe. But the world will soon enough be lighten by the pure gospel.

Do you know what science and math?

 

[EleventhHour]

There are things which are so fundamental that you won't find it in literature and textbooks, and why people cannot find is because we don't to go to the root of the problem. And in medicine, it is common that physicians only treat the symptoms of the disease. The solution is for us to treat the cause of the problem. And when you are not going to treat the cause/root, you will always do a half way job. The question, we need to ask ourselves: Where does disease come from? You find physicians look for disease to the body only. They forget that human is made up of spirit and chemistry(earth). And the two together makes a living soul. It could be said, 90 percent of all disease is result of spiritual root. The fundamental law has two aspects: Nothing exist and functions by itself and nothing can do anything for itself. This was the law which governed the universe before satan become discontent with being a created being. Adam and Eve trusted the words of satan and they mistrusted God's word. Now we inherited the error in our heart/subconsciousness. The error leads us to think: I am dependent on the acts and the existence of others to be loved. Something fundamentally changed in our spirit(heart) and we cannot change our nature after the fall. We have this idea that we are gods, and we can created and that we have property. As a created being, we cannot created nor have property. We are stewards of God’s possession. And thus, we think we are gods. This is not an conscious thought that we are aware of and we cannot even see we have this error. But God in His love and mercy brings crisis and conflicts in our relationships that our spiritual eyes could be enlighten, in order that we may destroy the error in our heart and our body will be healthy again. The cause for disease is conflicts, war, force on others, discontentment, depression will lead to disease like cancer, diabetes, inflammation, etc. If we could change our identity to being a created being with the right identity all of the world's problems will be solved.

It could be said, 90 percent of all disease is result of spiritual root.

This is pure conjecture

This does not answer what I asked about the nature of viruses.

 

[EleventhHour]

I see no truth to the claim that wearing masks prevents Covid or any other kind of virus or flu. Others see it as I do. Including John MacArthur - the famous conservative pastor I listen to often in evenings. He says Coronovirus is very rare compared to other viruses and flu that goes around. And also that Covid has extremely small death figures. He's looked at the proof at it in government papers.

Is he a scientist?