Difference between Shavuot and Pentecost

[Blik]

The feast of Shavuot celebrates the giving of the law on Mt. Sinai. On the day of this celebration years and years later, after Christ, the Holy Spirit was given to all who had accepted Christ as their Savior.

The Lord must mean there is a connection between the two. What do you think that connection is?

I think it relates to the new covenant telling us that now the Lord will communicate with us through the Spirit. Before God communicated through rules, and rules don’t always work. Christ pointed this out when Christ told us of the Good Samaritan. The Levite was obeying the law of the Sabbath when he passed by the injured man, but the Good Samaritan obeyed the spirit of the law when he helped that man.

We are given the law in our hearts to obey the spirit of the law.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

They are the same.....Pentecost is the Greek form of the Hebrew Shavout

Feast of the Harvest

 

[Blik]

They are the same.....Pentecost is the Greek form of the Hebrew Shavout

Feast of the Harvest

Do you deny that the law is given in two different ways? The law by rules set in stone, and the law given in our hearts?

 

[soggykitten]

Shavuot translates as weeks. While the etymology behind Pentecost is pentekostos and which translates as, fiftieth. This then transfers to pentekoste(50th) hēmera(day) , or to say, fiftieth day. And the fiftieth (50th) day falls as the fiftieth day after Passover. That day is also known as the Feast of Weeks. Which is another name for Shavuot.
Fascinating in my view because Pentecost as we know was the day of God's giving of the Holy Spirit to the Apostles .

 

[Blik]

Shavuot translates as weeks. While the etymology behind Pentecost is pentekostos and which translates as, fiftieth. This then transfers to pentekoste(50th) hēmera(day) , or to say, fiftieth day. And the fiftieth (50th) day falls as the fiftieth day after Passover. That day is also known as the Feast of Weeks. Which is another name for Shavuot.
Fascinating in my view because Pentecost as we know was the day of God's giving of the Holy Spirit to the Apostles .

God must have meant for us to connect the two: Shavuot and Pentecost for it is on the same day. What do you think is the connection in God's eyes?

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Do you deny that the law is given in two different ways? The law by rules set in stone, and the law given in our hearts?

The topic is the difference between Shavout and Pentecost. I gave you the correct answer. Pentecost is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Shavout.

However you want to believe the Law is given, .....the Law was fulfilled with the shedding of the blood of Christ.
…”the law is not made for a righteous man but for those who are lawless and rebellious 1 Tim 1:9

For as many as are under the works of the Law are under a curse Gal 3: 10

By the works of the Law, no flesh shall be justified Gal 2: 16

You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law, you have fallen from grace.

The Law is the ministry of death,….the ministry of condemnation 2 Cor 3: 7-9

We are not under law but under grace Rom 6:15

Being obedient from the heart Rom 6:17

Romans 10:3-5 For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believes. Romans 10: 3-4

 

[Corban]

Do you deny that the law is given in two different ways? The law by rules set in stone, and the law given in our hearts?

I deny it. The Law was set in stone FOR ISRAEL. The Law will be set in THEIR (Israel's - Jer.31:31-33) hearts - not OUR (the New Man) hearts. For those IN Christ the Law is nailed to the cross AND ABOLISHED!

Ephesians 2:14-15;
14 "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace."

• For the Israelite, the Law is still valid with its full power
• For the Christian, the Law would have been a "partition" to cause "enmity" between ex-Jew and ex-Gentile (for they are a NEW CREATURE and ethnicity is dissolved - 2nd Cor.5:17; Gal.3:28; Col.3:11). It has been abolished.

 

[Blik]

I don't believe that I should take these ideas as the authority of the Lord. The Holy Spirit is the authority.

The idea that when the Lord tells us he fulfilled, I do not believe the the Lord is telling us that now something is done and over with, of no use any more. I think the Lord is telling us that it is now full and complete, ready to be useful.

I also don not believe that when the Lord created Israel to show us all the the Lord is that the Lord meant for Israel to be for Israel alone, so anything the Lord told of Himself to Israel, we are not to listen to. In fact it is just the opposite. Israel shows us the way. Even that the Jews are sure Christ is not the Messiah, we are told, is for our sales. Romans 11:28.

 

[pottersclay]

What we refer to as feast and celebration is actually a lose term....the real definition is "appointed time".

All pointing to the Messiah all 7 feast are actually appointed times.
Jesus had fulfilled 4 of the appointed times there are 3 remaining.
When you study eschatology it would be in your best interest to study the appointed times. It creates a outline of events and what is truly happening.

I love it when God does these things .....ya just can't make them up.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

The entire chapter of Romans 11 is about God's continuing relationship with **Israel.
Neither Jew nor Gentile can be saved by any other means than faith in the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Law is out tutor to lead us to Christ, in that we realize we cannot keep 613 Laws. We can't even keep the 10 because Jesus told us that if we even THINK a sin we are guilty of it.

** Jews and Gentiles grafted together in faith are the church and the church in the new covenant is ISRAEL.

Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ jesus, and if you belong to Christ, then you are ABRAHAM's offspring, heirs according to the promise.

Galtians 4:28 and you brethren, like Isaac, are children of the promise

Romans 9: 6-9 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel
7 neither, because they are Abraham’s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed.
9 For this is a word of promise,

 

[Blik]

What we refer to as feast and celebration is actually a lose term....the real definition is "appointed time".

All pointing to the Messiah all 7 feast are actually appointed times.
Jesus had fulfilled 4 of the appointed times there are 3 remaining.
When you study eschatology it would be in your best interest to study the appointed times. It creates a outline of events and what is truly happening.

I love it when God does these things .....ya just can't make them up.

Again, you are misusing the word "fulfilled". You seem to think it means over and out, but that is not what the word means. If you fulfill the gas tank in your car, giving it the gas it needs does it mean that now you can't use it any more? When Christ came he fulfilled all that was said for him, for example, and even the saints who were preserved in sleep not came alive. Fulfilled means it is now complete ready to be used.

 

[Blik]

The entire chapter of Romans 11 is about God's continuing relationship with **Israel.
Neither Jew nor Gentile can be saved by any other means than faith in the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Law is out tutor to lead us to Christ, in that we realize we cannot keep 613 Laws. We can't even keep the 10 because Jesus told us that if we even THINK a sin we are guilty of it.

** Jews and Gentiles grafted together in faith are the church and the church in the new covenant is ISRAEL.

Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ jesus, and if you belong to Christ, then you are ABRAHAM's offspring, heirs according to the promise.

Galtians 4:28 and you brethren, like Isaac, are children of the promise

Romans 9: 6-9 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel
7 neither, because they are Abraham’s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed.
9 For this is a word of promise,

The law is much much more than our tutor. It is all the things said of it in the 119th psalm, the longest psalm. It is the way the Lord communicates with us and guides us. The word law is usually transcribing the word Torah, and that word takes a long explanation.

As you are pointing out, we are Israel, Abraham's, when we accept the Lord. When we have faith in Christ and His salvation, we also have faith in what He tells us and the Lord gives us the law. We accept that it is right and holy. We accept that through Christ we take on His righteousness.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

The law is much much more than our tutor. It is all the things said of it in the 119th psalm, the longest psalm. It is the way the Lord communicates with us and guides us. The word law is usually transcribing the word Torah, and that word takes a long explanation.

As you are pointing out, we are Israel, Abraham's, when we accept the Lord. When we have faith in Christ and His salvation, we also have faith in what He tells us and the Lord gives us the law. We accept that it is right and holy. We accept that through Christ we take on His righteousness.

Live by the Law you will die by the Law.

James 2:10. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is become guilty of all.

For as many as are under the works of the Law are under a curse Gal 3: 10

By the works of the Law, no flesh shall be justified Gal 2: 16

You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law, you have fallen from grace. Gal 5:4

The Law is the ministry of death,….the ministry of condemnation 2 Cor 3: 7-9

 

[pottersclay]

Again, you are misusing the word "fulfilled". You seem to think it means over and out, but that is not what the word means. If you fulfill the gas tank in your car, giving it the gas it needs does it mean that now you can't use it any more? When Christ came he fulfilled all that was said for him, for example, and even the saints who were preserved in sleep not came alive. Fulfilled means it is now complete ready to be used.

Correction Jesus has fulfilled 4 of the 7 appointed times he will fulfill the other 3.

 

[soggykitten]

God must have meant for us to connect the two: Shavuot and Pentecost for it is on the same day. What do you think is the connection in God's eyes?

Probably what was spoken in the scripture, we are all one in Christ Jesus. No Jew, no Gentile, no male, no female.
All one.

 

[Blik]

Live by the Law you will die by the Law.

James 2:10. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is become guilty of all.

For as many as are under the works of the Law are under a curse Gal 3: 10

By the works of the Law, no flesh shall be justified Gal 2: 16

You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law, you have fallen from grace. Gal 5:4

The Law is the ministry of death,….the ministry of condemnation 2 Cor 3: 7-9

Are you actually saying that by accepting Christ's grace to be forgiven of disobeying the law that we should now not live by the law? You say "live by the law and you will die by the law".

Christ says we are under grace, Paul states we are under grace not law. We are forgiven. But to use that to not follow Christ is to not have faith in Christ.

You state the law is the ministry of death. It is repeating that sin kills, and truth. There are many, many other truths about the law, including that it is holy. The law points to sin, and it is sin that is death, the righteousness we have in Christ is NOT death. It is life. Why wallow in sin by ignoring law if you are made holy through Christ?

 

[Blik]

Probably what was spoken in the scripture, we are all one in Christ Jesus. No Jew, no Gentile, no male, no female.
All one.

Being one in Christ is truth, but that truth does not answer the question of the difference between Shavuot and Pentecost. I think that difference is in the way the same thing is given and there are many posts objecting to that. I think it is important that we know that the same law is given in two different ways. There are many posts objecting to that, but each post avoids the main issue. Some even objecting to God's law in the first place, and that is simply an objection to the feast in the first place. Yet it was God who suggested the feast.

 

[soggykitten]

Being one in Christ is truth, but that truth does not answer the question of the difference between Shavuot and Pentecost. I think that difference is in the way the same thing is given and there are many posts objecting to that. I think it is important that we know that the same law is given in two different ways. There are many posts objecting to that, but each post avoids the main issue. Some even objecting to God's law in the first place, and that is simply an objection to the feast in the first place. Yet it was God who suggested the feast.

Fair point.
However, we as the individual Christian are not responsible for the minds of others in Christ. We are responsible for our knowledge afforded through the truth that God's word imparts to us. For those who pick and choose what they hold faithfully as God did mean to say, or didn't mean to apply to them, is their cross to bear and answer for at the judgment.
We can't change the errant minds of a flock when God in his own words is unable to.
"I never knew you...." Jesus.